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Los Angeles teachers striking over $72,000/year pay.
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:20 AM Author: charismatic lodge sweet tailpipe In the meantime, teachers like Amy Owen are preparing to greet students on Monday after three weeks of winter vacation and then strike three days later. Ms. Owen, who has been teaching in Los Angeles public schools for more than a decade, said it has grown increasingly difficult to live near her school in central Los Angeles on her salary of about $72,000.
“Pretty much everyone at my age owns things, a home or a condo or something, and for me to get that I’d have to commute an hour and a half every day,” said Ms. Owen, 44. “If you looked at my salary just as a number I would be doing well in many places. But in L.A. I am just barely middle class. I understand that teaching is not a profession where you are going to make a lot of money, but we deserve some basic respect.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/teacher-strike-lausd-utla.html |
Date: January 8th, 2019 4:23 AM Author: Nudist abnormal den tattoo MY Masters, MY Instagram fame, MY 183 days off in a year, MY six-figure income (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550270) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:24 AM Author: henna selfie honestly just shoot them all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550271) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:22 AM Author: well-lubricated wonderful meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551505) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:23 AM Author: fighting rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551509) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 9:32 PM Author: vermilion supple dilemma sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37555955) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:27 AM Author: Maize hell XO: Impossible to live anywhere on less than 300k
Also XO: Teachers should be grateful for 70K |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:31 AM Author: charismatic lodge sweet tailpipe Professional degree, no control of hours, 2000 billables Out the door at 3pm, 3 months vacation, BA in humanities |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 9:07 AM Author: soul-stirring masturbator nowag When you fact in winter/fall/spring breaks, ridiculous holidays, and "in service" days, they well exceed 4 months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550796) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:25 AM Author: Electric temple coldplay fan To be fair, the teachers actually have to be somewhere on "in service" days. It's not really a holiday for them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551524) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:47 AM Author: well-lubricated wonderful meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551653) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 12:10 PM Author: soul-stirring masturbator nowag I was totally off base brother. A day where you have none of your usual responsibilities and get to quietly "catch up", or mail it in attending meetings that require no preparation, absolutely should count as a work day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551798) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 5:04 PM Author: zombie-like community account Ever have to go to seminars as part of your workday? Ever have a full day of paperwork? Same things. Do you count those days as vacation days? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553793) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 5:12 PM Author: Electric temple coldplay fan Yeah, all sorts of jobs have training/seminar/WTF "work" days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553848) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:58 AM Author: Lake Crotch Legend Teachers are licensed and regulated professionals. Just like lawyers dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551729) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 12:56 PM Author: well-lubricated wonderful meetinghouse Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37552073) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:11 PM Author: charismatic lodge sweet tailpipe Tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553449) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:35 AM Author: splenetic carmine yarmulke "impossible to live anywhere on <300k" is whiny flame but a lot of what makes people feel strained is that half their paycheck goes to an unnecessary public sector bureaucracy of half-asleep dmv bitches who think they need to make 100k + a pension
the new deal basically killed america. this is no longer a country with a common set of interests and values, it's a cash redistribution mechanism with different classes of people fighting over the spoils and alternately getting their way every 4-8 years. |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:52 AM Author: Copper tanning salon twinkling uncleanness except 50% of federal discretionary spending literally goes to the military you dumb retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550290) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:53 AM Author: splenetic carmine yarmulke federal taxes are not what make LA taxes expensive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550293) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:57 AM Author: Copper tanning salon twinkling uncleanness LA has no taxes u moron, CA has taxes but its not that fuking much if u are only making avg salary
my point is moron conturds think their tax money is going to welfare and nigs when its actually goin to the military BIGPHARMAHEALTHCARE fraud, u dumbshits |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 6:53 AM Author: doobsian kitchen scourge upon the earth Nigs are a YUGE drain on healthacre spending (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550467) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:26 AM Author: Electric temple coldplay fan Is "healthacre" like the bizarro bloodacre? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551529) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 8:46 PM Author: chartreuse theater stage no, that's "healthdupa" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37555256) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 12:57 PM Author: well-lubricated wonderful meetinghouse Los Angeles has a 9.5 percent sales tax rate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37552076) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 9:30 PM Author: boyish frisky goal in life travel guidebook discretionary budget is about 30 percent of the federal budget FAGGOT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37555928) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:25 AM Author: Metal burgundy university laser beams "New York City’s middle class comprises 48 percent of city residents, with median annual incomes between $30,000 and $60,000.
