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HOW MANY HOURS HAVE YOU BILLED THUS FAR? WHAT'S YOUR BONUS LOOKING LIKE?
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Date: December 8th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37373095) |
Date: December 8th, 2018 4:08 PM Author: glassy outnumbered psychic legend Around 1800 looking at bonus for my market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37373101) |
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Date: December 8th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin How annoying is to bill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37373121) |
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Date: December 8th, 2018 4:15 PM Author: glassy outnumbered psychic legend Surprisingly easy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37373126) |
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Date: December 20th, 2018 9:28 AM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37438772) |
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Date: December 25th, 2018 5:10 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37468856) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 7:22 PM Author: high-end exciting roommate Did like 1200. Got 80% of Cravath scale.
My firm is weird. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 7:22 PM Author: geriatric useless brakes senate Woah cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37391807) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:26 PM Author: bateful knife dysfunction amazing - would kill for this. what practice area? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408014) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Aromatic insecure giraffe sanctuary He’s gonna be fired next year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420857) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: razzmatazz mad cow disease even better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421754) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 7:04 PM Author: Sapphire philosopher-king laser beams (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429503) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 4:59 PM Author: high-end exciting roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37422803) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 7:24 PM Author: Razzle coiffed mexican step-uncle's house ended up with just a hair under 2000. Low for me. Will end up making less than last year, but also worked quite a bit less so I can deal with it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37391815) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 7:25 PM Author: concupiscible indian lodge legal warrant how many actual hours spent at the office per day is this on average? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37391821) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 7:50 PM Author: Razzle coiffed mexican step-uncle's house i do half of my work from home. hours in the office are pretty light. billing efficiency is very high. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37392037) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 9:07 AM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420448) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 5:54 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403494) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 5:56 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib I'm at like 1930 or so through today and will end up over 2000 for the year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403507) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 5:56 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Nice... are you expecting a decent bonus? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403508) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 5:57 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib yeah, above average for my firm/class year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403513) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:17 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Nice. Can you give a range of the bonus? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403639) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:17 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib $25k but i'm in ARE Country (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403643) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:10 PM Author: fighting pozpig I don’t bill and I go home at 5:30. Livin the in house dream. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403605) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:11 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib Then why are you poasting in here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403606) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:16 PM Author: heady brunch depressive its nutella. are you new here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403635) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:17 PM Author: fighting pozpig You must be new here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403642) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 11:38 AM Author: Hateful hairraiser business firm (new here guy) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37407085) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Aromatic insecure giraffe sanctuary Nutella is not new here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420852) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: iridescent 180 ticket booth First day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421186) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:17 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Nice. Decent pay? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403641) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 10:18 AM Author: fighting pozpig You must be new here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37406744) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:27 PM Author: bateful knife dysfunction eat shit nutella (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408025) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 11:42 AM Author: red fragrant masturbator (Not new here) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420922) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: Aromatic insecure giraffe sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421791) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 7:03 AM Author: Sinister Crusty House (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37425926) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:37 PM Author: Umber big persian mad-dog skullcap fuck you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423711) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: curious prole 0. Decent bonus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403624) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 8:55 AM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37406545) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: bespoke marvelous crotch brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37403627) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 9:07 AM Author: boyish locus people who are hurt Wil finish up around 1700. Up for breakfast this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37406574) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 9:09 AM Author: Impressive space shitlib Mid law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37406577) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 9:21 AM Author: boyish locus people who are hurt You could call it that or you could call it a boutique (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37406605) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:26 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib nice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408019) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 9:12 AM Author: adventurous selfie affirmative action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37406583) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 9:22 AM Author: boyish locus people who are hurt Sorry man that would violate the wall of separation I try to keep between this board and real life. There are are a lot of psychopaths on here and I don’t want to give out certain IRL info (like my firm) to anyone on the board. Hope you understand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37406609) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: adventurous selfie affirmative action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37407076) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37407993) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:09 PM Author: Tantric chad Heh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37422228) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: thriller yapping hairy legs 2200. $65k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408001) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Jesus...don't you feel like you are at a sweatshop? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408074) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 11:21 AM Author: Aromatic insecure giraffe sanctuary If a mid-level that’s pretty solid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420827) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:55 PM Author: thriller yapping hairy legs Not really. Work like 8:30-6:30 most days, rarely weekends, do travel a fair amount doing shitigation. Also tried 2 2 week trials so that was a lot of hours. Bonus based on collections so more I work the more I make (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423816) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: bateful knife dysfunction 2650 $90k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408050) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Do you basically live at the office? What are your hours like (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408076) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: bateful knife dysfunction this year has really sucked but i work from home a lot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408111) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 3:38 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Why has life sucked, shitlib? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408435) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 3:41 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib in what world would billing 2650 hours NOT suck? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408441) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin True....I mean, basically that firm is a sweatshop? What kind of hours would that involve on a typical daily basis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408444) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib If you divide 2650 by 51 weeks (not 52 in order to account major holidays, anytime you're out of the office at all, random slow day, etc.), that works out to about 52 billable hours per week. 52 hours is a pretty heavy week and that's EVERY FUCKING WEEK.
