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Date: December 12th, 2018 6:08 PM Author: Passionate garnet therapy weed whacker https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2018/12/12/john-gray-pastor-anniversary-wife-lamborghini/2279857002/
This humble man of god previously served as Osteen’s assistant pastor. |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 6:11 PM Author: Carnelian new version dilemma Leading a megachurch is good work if you can get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37397836) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:16 PM Author: vigorous property Being a high-ranking official, not even the "leader," in the Catholic Church is great work if you can get it. See the links below. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37399507) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:54 PM Author: vigorous property A CNN investigation found that at least 10 of the 34 active archbishops in the United States live in buildings worth more than $1 million, according to church and government records.
That's not counting hundreds of retired and active Catholic bishops in smaller cities, some of whom live equally large.
Among archbishops, Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York leads the pack with this 15,000-square-foot mansion on Madison Avenue, in one of the priciest corridors of Manhattan.
Vanderbilt Appraisal Company, a New York firm hired by CNN to estimate the building's value, said it's worth at least $30 million.
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In addition to regal residences, many archbishops acquire other perks: live-in assistants, housekeepers, chauffeurs and cooks. Others live alone in roomy residences.
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/08/us/american-archbishops-lavish-homes/index.html |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 12:17 AM Author: Massive excitant trust fund if they’re actually celibate, then i still don’t envy them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37399858) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 12:18 AM Author: vigorous property My point is that the OP's bullshit criticism of Osteen can easily be extended to the Catholic Church, but isn't because it is invalid.
No one seriously calls the Church a giant huckster organization and Catholics are gullible fools getting fleeced by conmen. With both the Catholic Church and Joel Osteen, the leaders are getting rich from their flock and living nice lives. I don't see anything wrong with that since the donations are voluntary. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Massive excitant trust fund I’m gonna need some kind of link to the pope or other church higher ups getting rich from their positions. Living in a decent house that’s owned by the church is different from buying a $200k car for your wife.
I’m a Jew, so I have nothing invested in this catholic/Protestant bullshit, btw. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:32 PM Author: vigorous property I gave you a link up the chain in this very subthread.
"That's not counting hundreds of retired and active Catholic bishops in smaller cities, some of whom live equally large."
When you are retired, it means you aren't working. If you aren't working and are living in a $1 million+ home along with "live-in assistants, housekeepers, chauffeurs and cooks" (for the archbishops as per my link), it makes absolutely no functional difference whether you are paying for this stuff with your own money, or the Church is footing the bill. You are living like a king, on the backs of your gullible marks, as so OP would claim. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:42 PM Author: Massive excitant trust fund The idea that being granted use of something at someone else’s discretion is the same as being wealthy is ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37403778) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:46 PM Author: vigorous property Not at all. To my knowledge, there has only been one person who received a slap on the wrist, the "Bishop of Bling" in Germany, who made a $40 million renovation to his home.
And guess what happened? He had to resign as bishop, and the Pope just gave him another job in the Vatican. He kept his $40 million home.
So you are wrong. These people are living large and do not face any remotely realistic threat that their money will be cutoff. It is the functional equivalent of owning. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 8:05 PM Author: Massive excitant trust fund lol at comparing having the church pay for your room and board (however extravagant) to buying your wife a lamborghini.
but what3ver. maybe part of his theology is that you can and should reward yourself with luxuries instead of using thatm9ney for good works. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:48 PM Author: Silver painfully honest boiling water they don't actually own those buildings, though, and they will not pass them on to their children. odds are most of them won't be there for long before they're moved onto another place. that's just how institutions work. i'd much rather preserve a prestigious seat for the position than to personally enrich a man and his family. edit: depending on the demonination though a lot of clerics are RETARDED with how they spend institutional money. this is less a problem of them being greedy in many cases, than just that you never want greedy men with the pursestrings, so you end up with a lot of inefficiency and waste. on the other hand, i wish faggot franciscans would stop selling our beautiful buildings to feed the poor. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:52 PM Author: vigorous property So let's just get this straight. Many higher-ups in the Catholic church are living in $1 million+ mansions. The "Bishop of bling" in Germany (linked down below) made a $40 million renovation to his home, with all sorts of cool shit in it.