Thirty-one percent make lower incomes . . . ."
https://nypost.com/2018/12/22/the-exodus-of-new-york-citys-endangered-middle-class/ |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 12:05 PM Author: coiffed turdskin station CR
so hypocritical |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:52 AM Author: Copper tanning salon twinkling uncleanness TBF, why do conturds go ape shit about teacher salaries but ignore cop and firefighters raping the system 10 times more, or the defense department literally PWNing 600b plus out of US taxpayers so they can blow some faggot shit up
Oh I know, cause conturds perceive cops and firefighters and military faggots are more likely to be BIRDSHIT males than bitch teachers
LJL AT U MORONS |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 5:01 AM Author: charismatic lodge sweet tailpipe Those jobs are legit dangerous and have bad hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550301) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 5:03 AM Author: Maize hell inner city teacher in LA is legit dangerous too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550302) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 5:04 AM Author: charismatic lodge sweet tailpipe Fair enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550303) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 9:39 AM Author: zombie-like community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550920) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 9:40 AM Author: Flirting Fishy Library does LA even have an inner city? the whole place looks like one big suburban mexican ghetto (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550930) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:32 AM Author: well-lubricated wonderful meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551561) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 5:27 AM Author: pink persian OP has been warning us of the firefighter menace for years now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550311) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 9:05 AM Author: tan range Many xo threads have been made about the 150k california fire fighters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550790) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 6:31 AM Author: mildly autistic fantasy-prone faggotry Yeah, we totally missed the whole firefighter thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550420) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 8:55 AM Author: Flirting Fishy Library we complain about that too. XO general consensus is that all govt employees are obnoxious rent seekers and GC cucks work to subsidize their bullshit. libs are the ones shrieking at the moment how horrible Trump is for giving fed employees a vacation they will eventually get paid for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550755) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 8:54 AM Author: flickering aphrodisiac whorehouse raise those taxes! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550751) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 8:58 AM Author: Light flatulent milk clown They are ignoring their pensions. Their real salary is more like $110k compared to a private sector salary without pension. They are also ignoring their 7 hours a day, 8.5 months a year schedule. Their pay is really more like $155k compared to a regular year round job.
Teacher is one of the best paid jobs anywhere. |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:35 AM Author: fragrant casino you seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact these heroes spend $15 of THEIR OWN MONEY on pencils and notebook paper at the beginning of every year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551589) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:50 AM Author: Lake Crotch Legend This is nowhere close to true. Even if she has great pension benefits and great medical benefits, she still only makes $72,000. She has to pay like 10.25% of that into CalSTRS, plus 1.45% to Medicare, in addition to her health insurance premiums and whatever income taxes she may owe. That reduces her cash flow heftily; likely more so than a private sector worker. The point here is that for someone in this income range, cash to pay for housing is a big deal and she’s not getting enough cash. So it’s not like a $110,000 salary. Not at all. With respect to your claim about her pension affecting her retirement benefits, you have to remember that a career teacher will not normally be entitled to a SS retirement benefit, and even if they are through their spouse or other employment, the windfall elimination provision may apply to reduce those benefits. It’s not like these pension plans all work to make teachers rich as fuck when they retire. Teachers also put in more than 7 hours per school day, but yes, they do work fewer work days than most employees. |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 12:16 PM Author: Thriller Dull Organic Girlfriend Party Of The First Part is the contribution to calstrs an expense to her or just something that removes current expendable cash? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551831) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 5:11 PM Author: Light flatulent milk clown See how much you would have to contribute to a 401k or IRA annually to get the value of a teacher's pension. In many cases, it is 100% of salary for life after 30 years. You would have to save 30k++ a year if not more, depending on investment returns, to equal that pension. Also, these teachers are guaranteed sufficient returns without having to take any investment risk like the rest of us.