I bet this guy probably has plenty of 60-70 hours weeks with some 40 hour weeks thrown in. |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Damn. Do firms usually slash time that is not billable to the client? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408556) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib what do you mean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408605) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 4:30 PM Author: bateful knife dysfunction LOL dude how did you manage to make this political?
The answer to your question requires that you understand the term "value billing"
Anyways, even notwithstanding that this year has been incredibly demanding. I work all day, see my daughter for a couple hours, work until bedtime. I have actually done a pretty good job protecting my weekends (with some notable exceptions).
My agreed realization rate is >97%, though various clients receive rate discounts. But even that is going away. business is just insane right now in my field.
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Date: December 17th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: Impressive space shitlib You should find a new job. 2600 hours at 90k is firmly in killself territory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420520) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: bateful knife dysfunction this is correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420767) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:57 PM Author: infuriating dark jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429476) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Do you ever feel guilty for not spending enough quality time with your daughter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420623) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 11:05 AM Author: bateful knife dysfunction yes. I actually do mornings with her, meaning I get her out of bed, get her breakfast, and take her to daycare, while my wife does evenings. I cherish that time but it is never enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420765) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:11 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Makes sense. Do you find the work you do in law fulfilling or unfulfilling? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421409) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: bateful knife dysfunction very fulfilling actually. I desperately need one or two associates I can monopolize so I can invest in training and lighten the load. leverage will be the solution here. i just hope I figure it out soon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37422276) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Do you find lit bros fulfilled? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37422309) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: bateful knife dysfunction some yes, some no. my firm has a large "investigations" practices, which seems pretty relationship oriented and fun. we have a small but hardcore appellate practice; those dudes are nerds but they get their rocks off. IP lit seems hellishly busy, technical and acrimonious. the general commercial lit guys always seem slow and like they are hustling for work, but I kind of envy them because they just sit around most of the time but still pull down an amount of money that would make your grandmother nauseous (even if much lower than busier practices). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37422461) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:40 PM Author: bespoke marvelous crotch brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423733) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 9:55 AM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin What are some things about litigation that people who leave lit practice tell u? Is it the work? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37426376) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: bateful knife dysfunction i would much rather be a semi-professional fly fishing, xbox playing, stay-at-home dad, but what can you do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420773) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 12:36 PM Author: iridescent 180 ticket booth And that isn't how you should calculate it.
Assume 150 non-billable bullshit hours for shit like marketing, CLEs, writing articles, inputting time, reviewing bills, etc. (2800 total) Now assume he also takes 3 weeks vacation (and lets one week burn) and we're at 48 weeks. That comes out to almost 60/week. This doesn't account for a slow day/week. IRL that means that some weeks will be "slow" (40 hours a week or less) which will be balanced by "hard" weeks (80 hours or more).
IOW, this is horrible. |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:13 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib Thank you for opining on something you have literally no fucking clue about.
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin What's wrong with what he said (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421468) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib First of all, I would strongly doubt that anyone billing 2650 hours is taking three weeks vacation. And if they are "on vacation" they are working the entire time. The mere suggestion of this by TMF is laughable and demonstrates his complete lack of understanding of how private practice works.