And the CNN link says that many archbishops enjoy "live-in assistants, housekeepers, chauffeurs and cooks" in their mansions.
But you don't consider this as living a life of luxury on the backs of their marks, the stupid people they are conning, which is the OPs logic. Instead, you are trying to draw some meaningless distinction that because these Church leaders don't actually own their multi million mansions and their servants, and instead might get shuffled around to live in other multi million mansions and have a new set of servants, this is somehow so different from Joel Osteen. Give me a break, lol. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:57 PM Author: Silver painfully honest boiling water there are obviously excesses that should be cut down on, but i think this is a meaningful distinction. i'm happy for the archbishop of every parish to have nice apartments (or in the case of old places like italy where there are literal palaces the church owns, one of those), as long as they're preserving them well and passing them down. similarly, i'm deeply invested in the maintenance and preservation of beautiful churches. i think these are both parts of institutions that are important if you are concerned about the continuity of something beyond your own life. that's the objection i take to the megachurch shit, it doesn't distinguish the persona of the priestly office from the persona of the man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37403848) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:04 PM Author: vigorous property And I completely disagree with your distinction. I would very happily take a deal where I get to live in a multi million $$$$ mansion or palace, with a bevy of servants, in exchange with preserving the building well and passing it down. I think 99.9999999999999% of people would too.
In fact, if I owned such a property and paid for my own servants, my behavior wouldn't really change. I like to take good care of my stuff. Maybe you wouldn't have 99.99999999999% of people act similarly (some just trash their things), but it still would be a very high %.
So I think you are creating an artificial distinction. I think the vast majority of people would love to sign on to live large, like the Church leaders, and wouldn't really act differently if they actually owned it.
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:07 PM Author: Silver painfully honest boiling water you might be surprised in terms of personal psychology, but the more important thing for me would be that these sorts of luxuries are a random perk of duty that could disappear at any moment, and that your duties are to the institution, your predecessors, and your successors, rather than to yourself or your own temporal family. luxury in general is poisonous, but if there is a proper way to enjoy it, i think it has to be that sort of way. you can't have some woman coming to rely on it and browbeating you into buying her shit. you need to have temperate men who can accept its loss as any moment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37403924) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:19 PM Author: vigorous property Except they CANNOT "disappear at any moment." At least, there is zero practical chance of that ever happening.
Why don't you try to name just two examples of this occurring in the last 50 years? You can't, at least not for living large. The Bishop of Bling proves it. He made a $40 million renovation to his home, got suspended and was forced to resign, but then the Pope just gave him another job at the Vatican, and he kept all his wealth.
While one of them could be accused of sex assault and then things could be different, that is taking far too broad a definition, as one could own a lot of things, be accused of a crime, and then watch his wealth all disappear as he has to spend $$$ defending himself and then goes to jail. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:23 PM Author: Silver painfully honest boiling water ? that's a particularly scandalous case (and made more scandalous by papa francis, god help him find his way back to God), but clerics having to move happens the time. the bishop in my old parish in philadelphia is getting sent elsewhere soon and will keep just about nothing but his chalice while a successor comes in. he's not even able to set a certain legislative agenda because his time is up. this is just how the church often works. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:33 PM Author: vigorous property The purpose was not to demonstrate how scandalous it is. It's to show how there are no consequences for living like that.
The article I linked said that retired guys also live in luxury.
