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NPR: The Trump / Russian Collusion case is falling apart

Not flame?!? https://www.npr.org/2018/12/15/676765398/the...
vibrant coral state
  12/15/18
Lmao the author is still openly wondering if they have evide...
irradiated tanning salon
  12/15/18
that part was stunning. I guess they have to play to their r...
Ruddy Nibblets
  12/15/18
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vibrant coral state
  12/15/18
still cant believe that anyone ever actually believed this s...
jet persian library
  12/15/18
Twist: everyone knew it was bullshit.
diverse obsidian dopamine idiot
  12/15/18
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Charismatic onyx property jap
  12/15/18
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Medicated hospital
  12/15/18
It was always just a bullshit cover to give them free reign ...
diverse obsidian dopamine idiot
  12/15/18
almost like this whole russia thing was a pretext to go on a...
Ruddy Nibblets
  12/15/18
Reptiles don’t have the balls to pull these stunts
Charismatic onyx property jap
  12/15/18
media doesn't give Rs cover like they do Ds
vibrant coral state
  12/15/18
...
Ruddy Nibblets
  12/17/18
Interesting
green razzle-dazzle ladyboy
  12/15/18
holy shit the russians got to NPR
excitant parlour telephone
  12/15/18
Editor's Note: This story has been edited to make it clear t...
Outnumbered cuck school
  12/15/18
WLMAS
Outnumbered cuck school
  12/15/18
I kind of hope Cohen gets shanked in prison.
Supple Queen Of The Night Temple
  12/15/18
he is apparently going to some country club prison where mos...
Emerald trip parlor
  12/16/18
will he be able to gain freedom by working?
brass patrolman
  12/16/18
no, but I hear the showers there are really something else
Emerald trip parlor
  12/16/18
painfully bad writing
brass patrolman
  12/15/18
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vibrant coral state
  12/16/18
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Date: December 15th, 2018 12:04 PM
Author: vibrant coral state

Not flame?!?

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/15/676765398/the-russia-investigations-an-unfinished-case-looks-weaker-than-ever

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The Russia Investigations: An Unfinished Case Looks Weaker Than Ever

Philip Ewing

8-11 minutes

Michael Cohen, President Trump's former personal attorney, arrives at federal court for his sentencing hearing on Wednesday in New York City. He was sentenced to three years in prison. Eduardo Munoz Alvarez/Getty Images hide caption

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Michael Cohen, President Trump's former personal attorney, arrives at federal court for his sentencing hearing on Wednesday in New York City. He was sentenced to three years in prison.

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This week in the Russia investigations: Michael Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison ... Maria Butina pleaded guilty ... but the finish line looks no closer

The shifting sands

Political and legal danger for President Trump may be sharpening by the day, but the case that his campaign might have conspired with the Russian attack on the 2016 election looks weaker than ever.

Trump has been implicated in ordering a scheme to silence two women ahead of Election Day in 2016 about the alleged sexual relationships they had with him years before.

That is a serious matter, or it might have been in other times, but it is decidedly not a global conspiracy with a foreign power to steal the election.

Michael Cohen On Trump In TV Interview: 'The Man Doesn't Tell The Truth'

More broadly, the president and his supporters say, the payments to the women in 2016 are penny ante stuff: Breaking campaign finance law, if that did take place, isn't like committing murder, said one lawyer for the president.

The "biased" Justice Department is just grasping at straws to use something against Trump because it hasn't been able to locate a "smocking gun," as Trump wrote this week, that would tie his campaign in with Russia's active measures in 2016.

“Democrats can’t find a Smocking Gun tying the Trump campaign to Russia after James Comey’s testimony. No Smocking Gun...No Collusion.” @FoxNews That’s because there was NO COLLUSION. So now the Dems go to a simple private transaction, wrongly call it a campaign contribution,...

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 10, 2018

There's an important kernel of truth in that argument — not only is there no smoking gun, the Russia case appears to have been weakening, not strengthening, while America's eyes have been on the payments.