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:58 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin At what number of hours does work-life balance become non existent? 1800? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421703) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:02 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib Well, it depends. If you're a mom with 3 kids and wanna be a supermom, then maybe its 1800 or even lower. If you're a single bro and don't really have much else going then maybe its 2200 or 2400. It really depends on what you value and how much time you need outside of work to feel happy/fulfilled. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421729) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:03 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Makes sense. How fulfilling is litigation work in your experience? Is it annoying after a while? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421737) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:03 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib I'm not in lit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421742) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin I See. What are some tips for landing in house counsel from a mid level lit position? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421752) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib save yourself some time and send your resume directly to a shredder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421757) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:06 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin lol come on why you say that? You have to be in reg/compliance to go in house? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421771) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: Sexy cuckoldry piazza Lol at thinking someone billing 2800 hours is sitting idle for a month (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421597) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:47 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421610) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: bateful knife dysfunction i completely ceased all non-billable functions this year. I took two weeks of vacation and billed a total of 50 hours across the two weeks. I did not have a single slow week the entire year. HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37422311) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: fighting pozpig My condolences (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408142) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 4:26 PM Author: bateful knife dysfunction thank nutella - sorry for telling you to eat shit earlier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408678) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 3:43 PM Author: Amethyst forum sneaky criminal 1600 and probably 70-85k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408446) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin The billable hour model58 takes a toll on all attorneys, but it is particularly onerous for female attorneys59 because of the likelihood that women will experience irreconcilable conflicts between billing minimums and family responsibilities.60 Forty years ago, partners in law firms averaged 1200 to 1400 billable hours per year while associates averaged 1400 to 1600 hours.61 The number rose to 1800 in the 1980s,62 and in the 1990s, the figure was over 2000.63 The current figure of 2200 billable hours per year for associates amounts to working twelve hours a day, five days a week, plus seven hours on Saturdays twice per month, with a total of three weeks of vacation per year.64 Due to the drastic rise in the dependency *434 on the billable hour model, the ABA created a Commission on Billable Hours and conducted a survey in 2002.65 The study discussed the connection between the system of billable hours and the diminished mental and physical health of attorneys, their problematic personal and professional relationships, and the effect of billable hours on attorney attrition.66 The survey found that an increasing number of attorneys indicate a preference for a pay cut to gain some control over their qualities of life rather than continuing to be bound to the billable hour.67 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408551) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 4:11 PM Author: fluffy cerebral stead 2250; will hit 2400 by year end. $100k bonus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37408574) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 9:48 AM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin nice. what is your typical work day schedule like? Like what time are u getting into office and what time r u leavig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420536) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:22 PM Author: fluffy cerebral stead I don't appreciate you just asking dumb generic questions to get your hit count up. So I'll answer this question and only this question. I generally get in by 9:00 AM and leave at 6:30 sharp. I log back online at 8:30 or 9:00 and do a couple hours in the evening. I try not to bill more than 2 hours any weekend day, but don't always succeed. I also had a very intense case this year where I billed 315 and 290 hours back to back, so that has allowed me to work more humane hours later in the year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37422364) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:21 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Nice. Do you ever feel guilty if you don't spend time with kids given those hours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423578) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 9:50 AM Author: sepia hissy fit 0. Not sure. 30-40k is the rumor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420543) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 11:43 AM Author: snowy meetinghouse puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420926) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 9:54 AM Author: Slap-happy Odious Heaven I dont have to bill. Bonus should be in the low to mid six figure range. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420551) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: Vermilion headpube 2300 (but a pretty chill 2300– basically just litigating two cases with the clock running nonstop and client rubberstamping bills), 65k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420774) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 11:07 AM Author: Impressive space shitlib 158 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37420776) |
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Date: December 19th, 2018 8:52 AM Author: Umber big persian mad-dog skullcap sounds pretty cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37432112) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 11:21 AM Author: Aromatic insecure giraffe sanctuary In-house, 8-6, worked one or two weekends.
$85k cash, $60k long-term vesting over four years. |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: fighting pozpig Bonus was in $450-$500k range. 2019 is prob going to be a down year though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421179) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 12:36 PM Author: Sexy cuckoldry piazza You had a $500k bonus? What do you do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421217) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 12:44 PM Author: fighting pozpig In houzzzzz lawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421267) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 12:56 PM Author: Sexy cuckoldry piazza Are you the GC of a F50 company? What is your base? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421327) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:07 PM Author: fighting pozpig No a GC of a F50 company should be making like $5m.
Base is ~200k. |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:12 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin nice flame shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421414) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: fighting pozpig I often feel like my entire career is flame given what I actually do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421598) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: Aromatic insecure giraffe sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421796) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 3:04 PM Author: snowy meetinghouse puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37422128) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 8:15 AM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Why, brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37426081) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 9:49 AM Author: fighting pozpig Because if you saw what I did day to day, you’d think there’s no way I get paid this much.