So who cares if they get sent somewhere and "keep nothing" if they just go to some other palace or mansion? Instead of having Amanda as their personal chef, with Ortiz as their chauffeur, they will have to settle with Pam as a personal chef, with Orlando as a chauffeur. Oh the humanity!! |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:38 PM Author: Silver painfully honest boiling water retired bishops and cardinals? it varies, but yeah, we need to reform the fuck out of a lot of them, especially the cardinals. that was the hope with the papa frank scandals that never really came to fruition but fired up the traditionalist base, who is now more anti-bishop than ever because they want the latin mass back and are tired of hearing about guns and fags. even in this fallen system, which obviously needs reform but will never be perfect, i'd rather we uphold the institution rather than personal prosperity, and that is one of the best way to criticize abusers, that they are selfishly diminishing something greater than themselves. i'm unwilling to abandon this basis in tradition while the world is so insane, even if it is currently being abused. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37404104) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:48 PM Author: vigorous property Well, I am now going to circle back to Osteen and tie the loop.
People claim Osteen is a "charlatan" or "fraud" because he is wealthy, but this is a crock of shit. The bulk of his money comes from his book sales (one of his books was one of the fastest selling books in history) and TV deals. And he NEVER asks for $$$ during services.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. A very talented and intelligent preacher enjoying the fruits of his success, coming through conventional means.
And I point to the Catholic Church to drive the point home further. These bishops and cardinals aren't talented like Joel is. They didn't write books and make tens of millions of $$$ off them, because they are incapable, like 99.9% of people. But many of them live lives of luxury which comes from the $$$ that priests ALWAYS ask for during mass.
And the funny thing is I don't really care about their luxury. Good for them, even though they didn't earn it like Joel did. The point is there isn't anything wrong, but it's hypocrisy of the highest order for a Catholic to call Joel a charlatan based on what I just described. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:53 PM Author: Silver painfully honest boiling water i didn't call osteen a charlatan or the guy this thread is about, tbf. my objection was entirely that i prefer wealth for spiritual men stay in institutions rather than enter families. this is a broader position i have. i'm happy to be poor as an academic, because i think academics should be poor. i'm happy, similarly, for captains of industry to have money, but i think in a proper society, it should be they rather than government that invests in institutions. my position is very humble and conservative, i'm just wary of people who, in my view, should be in the poor but supported by institutions class getting wealthy for themselves rather than getting wealth for their institutions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37404178) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:58 PM Author: vigorous property I agree with that, and my barometer for a proper society is politicians. Forget everything else, if a society's politicians are in it to enrich their constituents and not themselves, that's how things should be. We live in the 100% inverse, where it is normal for politicians to amass fortunes of $10 million+, and not really give a fuck about enriching their constituents (actually hurting many of them).
I am not sure where Osteen fits into what you just said, but while he is certainly wealthy, so is his institution. Have you seen Lakewood Church? It's stunning and beautiful. Maybe you would rather have him give all his personal wealth away and put it into his church, but I think that is silly and unnecessary, and his church has plenty of money. He doesn't even take a salary from it because he gets so much $$$ from other sources. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 8:14 PM Author: Silver painfully honest boiling water fair enough. i'm, again, categorically wary of personal wealth on the part of spiritual leaders (including when catholics abuse it), but my main response is just that if osteen loves his church he will do everything he can to ensure it survives forever. that might well take him pouring more of his personal money into it, i'm not sure what the finances of either him or it are like. i think that sort of disavowal of wealth, though, is at the heart of christianity. in the early christian text the diadoche, we're told to give up our wealth to whoever the fuck, not because they're poor and need it, but because wealth is corrupting, and we need to give it up to follow christ truly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37404291) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 8:18 PM Author: vigorous property If what you say is true, then the bishops, cardinals, and other leaders I describe are like Jews trying to employ a Talmudic loophole.
"See, God, I know that wealth is corrupting. So I don't actually have wealth. Instead, I let the church pay for my palace, personal chef, chauffeur, butler, etc., but I'm not corrupted because I'm not actually footing the bill and have to take care of the place!"