The charges they didn't make

Item: Cohen ostensibly played a key role in the version of events told by the infamous, partly unverified Russia dossier. He denied that strongly to Congress. He also has admitted lying to Congress and submitted an important new version of other events.

But that new story didn't include a trip to Prague, as described in the dossier. Nor did Cohen discuss that in his interview on Friday on ABC News. Could the trip, or a trip, still be substantiated? Yes, maybe — but if it happened, would a man go to prison for three years without anyone having mentioned it?

Trump Defends Hush-Money Payments In Fox News Interview

Item: Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, is on track to be sentenced early next year after his conviction in the Eastern District of Virginia and his guilty plea in Washington, D.C.

Prosecutors say that Manafort shouldn't get any consideration for the information he's given the feds because he's been lying to them; Manafort's lawyers say he gave the government valuable information.

Feds Detail What They Call Lies Told By Paul Manafort Since His Guilty Plea

Nonetheless, the crimes for which the feds want Manafort to be locked up aren't a Russian conspiracy to throw the election.

Moreover, Manafort took part in at least one event that has attracted endless discussion: the June 2016 meeting at which he and other top campaign leaders hosted the delegation of Russians following an offer of dirt on Hillary Clinton.

But Manafort's role in that meeting hasn't figured into either of his federal cases nor been the subject of court documents. Maybe the feds are holding all that back for some kind of big reveal — or maybe there's no conspiracy here.

What You Need To Know About Another Wild Week In The Russia Investigation

Further inference: If Manafort isn't in any legal jeopardy over his role in the Trump Tower meeting, does that suggest no one else is, either? There were a lot of outside theories that the meeting might have broken federal laws barring U.S. political campaigns from getting opposition research from foreigners.

Does the absence of anything about that in Manafort's case mean the feds actually don't think there's anything to prosecute?

Item: Former national security adviser Michael Flynn has been a very good witness, the feds say. They say it would be fine with them if, when he is sentenced on Tuesday, a judge gave Flynn no jail time.

Michael Flynn Asks For No Prison Time, Cites Help He Gave Special Counsel

Does that sound like the attitude they would take with someone who had been serving as a Russian factotum and who had been serving as a foreign agent from inside the White House as national security adviser, steps away from the Oval Office?

And on it goes: Will the feds ever charge Trump's sometime foreign policy adviser, Carter Page, whom they called a Russian agent in the partly declassified application they made to surveil him?

What You Need To Know About The Much-Discussed Carter Page FISA Document

The surveillance began under FBI Director James Comey and was reauthorized into the Trump era, including by his own appointees at the Justice Department.

That suggests it was yielding foreign intelligence, but Page has maintained all along that he did nothing wrong. Judging by the absence of any charges and his continued liberty, authorities appear to agree.

Shadows and fog

Investigators certainly know more than they're saying — they often repeat as much in court appearances and documents in their various cases. But an ostensible conspiracy between Trump's campaign and the Russians who attacked the election is nowhere near close to being proven.

Not only that, a few recent events may delay the verification of any official theory about such a conspiracy. One important one is that Trump has signaled that he's open to clemency for people in the Russia imbroglio.

What You Need To Know About The New Manafort And Cohen Court Documents

If Manafort and others take that as a beacon of hope to stand fast against the feds and fight their cases because they'll ultimately get a pardon, that could not only add months to this saga but also conceal important facts.

Mueller, as usual, is in the driver's seat. If he presses ahead with criminal cases against people who don't accept plea deals, that means the Russia imbroglio could run well into 2019 or beyond.

If he opts not to prosecute people on whom he has evidence of wrongdoing and he simply writes what he's discovered in a notional final report, that might end this saga sooner but amount to an abdication of justice. That doesn't seem like the Mueller that America has come to know.

