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Just finished re-watching "Survivor" Season 1. Amazingly different America.
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Date: December 10th, 2018 8:48 AM Author: Soul-stirring tank 1. They emphasize the fact that they are marooning sixteen "Americans". You no longer hear that descriptor in MSM unless it's political or pejorative.
2. 14/16 of the Americans are white. The remaining two are black. There are no hispanics, no Muslims, no asians, no jews, no one with even the remotest ties to that part of the world.
3. The blacks get absolutely no special treatment or story lines. Blacks having to integrate and live in white communities goes completely unaddressed; it is merely assumed. The black woman tries in vain to broach race in one of her confessionals, but the show producers do nothing with it. Ljl at what they would do now with race
4. Richard Hatch being gay functions only as a spring board for other tribe members to condemn homosexuality. The show crafts no defense of his sexuality -- and generally it gets ignored.
5. The conservatism of Rudy, the elderly Navy SEAL, does not get spun. He calls Richard a queer, rants about the only black man having children out of wedlock, and disapproves of the young girls acting like lesbians, but CBS does not telegraph that these views are not okay.
6. The show tried to entice Dr. Sean and Jenna to hook up, stranding them alone on a sand spit with a feast, four bottles of wine, candle light, and a romantic tent. Both contestants were too naive about media and celebrity to take the bait for fame and no sex happened. (Jenna would later release a sex vid in the wake of Paris Hilton).
7. No one talked about "politics" at all. Completely white apolitical
8. There was no talk of preserving the natural environment or honoring local culture. When the Pagong tribe was moved off their beach, it was left trashed.
9. Cartoonishly "primitive" imagery was used to convey foreign island life. African masks and face paint and beaded necklaces. Spears were chucked and people danced around fires chanting gibberish.
Mix in the baggy clothes and general comfort white people had with being in all-white environments, completely taking for granted their right to be there, and it feels like it happened a hundred years ago. |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:10 AM Author: mischievous embarrassed to the bone space newt Also, they condemned his "nakedness" which was subtext for condemning his general homosexual degeneracy and he willingly and ably played the "naked villain" character well. He was one of the first people who had a shrewd understanding of what "reality tv" is and how to exploit it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37381953) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 12:11 PM Author: Soul-stirring tank Cr. His gayness was certainly an aspect of his villainy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382758) |
Date: December 10th, 2018 8:58 AM Author: umber bawdyhouse kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37381710) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 9:05 AM Author: Hairless toaster kitchen XO Rudy is still alive at 90 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37381745) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 9:07 AM Author: exhilarant out-of-control police squad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37381753) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 9:23 AM Author: Passionate soggy roast beef Should I watch it brother or is it boring (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37381787) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 9:27 AM Author: Soul-stirring tank Never watched it? Do you know most of the spoilers?
For me its a 180 watch because of the nostalgia. That summer, 2000, it was on every Wednesday night and everyone I knew watched it religiously. The next morning, the losing castmember was on Howard Stern, Good Morning America... it was ubiquitous. In early internet days, people posted about it on boards and hacked CBS servers and stuff. It *was* pop culture. So it's a trip to watch it now.
It was great tv at the time.
I dont know if youd like it, watching it fresh after 18 years of imitation. Anyway, its on Amazon prime |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:05 AM Author: Passionate soggy roast beef I watched it live too so it would just be the nostalgia. I remember the week after the Gretchen vote people in a regular bar in MFH all watching it like it was the super bowl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37381918) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: offensive exciting stag film macaca everyone i knew watched it. It was must see tv, and helped legitimize les moonves at cbs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382037) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 12:18 PM Author: Passionate soggy roast beef Yeah interesting. I couldn't tell you what network does what today but back then nbs used to slaughter the other two. ABC was in deep shit until it started airing who wants to be a millionaire 5 nights s week. |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:07 AM Author: mischievous embarrassed to the bone space newt I remember this is when reality tv was nascent and sort of new and when Sue went on her screed against Kelly, saying "if you were dying of thirst, I would not give you a drink of water" people were absolutely shocked. That show in its first season was a monster.