Also, I've made a thread on it before, but Joel has a sermon where he directly addresses your point. I think he points to scripture that says God wants you to live an abundant life, and it's fine to be wealthy so long as you don't just hoard your wealth and use it to help others. He quotes to some Bible story about a guy who hoarded his wealth and then just died and it was all completely wasted. He said you have to spread it around. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 8:25 PM Author: Silver painfully honest boiling water obviously they shouldn't have those things. they should live an eat with their brothers in christ, but if there's some compromise in them having a more prestigious dwelling to show their relative status in a hierarchy (a hierarchy which i think is necessary), i'm fine with that. i think you should absolutely beware wealth, and agree you can't rules lawyer god out of making luxury into nbd sin by claiming someone else pays for it. seriously though, as bad as some catholic prelates are now, they'd be much worse if they had women to please. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 8:32 PM Author: vigorous property I'm generally fine keeping women out, but do think that the vow of celibacy is unrealistic and one reason so many gays/pedos become priests, because this keeps normal people out. But that's a subject for another thread.
Obviously I'm on board with Joel's position on wealth, which I summed up at the end of my last poast. Do you have a real objection if he accumulates wealth but also uses it to help others? That's like his big thing. I think giving it all away is unrealistic and silly. Joel is a pragmatist. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 8:41 PM Author: Silver painfully honest boiling water i appreciate pragmatism in it's place, but it's not what i want in my clerics. again, i wouldn't say industrialists and captains of industry should give up their wealth. but clerics? i really think they should, even if they use some of it to help others. that should not be a profession of wealth or luxury, for anyone, beyond the limited parameters i specified above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37404518) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 8:52 PM Author: vigorous property Ok, we obviously disagree but are closer than I originally thought. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37404593) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 6:41 PM Author: vigorous property The Pope has a net worth of millions of dollars and sits on a gold plated throne.
If you claim that he is a charlatan and every Catholic is a hoodwinked patsy, and repeat this claim to Catholics on the board, then you are being consistent and we can get into it more. Otherwise, this line of criticism has no merit.
Because I’m very clear: people choosing to donate money to Osteen or other religious leaders who don’t even ask, do not somehow invalidate the legitimacy of the religious leaders. |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 7:01 PM Author: Heady international law enforcement agency nursing home the pope is obviously a deranged liberal charlatan and catholics have been hoodwinked shekel-spilling patsies, this has been well known since Jan Hus called out innocent VII. are you playing dumb or just this naive? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37398081) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 7:36 PM Author: vigorous property I want intellectual honesty. I’ve yet to see anyone who calls Osteen a charlatan also call the Pope the same, and Catholics as unwitting dupes.
I suppose Jews would have no issue with this, though that seems like a conflict of interest. Still, I want the intellectual honesty. OP is silent but if you will say this then I will engage you further. |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 7:45 PM Author: Passionate garnet therapy weed whacker Your whataboutism won’t work on me. Pope is a pedo-communist and should be executed. All churches and “nonprofits” need to be taxed and audited like any other business.
The largest private home in Louisiana is owned by a megachurch pastor who claims it as a “parsonage” - pays $0 in property taxes. It’s all a sick fraud. |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 7:50 PM Author: Razzle bespoke codepig regarding your last point, the lord is good! hallelujah!
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Date: December 12th, 2018 8:17 PM Author: vigorous property Not whataboutism. It’s a demand for intellectual honesty.
I agree that churches should be taxed and audited. The current “tax exempt” status is a fraud and a joke. However, that problem lies with our government and not these religious leaders.
This addresses the point you just made. Now what? |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 12:56 AM Author: Passionate garnet therapy weed whacker Aren’t pastors pious servants of god? Why do they need the fed gov to police them? Do they not have a fear of Hell or are they all just atheist charlattans peddling lies? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37400071) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 1:02 AM Author: vigorous property Thank you for clarifying that you aren’t limiting your criticism in the OP to Osteen. You are contending that many higher-ups in the Catholic Church are “atheist charlatans peddling lies.” Because I posted many examples throughout the thread.
Now that your meaning is clear to all, my answer is with both the Catholic Church and Joel Osteen (probably with Jew rabbis and Muslim preachers too), the leaders are getting rich from their flock and living nice lives. I don't see anything wrong with that since the donations are voluntary.