Teachers who are not entitled to social security benefits also don't have to make social security contributions of 6.2%. Thus, their salary is 6.2% higher. If your calstrs claim is right, then their effective contribution is more like 4% (after deducting SS contributions they don't have to make, but the rest of us do). |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 9:34 PM Author: vermilion supple dilemma sex offender lobstah, please respond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37555980) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 10:21 PM Author: Azure Heady Regret Parlor Cogent and devastating response rather than just lolling at lobstah's retardation. Most people are incapable of understanding the value of GUARANTEED LIFELONG payments (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37556348) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 10:35 PM Author: Lake Crotch Legend Your point about not paying into SS on the front end is well taken, yes, the net effect is that the teacher's contribution amount is reduced. My original point was that retards that salivate over teacher pensions do not tend to take into account the fact that a career teacher is probably not going to have a social security benefit. And, even if they do, based on their spouse or from some other career, they are subject to the windfall elimination provision. You don't address this point at all. Second, your claim that a teacher gets 100% of salary after just 30 years is unfounded. A new teacher under CalSTRS could qualify for a maximum benefit of 2.4% per service year if they retire at 65. So, a career teacher who comes out of college, starts working at 23 and has a successful career and retires at 65, could have a 100% benefit but that's after 42 years of teaching. Additionally, that would be based on the teacher's highest 36 months. See: http://www.calstrs.com/sites/main/files/file-attachments/mh2015_03_yourdefinedbenefitmembership.pdf You also need to account for the fact that this benefit amount--after a 42 year teaching career--isn't going to be inflation adjusted. So assuming you have a teacher that lives to be 105, she's going to be earning a lot less at 105 than she did at 65. Your point about teachers not taking investment risk is also off base. Any pension beneficiary is always at risk of the pension plan trying to get its benefit formulas changed and reductions in payouts of benefits. These pension plans are not free money being doled out left and right to teachers. Teachers don't make a lot of money and even if they wind up having well-funded retirements, they earned it by teaching for all of those years.
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Date: January 8th, 2019 8:58 AM Author: comical reading party famous landscape painting Some NYC school janitors made double her salary nine years ago, LJL.
https://nypost.com/2010/11/08/janitors-clean-up/ |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 9:05 AM Author: tan range She forgot to mention she doesn't pay for her healthcare either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550788) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 9:14 AM Author: comical reading party famous landscape painting And I presume when she retires by age 50, she will continue to make her salary for the rest of her life while pursuing anything else she wants to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550818) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 9:38 AM Author: tan range Every boomer "teacher" in my family has an excellent pension + 1 million liquid in the bank. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37550917) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:23 AM Author: well-lubricated wonderful meetinghouse Did they teach in california? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551517) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:47 AM Author: tan range No! Not even. This is in fucking Pennsylvania.
Upmarket district, though. In CA this bitch is making 72k teaching in the hood. |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:16 PM Author: well-lubricated wonderful meetinghouse That's good salary... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553471) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 11:21 AM Author: well-lubricated wonderful meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551500) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 12:03 PM Author: coiffed turdskin station well, I make $75k and xo insists I live in poverty (I don't of course - I fucking traveled to Paris and Argentina in the last calendar year) so how are they not justified in wanting more?