Also the circumstances of how I go this job (applied to random job listing) are pretty absurd. |
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Date: January 1st, 2019 5:32 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37508612) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:13 PM Author: Spectacular Rambunctious Menage 2550. Not sure yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421421) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:20 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin What are your typical hours in a day? How would you describe your schedule? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421445) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: Spectacular Rambunctious Menage 6 days a week I am in the office from 8-7 and I log in for an hour or so most evenings. I've worked about a dozen Sundays this year, too. I'm over it. Looking to cop that Gov jerb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421452) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Makes sense. Can you elaborate a little why you are "over it"? Just sick of litigation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421463) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: Spectacular Rambunctious Menage Sick of the travel and demanding clients that require me to be constantly available. Actually like the adversarial stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421472) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Makes sense...Would u consider going in house? Any draw backs in your mind from going in house as opposed to biggov? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421476) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:28 PM Author: Spectacular Rambunctious Menage Nah...want the autonomy, to wear the white hat, and the no-fireability of gov. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421483) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:31 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin What kind of gigs specifically are u thinking? AUSA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421495) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: Spectacular Rambunctious Menage More like some more specialized gov jerbs in my area of lit focus -- think antitrust division or the like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421502) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin I see. What are the top three annoyances you have from working in the law field if you had pick three you would say? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421521) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:42 PM Author: Spectacular Rambunctious Menage Two main annoyances specific to private practice:
- Partners' incentives (billable hour, associate utilization, etc.) are to such that partners create boil-the-ocean projects that have some marginal value to the matter but would never be created if the incentives were better aligned. Encourages poor management and unnecessary time spent working.
- No respect for personal time. Assumption is that you're in a client-servicing business and time on the clock is better than time off the clock. Busy working weekends are a virtue, not a sign of a failed life.
Should also mention my favorite thing: Getting to work with some super smart people. It would take a long time to get used to working with dumbs.
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Interesting....is it generally the case that upward mobility (partnership track) is harder these in law firms? Also, would you say high billables is the reason for high attrition rates at most law firms? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421676) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: Spectacular Rambunctious Menage I think I could make partner pretty easily if I were willing to keep doing this for a few more years.
And I think the two factors I mentioned are the driver for most associate attrition. |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Do you think hours will be reduced when someone becomes partner?> (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37422065) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:43 PM Author: bespoke marvelous crotch brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423751) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:57 AM Author: Impressive space shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37425919) |
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Date: December 19th, 2018 3:21 PM Author: Umber big persian mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37434578) |
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Date: December 20th, 2018 9:33 AM Author: fluffy cerebral stead You should be billing more hours if you're in the office that much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37438818) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: Jade diverse clown voyeur I don’t bill and I work from home, signing off at 4:30. Expect a $25K bonus, for total cash comp of $170K. U MAD LAWFAGS?
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Date: December 17th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Jelly! What do you do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421473) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: Jade diverse clown voyeur "risk management" at megacorp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421835) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 8:19 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Nice brother. What did you hate about litigation back in the day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423972) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 7:23 PM Author: Jade diverse clown voyeur I’m not a lawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429585) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: Aromatic insecure giraffe sanctuary Paralegal at a plaintiffs mill, I go home at 5 and my boss gave us a $100 Chili’s gift card. Gonna go crazy on the apps and margaritas tonight and get railed by Chad while my brother orders seamless on the 43rd floor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421804) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: Vibrant Parlor 1800 midlaw -- 25K (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37421875) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 6:05 PM Author: Razzle coiffed mexican step-uncle's house making just under $500K this year. Made just under $550 last year. Billed 230 fewer hours and dealt with surgery and other issues this year so cant complain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423179) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:02 PM Author: fighting pozpig Extra $50k is not worth billing 230 more hours! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423453) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:23 PM Author: Razzle coiffed mexican step-uncle's house it's definitely not, which is why I am not complaining. I need to get some origination going so I can start making money for nothing.
I may have worked less than you, not counting shitting out kids. My hours are noon to 6 basically. |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:28 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin What are some aspects of the practice of law that you are over with or cant stand? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423635) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:41 PM Author: Razzle coiffed mexican step-uncle's house having to twist a client's arm to collect a $25,000 fee by year end when the client closed a $50,000,000 transaction with my work.
Getting squeezed on budgets and billing rates from bank clients who (rightly) view that work as commodity bullshit.
Chinese clients who lie to their lawyers.