And now I will ask you to respond to the astute pumo’s question he poasted down below, which really eviscerates your thread:
Date: December 12th, 2018 11:17 PM Author: .,.,.,..,..,.,..:,,:,..,,.;:,,..,:,.;.:..:.,:,::,.
so then buying a lambo would be equally hypocritical for a christian lawyer or a christian doctor then, correct? i mean there aren't multiple tiers of heaven the last time i checked.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37399514) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 1:37 AM Author: Passionate garnet therapy weed whacker I’m not a Christian anymore. But yes, rapacious greed and niggerish displays of wealth are unchristlike and condemned for all followers of Christ. Perhaps the leader of the flock should be held to a higher standard and level of scrutiny though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37400205) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 7:46 PM Author: topaz startled senate FUCK YOURE AN IDIOT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37398260) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 9:21 PM Author: topaz startled senate Fuck you pepito! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37398763) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 9:24 PM Author: vigorous property Crrrrrr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37398787) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 7:49 PM Author: Histrionic puce gay wizard lay "The Pope has a net worth of millions of dollars"
link? |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 7:50 PM Author: Razzle bespoke codepig exactly. he doesnt own any of it, just gets to sit in it for a bit until the next pope. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37398297) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 8:12 PM Author: vigorous property This link lists him at $73 million:
https://www.celebswealth.com/pope-francis-net-worth/
All I did was Google “Pope net worth” and it came right up. |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 8:17 PM Author: Histrionic puce gay wizard lay now link a website that's not flame put together by a bot or some dude in Hyderabad
"He was the resident person of Apostolic Palace, Vatican City."
"He was a philosopher who believed in natural laws"
"He worshiped prayers, Bible, Biblical canon, and devotions"
"Francis started his career by serving the society."
"He studied at the archdiocesan. After three, he entered in the Society of Jesus"
"Francis was named auxiliary Bishops of Buenos Aries" |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 8:21 PM Author: vigorous property Here’s another that gets into more detail about his millions:
https://allthingsfinance.net/the-vatican-and-pope-francis-net-worth/ |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 8:29 PM Author: Histrionic puce gay wizard lay That link doesn't go into details at all. It basically says "Some people say he's worth $25 million. Some say he's worth $0. Some say he's worth $1 billion. Information is sparse"
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Date: December 12th, 2018 9:17 PM Author: vigorous property It also talks about how he controls some Vatican assets (how much isn’t specified), and the Vatican has a net worth of $10-15 BILLION.
That makes my point pretty clear. The Pope is riding high off donations received from Churchgoers. So does Osteen. There isn’t any functional difference when lifestyle is what matters and both lead lives of luxury. But I’ll point out that Catholic priests ask for donations during Mass while Joel Osteen does not, so there is one difference. |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 8:51 PM Author: frisky supple toaster "He worshiped prayers, Bible, Biblical canon, and devotions" is a fantastic sentence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37398599) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:05 PM Author: curious philosopher-king plaza i get the tension or inconsistency some people view as "inherent" in posts like this, but if this guy is hugely successful at building a thriving church, why should he not live a life commensurate with his level of achievement in his profession, just like any other professional? if his flock finds it to be a vulger display of wealth they're completely free to quit tithing or go join another church.
mega-churches bring in a shit ton of revenue, and since mega-church is basically synonymous with evangelical it's not like the guy took a vow of poverty either.
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:09 PM Author: Razzle bespoke codepig the tension comes from christianity being about suffering and atonement for sins. its about rejecting the temporal rewards of this life for the eternal joy of heaven. when someone buys a Lamborghini suv its speaks louder than words that material things are important and maybe christianity is just all fake bs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37399438) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:11 PM Author: topaz startled senate Cr lacks humility (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37399454) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:12 PM Author: vigorous property A $20,000 bathtub. Built-in closets costing nearly $500,000. A $35,000 conference table. $1.1 million in landscaped gardens. A fitness room larger than many apartments. A personal chapel. All pieces of a $40+ million home renovation.