make up your mind, xo |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 12:14 PM Author: well-lubricated wonderful meetinghouse Bc if we raise their salaries, they will raise taxes. It's either my family or a teachers family. I will always s put mine first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551824) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 12:42 PM Author: impressive ultramarine shitlib plaza oh, you travel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551984) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:13 PM Author: bossy amethyst church building sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553462) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:13 PM Author: onyx legal warrant marketing idea Teachers get 4 months off plus pension (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553461) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:50 PM Author: zombie-like community account Amazes me that such a chill, ample paying profession is in such desperate need for candidates. You’d think there’d be a huge waiting list the way xo describes it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553679) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 5:01 PM Author: Chocolate razzle theater Paris and Argentina! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553767) |
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Date: January 10th, 2019 11:20 AM Author: coiffed turdskin station shut up idiot
I wasn't bragging about traveling, just pointing out that I have enough discretionary income to travel abroad twice a year (well actually three times because I went to the Caribbean too. ,:)). "Poor" people live paycheck to paycheck and can't afford any extras. |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 12:11 PM Author: bateful doctorate pistol I will never get this. People will bitch about teachers asking for higher pay but defend to the death the right for GC slime like Bezos to keep their money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551799) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 12:26 PM Author: Ebony Hissy Fit These “people” aka republicans are braindead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551878) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 12:33 PM Author: well-lubricated wonderful meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551929) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 12:40 PM Author: impressive ultramarine shitlib plaza lots of republicans defending Bezos idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37551972) |
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Date: January 13th, 2019 11:12 AM Author: bateful doctorate pistol Republicans are the only thing stopping the next congress from going full New Deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37583573) |
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Date: January 10th, 2019 11:21 AM Author: coiffed turdskin station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37565435) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:17 PM Author: sickened hospital roommate People know teachers and many hate them or at least think they aren’t entitled to more money because their jobs are easy. Very few people know someone like Bezos so they buy into the myth that he earned his billions fair and square and should keep them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553477) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:40 PM Author: Copper tanning salon twinkling uncleanness lol most amerikkkans are just bitter cruel assholes, they dont know any fuking teachers and enver wld want to be one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553616) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 4:53 PM Author: Irradiated Violet Candlestick Maker Codepig I would kill Bezos and take away the teacher's money. ARE Reptile for POTUS! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553697) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 9:36 PM Author: vermilion supple dilemma sex offender Is this really true? You've set up a strawman. Most people hate both - entitled public servants and plutocrats.
I don't think there are too many that would "defend to the death the right for GC slime like Bezos to keep their money." |
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Date: January 9th, 2019 11:16 AM Author: bateful doctorate pistol Do you support a 70% marginal tax on income above 10 million? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37558742) |
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Date: January 10th, 2019 11:22 AM Author: coiffed turdskin station uh did you see the thread on AOC proposing 70% taxes on the rich? Most boot licking posters were arguing til they ran out of breath why the rich should be allowed to keep their money (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37565444) |
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Date: January 10th, 2019 11:20 AM Author: coiffed turdskin station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37565433) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 5:01 PM Author: Bipolar Deranged Locale I would happily fucking pay you if your students’ outcomes are better. That’s how you get promoted in the real world: you deliver. California public schools are a joke — even if there’s racial disparities in IQ or whatever, has this bitch delivered relatively better results for her students? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553766) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 5:16 PM Author: tan range "all my friends own something, so, I should too." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553882) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 10:05 PM Author: Cordovan fear-inspiring tank nibblets (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37556264) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 10:23 PM Author: Azure Heady Regret Parlor Hey let's put her in charge of teaching are youth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37556362) |
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Date: January 8th, 2019 5:17 PM Author: well-lubricated wonderful meetinghouse 180!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37553886) |
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Date: January 10th, 2019 11:25 AM Author: coiffed turdskin station this just dissuades people from wanting to work in shit neighborhoods
the teachers who are teaching the longest get to decide where to teach first, and new teachers are stuck with what's left over so the shit schools ,(which need the good seasoned teachers the most) will just be stuck with the new shitty teachers even moreso than they already are |
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Date: January 10th, 2019 1:29 PM Author: Bipolar Deranged Locale it's almost like those with more experience get better jobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37566441) |
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Date: January 10th, 2019 4:39 PM Author: well-lubricated wonderful meetinghouse Experience is not the same as skill or competence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4172781&forum_id=2#37567979) |
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