I'm 100% fine with the legal work and the help I get from associates which is second nature now. |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:45 PM Author: Umber big persian mad-dog skullcap try collecting $25,000 from a recently divorced teacher. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423759) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 8:06 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin What about the billable hours? Hate it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423879) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 8:20 PM Author: adventurous selfie affirmative action What is it about the legal work you enjoy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423975) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 10:01 AM Author: Impressive space shitlib gotta slide that invoice on the settlement statement mang (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37426406) |
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Date: December 17th, 2018 8:11 PM Author: fighting pozpig Haha, yes, I spend more time at the office but you work a lot more than me :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37423896) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 11:42 AM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin How do you like in house counsel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37426949) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 12:16 PM Author: fighting pozpig I love it but I have a unicorn in house job. Yesterday I went to lunch with a friend and went to the gym. Didn’t do much else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37427168) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 1:14 PM Author: adventurous selfie affirmative action You don’t feel useless? Like you’re career was a waste of time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37427484) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 1:56 PM Author: fighting pozpig In the grand scheme of things, everybody (unless you’re Einstein or in the legal world, a supreme court justice) is objectively useless and meaningless to the world. There is absolutely no difference btwn how useful I am drafting briefs for Bigpharma in biglaw versus what I now do day to day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37427763) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 1:57 PM Author: adventurous selfie affirmative action So why not just kill self then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37427767) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 1:58 PM Author: fighting pozpig I find meaning in my family and friends in an otherwise meaningless existence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37427773) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Deep...so basically you are saying we are all ultimately exchangeable/disposal product? What did you hate about litigation when u do it back in the day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37428042) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 3:18 PM Author: bespoke marvelous crotch brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37428262) |
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Date: December 19th, 2018 3:21 PM Author: Umber big persian mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37434582) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:06 PM Author: fighting pozpig It’s a little more complicated than that. To do legal work at a “high level,” it does require a certain level of intelligence. Vast majority of people do not possess logical reasoning skills or ability to analyze certain concepts or craft an argument in a coherent manner. But assuming you have that intelligence and, say, grads of t14 do, thousands of lawyers graduate every year who can do this work. That brief you’re writing or marking up that SPA can be done by thousands of equally intelligent people and you can easily replaced by somebody in a second. The sooner you realize that, the easier it’ll be for you to accept that the best thing you can get out of a legal career is some combination of good money and/or good lifestyle to do other things.
The thing I hated most about biglaw litigation specifically is that insane level of perfection given to absolute meaningless minutiae. I once got lectured by a partner for not knowing that exhibits attached to a brief filed in a specific fed court must be consecutively numbered from the main doc. Excuse me that I didn’t read all the local rules. He prob got lectured for it and is now repeating the cycle. Now I make mistakes all the time and it’s NBD because nobody is paying us $1000/hr to be perfect. |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:32 PM Author: curious prole The first paragraph is absolutely cr. Youngns need to accept this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429379) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:34 PM Author: infuriating dark jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429385) |
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Date: December 19th, 2018 8:30 AM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Good points thanks for this.
Can you also mention other annoyances you had about biglaw litigation practices in your experience that drove u away into in house? Also, what other lessons have u gained from your legal experience in the past that you think is worthwhile to share? I really appreciate it btw. |
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Date: December 19th, 2018 12:53 PM Author: fighting pozpig Billing is obviously the #1 downside to any type of firm work, not just biglaw. When you have a down week or month, you know they’re going to find out and you’re going to have to make up for it on other months to end around 2000/year. That means you have no way to hide how much you’re working. That was the main thing driving me in house. Now nobody has no idea how much I’m working and all it matters is I get my stuff done.
If I had known then what I know now, I’d advise any big lawyer whose goal is to leave after a number of years and go in house to get into niche practices that will land them high paying gigs. Such areas include asset management, hedge funds, tech trans, tax etc.
I’d also advise anybody going in house to eventually work for an in house dept that has fewer than 10 lawyers. That’s where all the money’s at. You go to a huge company with hundreds of lawyers, legal will always be a big cost center and you will never rise in the ranks in a meaningful way. Go small and become GC or deputy GC.
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Date: December 19th, 2018 9:14 PM Author: mentally impaired state cumskin Really good points thanks.