It sounds like something straight out of Hollywood. In fact, it couldn't be much more removed: the residence is attributable to Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst, the recently dubbed "Bishop of Bling."
Bishop Tebartz-van Elst resides in the diocese of Limburg, home to about 650,000 Catholics in Germany. The bishop made news this week when the Catholic Church disclosed the exact cost of the renovations to his personal residence - improvements that had skyrocketed to more than eight times the original projections.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2013/10/24/vatican-suspends-bishop-of-bling-over-40-million-home-renovation/#23c39cfc486e |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:49 PM Author: vigorous property You seem willfully ignorant at this point. Read about him. He was forced to resign, but then the Pope just gave him another job in the Vatican. That isn't a punishment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37404163) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:14 PM Author: vigorous property A CNN investigation found that at least 10 of the 34 active archbishops in the United States live in buildings worth more than $1 million, according to church and government records.*
That's not counting hundreds of retired and active Catholic bishops in smaller cities, some of whom live equally large.
Among archbishops, Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York leads the pack with this 15,000-square-foot mansion on Madison Avenue, in one of the priciest corridors of Manhattan.
Vanderbilt Appraisal Company, a New York firm hired by CNN to estimate the building's value, said it's worth at least $30 million. Dolan shares the neo-Gothic mansion, which is reportedly filled with thick red carpets and priceless antiques, with three other priests.
Chicago's Cardinal Francis George lives in a pretty fancy crib, too.
This mansion has 19 chimneys and sits on 1.7 acres of prime real estate in Chicago's ritzy Gold Coast neighborhood. It's worth $14.3 million "as is," but the property could fetch far more, appraisers told CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/08/us/american-archbishops-lavish-homes/index.html |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:16 PM Author: topaz startled senate so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37399501) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:34 PM Author: glittery amber chapel OSTEEN ISN'T HYPOCRITICAL BECAUSE ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE HYPOCRITICAL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37403731) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:27 PM Author: Histrionic puce gay wizard lay Those houses are historic church properties...
they don't belong to the archbishops and they have to share them with offices and residences for other church employees. It's like the White House. |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:15 PM Author: vigorous property In addition to regal residences, many archbishops acquire other perks: live-in assistants, housekeepers, chauffeurs and cooks. Others live alone in roomy residences.
Archbishop James Sartain of Seattle, for example, lives by himself in this three-story house. The appraised value is $3.84 million, according to the King County Department of Assessments.
Archbishop Leonard Blair of Hartford, Connecticut, lives in this nearly 9,000- square-foot mansion, which was appraised at $1.85 million, according to government records.
Archbishop Thomas Wenski of Miami lives with his secretary, a priest, in this six-bedroom, six-bath house. A tiki hut and pool in the backyard overlook Biscayne Bay.
The 5,350-square-foot residence is worth more than $1.38 million, according to Miami-Dade County assessors.
This castle-like mansion, once featured in an article on the "Palaces of St. Louis," is home to St. Louis Archbishop Robert Carlson.
The 11,000-square-foot home, which Carlson shares with a priest-secretary, is worth $1.4 million, city appraisers say. Two nuns also live on the property, but not in the house, and cook and clean for the archbishop. In 2008, Carlson also bought a house in Estero, Florida, for $327,500, according to public records.
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/08/us/american-archbishops-lavish-homes/index.html |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:16 PM Author: topaz startled senate dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37399504) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:17 PM Author: curious philosopher-king plaza so then buying a lambo would be equally hypocritical for a christian lawyer or a christian doctor then, correct? i mean there aren't multiple tiers of heaven the last time i checked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37399514) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 11:20 AM Author: Iridescent ungodly university yarmulke "equally as hypocritical" maybe but there is absolutely a hierarchy in heaven according to some christian views with pastors held to a higher standard.
a funeral mass for a priest will have the priests body laying the opposite a lay person's would, symbolizing that he will be judged for how well he served his parishioners. if he sets a bad example and it leads others to sin, he's gonna pay for it.
most evangelicals probably dont think of it that way though |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 10:56 AM Author: slate windowlicker At my church, our pastor obviously lives pretty well. He donated 300k to the church this last year and made a big deal about how this was an example of how to give properly.