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Date: December 10th, 2018 2:39 PM Author: free-loading crusty headpube Survivor was really the beginning of reality TV as we know it. You can argue that a few shows like Cops and The Real World were precursors, but Survivor really started the reality TV boom. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37383542) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:08 AM Author: Bright swollen feces psychic 180 scholarship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37381934) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:09 AM Author: Cerebral base I remember this. Sad decline of America since. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37381944) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: Pink Plaza Nowag Richard Hatch was great. I think the show was supposed to be a balance between keeping people on the tribe who could actually help you survive. Strong people would survive because they could win immunity. He basically invented the strategic aspect of the show, forming alliances-- voting out strong tribe members. He was hated by the audience too, who liked the strong, attractive young people he was voting out. The current show is still occasionally great and is almost all strategic gameplay. But I don't think they expected the show to go the way that Hatch took it. |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: boyish kitty cat I saw it last year and thought the opposite. The show hasn't changed as much I had expected. Have you watched more recent seasons? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382007) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: shaky bat-shit-crazy affirmative action tanning salon lol what? The game has completely evolved since that first season. The addition of immunity idols, people making fake immunity idols, ghost island, random mixing of tribes before the merge, and most importantly, the constant shifting of alliances from one tribal vote to the next.
The blindsides have become an art form as well as CBS' editing.
This current season is as good as any one I've seen and I've been watching religiously since season 3.
A year or two ago I went back and watched the first season because I never saw it and couldn't believe how different the game was. |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 2:33 PM Author: Pink Plaza Nowag Yeah, the game itself has evolved quite a bit. Hyper strategic. I do agree with LTM, though, that it -- for the most part -- isn't a political show. Racism isn't really a topic. They had a trannie on a few seasons back and that led to some awkward moments, but otherwise it is pretty bening politically. This season (at least this far) has been among the best. |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: shaky bat-shit-crazy affirmative action tanning salon IMO the GOAT season was Russell Brand's first. I think it is Season 7.
That guy was so cutthroat and deserved to win both times.
His first season his tribe was outnumbered 7-4 at the merge and he engineered a flawless comeback. It was pure Survivor genius. And he kept telling the other three if they trust him, they will knock them all out and they did.
I think they brought him back the very next season and he got to the finals twice in a row and lost for the same reason--the jury HATED him. |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:18 AM Author: Passionate soggy roast beef Hilarious thought - of this hadn't been so successful there wouldn't have been the apprentice and probably no TRUMP presidency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382009) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: Pink Plaza Nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382026) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: Citrine Spectacular Location Liquid Oxygen cr Richard Hatch should get a cabinet spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382039) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: offensive exciting stag film macaca hatch was arrested and charged with child abuse for depriving his fat kid of food. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382044) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:26 AM Author: Citrine Spectacular Location Liquid Oxygen lulzy if true; how did a gay man obtain a child (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382046) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:33 AM Author: offensive exciting stag film macaca https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=102876&page=1
https://ew.com/article/2000/08/29/charges-against-richard-hatch-are-dropped/
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=116087&page=1 |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 12:13 PM Author: Ultramarine haunting ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382773) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 12:15 PM Author: Soul-stirring tank Haha, Cr. It all happened because of a writer strike, right? It was cheap as fuck for CBS to produce. No actors, no union writers. They threw it on air during the summer just to fill air (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382778) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 12:17 PM Author: bearded topaz principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382782) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 12:22 PM Author: Internet-worthy half-breed cruise ship *lib hopping in DeLorean, setting destination to early 2000* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382805) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:15 AM Author: Curious thirsty son of senegal crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382338) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Crawly abnormal gaping heaven Colleen was a qt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37382845) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 1:02 PM Author: stirring amber mad-dog skullcap ljl so white ppl today aren't comfortable with all-white environments? gtfo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37383002) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 2:33 PM Author: Soul-stirring tank Im fairly sure if today on national television a group of whites, most in their 20s, were gathered on a remote island with no other minorities besides two blacks they summarily vote off, and encouraged to wear grass skirts, chuck spears, dance around fires and given silly "tribal names", a significant portion of said whites wouldnt stfu about appropriation and native lands and the unbearable whiteness of the cast, and the disgusting capitalism / colonialism of the whole thing, etc.
There would be virtue signaling galore, from both the cast and the media.
Whites in 2000 just chilled with each other on a south china island beach, without a thought to ethnicity or race |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Violent lavender field Libs don't really care about cultural appropriation of islanders. These minorities aren't important to them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37383526) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 2:34 PM Author: bearded abode no but shitlibs and twitter would go insane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37383516) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: Maroon Gunner Stage Great threat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37383113) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: free-loading crusty headpube I don't know if there's been anything since that has united Americans like Survivor did that summer.
Oh yeah, 9/11. But that's about it. |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 3:00 PM Author: Hot poppy nursing home We used to race home from roller hockey every thursday night or whenever to watch this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153040&forum_id=2#37383666) |