I always hear different stuff about work-life balance in biglaw versus in house counsel. How have you found work life balance as in house? Can you sort of give a breakdown of when u get into the office and when you leave typically as compared to your biglaw days? Thanks many! |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:09 PM Author: floppy blue point No bonus, bc I'm a partner, but looks like comp will hit $1.1 MM this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429287) |
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Date: December 19th, 2018 12:10 AM Author: infuriating dark jew what level firm you at? junior partner copping 1M+ seems unheard of. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37431130) |
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Date: December 25th, 2018 5:18 PM Author: floppy blue point A good one? Everything here is done on a formula and Ive been lucky enough to bring in a couple cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37468884) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:21 PM Author: infuriating dark jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429336) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:24 PM Author: floppy blue point What should that translate too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429347) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:30 PM Author: infuriating dark jew i don't know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429368) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:34 PM Author: floppy blue point Time to lateral, dude, if they fuck you. We do everything on a modifiable but mostly fixed formula. With 5 MM in originations you'd be looking at 2-3 MM here (and plenty of other places). My originations are just over 2 this year and I worked a good deal on a case that I didn't originate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429383) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:35 PM Author: infuriating dark jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429389) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:38 PM Author: floppy blue point There are firms that could take that on. Look around. Seriously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429403) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:43 PM Author: infuriating dark jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429420) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:46 PM Author: floppy blue point I'd keep looking. There are plenty of firms out there that rep NPEs, butthey probably aren't as prestigious as your current firm They also tend to be fairly eat what you kill too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429434) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:49 PM Author: infuriating dark jew
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:53 PM Author: floppy blue point I would assume the lit finance firms are familar with the legit troll firms (no offense), but I get it. Still if you don't make a million bucks or more this year, your full time job should be looking firm that will pay you more and be good enough to keep the lit-fi coming in. You owe it to XO, otherwise a bunch of boomers are just stealing from you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429458) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:57 PM Author: infuriating dark jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429474) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:57 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib that is complete and utter bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429477) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:59 PM Author: Razzle coiffed mexican step-uncle's house i should be content with $500K billing 2100 hours with no origination. You should not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429481) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 7:08 PM Author: floppy blue point Yeah, this is insane. If I had 5 MM in originations, I'd be retired in three years; sucking and fucking my way acrossed the world (and boy would my wife be mad about that *rimshot*). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429519) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 7:09 PM Author: infuriating dark jew peterman does this with $0 income. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429523) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 7:11 PM Author: floppy blue point I'd rather be the one doing the fucking and only a small percentage of the sucking though. It's a small but important distinction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429538) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 7:01 PM Author: floppy blue point Senior associates in biglaw who don't generate a dime are making that this year. You can do better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429491) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 7:13 PM Author: Umber big persian mad-dog skullcap not if it's work you are bringing in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429545) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:35 PM Author: Razzle coiffed mexican step-uncle's house lol with your numbers I would make $2 million at my firm this year. As a junior non-equity. Want to move? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429388) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:36 PM Author: infuriating dark jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429394) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:37 PM Author: Razzle coiffed mexican step-uncle's house we don't rep many tech companies.
are you a patent troll? |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:38 PM Author: infuriating dark jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429401) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:42 PM Author: infuriating dark jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429415) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:50 PM Author: Razzle coiffed mexican step-uncle's house i mean i can ask our IP lit department if you would consider it. I know we defend against patent trolls a few times a year but that is not a major part of our practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429450) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:53 PM Author: infuriating dark jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429457) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:56 PM Author: Razzle coiffed mexican step-uncle's house i'll ask anyway. Let us know how it goes. We are VERY kill what you eat and our management is more concerned with greed than conflicts sometimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429472) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:58 PM Author: infuriating dark jew thanks Earl - ur a good dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429480) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 7:11 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib earl can u hire me as your sex slave/prized associate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429536) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 7:20 PM Author: Razzle coiffed mexican step-uncle's house no doobs, no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429569) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 7:21 PM Author: Impressive space shitlib shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429577) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 11:35 PM Author: infuriating dark jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37430972) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 11:53 PM Author: Razzle coiffed mexican step-uncle's house 100 attorneys give or take over 3 offices. Maybe a bit more. IP itself is pretty smallish. But a bunch of crossover with regular litigators. |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:41 PM Author: floppy blue point Seriously, if I had his orginations, I'd murder people if I got less than 1.5. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429412) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:44 PM Author: bateful knife dysfunction you are the first person in this thread that has a worse life then me. thank you.
are you going to try to increase your originations to hours ratio in 2019? |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 6:45 PM Author: infuriating dark jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37429428) |
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Date: December 19th, 2018 1:57 PM Author: bateful knife dysfunction you got some senior associates or service partners you can lean on? you need to be out lunching man and just making appearances on conference calls to criticize other peoples' work, without actually knowing what's going on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4151995&forum_id=2#37433912) |