I live in semi-rural South Carolina. How the fuck does this guy have 300k to give?
I really resent how these guys live.
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Date: December 13th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: Blathering dead public bath He should run for GOP POTUS nomination. They love crooks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37400089) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 1:39 AM Author: Passionate garnet therapy weed whacker He’s a nigger Democrat. You should donate some of your loot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37400210) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:34 PM Author: glittery amber chapel At this point if you're still buying in to organized religion of any type you deserve to be fleeced. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37403734) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:41 PM Author: Marvelous Boistinker Orchestra Pit Why is there a picture of Shaq? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37403767) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 6:49 PM Author: vigorous property Here's a follow-up from OP's site:
With tears, John Gray defends gift to wife: No Relentless Church money used to buy Lamborghini
Pastor John Gray teared up at times during a Facebook Live video Thursday as he defended buying a Lamborghini for his wife.
Gray said the luxury sports utility vehicle was bought with "not a nickel, not a penny," from Relentless Church in Greenville.
Gray said he has saved and planned his money for years, drawing on a variety of sources including his second book deal and the fourth season of his OWN channel reality show.
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Gray said the Lamborghini wasn't bought by a pastor, it was bought by a husband who happens to be a pastor and did not involve money from Relentless Church.
https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2018/12/13/pastor-john-gray-defends-lamborghini-purchase/2302373002/ |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:05 PM Author: Wonderful Foreskin I'm genuinely curious, does this guy take a salary from the church? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37403907) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:07 PM Author: vigorous property No idea. He sounds like Joel Osteen though. Joel gets most of his money through his book sales (he's a fabulous writer and very smart) and TV stuff.
Of course, plenty of people donate to him because they just love him, even though he NEVER asks for $$$ in his services, unlike the Catholic masses, but I don't think that's his main source of income. |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:08 PM Author: Wonderful Foreskin I just don't think you can use the "no funds from church were used to buy the lambo" argument if it's all going into the same bank account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37403939) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:21 PM Author: vigorous property Let's say he makes $50,000 a year from his church, and $500,000 a year from his book and TV deals. Then you certainly can use that argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37404001) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:05 PM Author: Passionate garnet therapy weed whacker I hope this fraud gets ousted. Otherwise he’ll be buying a Gulfstream jet next year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37403909) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 7:23 PM Author: Fishy electric patrolman menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37404021) |
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Date: December 13th, 2018 8:07 PM Author: Massive excitant trust fund lmao at relentless church. does it have a mascot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37404254) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:42 PM Author: vigorous property It’s rated 4.8/5 on Google. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154801&forum_id=2#37408100) |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:55 PM Author: curious philosopher-king plaza not really familiar w your Joel Oseteen schtick but i was the pumo (potentially) defending this guy in the poast above. i can understand looking kinda sideways at certain extravagances for church leaders but this is all the more, i won't say reasonable but defensible when this guy has several sources of additional outside income like book deals and outside speaking fees.
even if not, lots of lead pastors at mega churches have congregations where the poorest paid members are early-career professionals making ~$75k in their first job out of college, and most of the older members with kids are established career professionals making $300k-500k and up. are we really supposed to call them frauds if they're paying themselves salary of like $250k w a flock of 1,000+ of those kinds of people? it stands to reason that if one is the leader of a well-to-do flock many of them would like their pastor to travel in the same circles. |
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Date: December 14th, 2018 3:01 PM Author: vigorous property Joel Osteen’s church seats 55,000 people, and his videos/radio broadcasts reach 20 million per month, globally.
He doesn’t take a salary, and makes tens of millions from his book sales. Also has TV deals and has talked in his services before about making a profit selling some public access channels. The charge that he’s a fraud is ludicrous and not made in good faith. |
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