All The Criminal Charges To Emerge So Far From Robert Mueller's Investigation

Another thing that Americans have come to know about Mueller is that he can keep a secret. So if he has evidence about a geopolitical conspiracy between Trump's campaign and Russia's active measures, the public probably won't learn about it until the moment the special counsel's office wants that to happen.

From what is visible today, however, the case is still Swiss cheese. Unless that changes in a big way, the hottest political story in a generation may lose its place in center stage.

The Russia Investigations: Maybe The End Is In Sight. Maybe It Isn't

The continued slide of the core Russia "collusion" story, if that is what indeed happens, is politically relevant to the other investigations and potential problems confronting the president.

Because the hush-money payments and the potential international contributions to the inauguration campaign aren't about Russia, it provides a talking point to the White House:

The "deep state" couldn't make Russia stick, Trump argues, and so its conspirators have gone on an expedition for other mud to sling. That, he hopes, will mean that none of it sticks.

Poll: Republicans Are Only Group That Mostly Sees Mueller Probe As A 'Witch Hunt'

Court Filing References Secret Special Counsel Investigation. Here's What It Might Be



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37411802)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: irradiated tanning salon

Lmao the author is still openly wondering if they have evidence that Michael Cohen went to Prague. LMAO!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37411839)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 1:36 PM
Author: Ruddy Nibblets

that part was stunning. I guess they have to play to their readers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37412198)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: vibrant coral state



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Date: December 15th, 2018 1:01 PM
Author: jet persian library

still cant believe that anyone ever actually believed this shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37412058)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 1:02 PM
Author: diverse obsidian dopamine idiot

Twist: everyone knew it was bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37412063)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 1:19 PM
Author: Charismatic onyx property jap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37412130)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 2:00 PM
Author: Medicated hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37412303)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 1:02 PM
Author: diverse obsidian dopamine idiot

It was always just a bullshit cover to give them free reign to "investigate" until they find something that can be used for impeachment or, failing that, to damage Trump in 2020. Currently it's Russian biz deals and campaign payments to blackmailing whores but the situation is still developing. We'll have to see what unfolds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37412060)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 1:38 PM
Author: Ruddy Nibblets

almost like this whole russia thing was a pretext to go on a fishing expedition to dig up dirt on our elected potus and any of his associates. good for the goose, good for the gander....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37412201)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 2:01 PM
Author: Charismatic onyx property jap

Reptiles don’t have the balls to pull these stunts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37412313)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 5:37 PM
Author: vibrant coral state

media doesn't give Rs cover like they do Ds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37413268)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 12:45 PM
Author: Ruddy Nibblets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37421271)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 1:45 PM
Author: green razzle-dazzle ladyboy

Interesting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37412237)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 1:59 PM
Author: excitant parlour telephone

holy shit the russians got to NPR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37412297)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 2:00 PM
Author: Outnumbered cuck school

Editor's Note: This story has been edited to make it clear that it is analysis, and that the allegations of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians remain unproven.

Wat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37412304)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 2:03 PM
Author: Outnumbered cuck school

WLMAS

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Date: December 15th, 2018 5:03 PM
Author: Supple Queen Of The Night Temple

I kind of hope Cohen gets shanked in prison.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37413113)



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Date: December 16th, 2018 1:38 PM
Author: Emerald trip parlor

he is apparently going to some country club prison where most of the population is jews...and I am not kidding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37416574)



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Date: December 16th, 2018 1:44 PM
Author: brass patrolman

will he be able to gain freedom by working?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37416605)



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Date: December 16th, 2018 1:45 PM
Author: Emerald trip parlor

no, but I hear the showers there are really something else

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37416610)



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Date: December 15th, 2018 5:37 PM
Author: brass patrolman

painfully bad writing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37413266)



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Date: December 16th, 2018 1:37 PM
Author: vibrant coral state



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Date: March 23rd, 2019 11:19 AM
Author: Useless Address Skinny Woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4156441&forum_id=2#37976649)