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Here's the thing about Mike Mussina
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:15 PM Author: light bossy elastic band I'm a Moosemo I guess, but he really is a borderline case. Here are some Mussina factoids:
-Never won the Cy Young. Had seven top-five finishes. (Was runner-up once, in 1999; should have won it in 2001, when he finished fifth.)
-Never led the league in ERA, strikeouts, or WHIP. He led the league in wins once.
-Won 20 games only once (the last year of his career).
-Was nothing special in the postseason (7-8, 3.42).
-Spent much of his career among the top 20 pitchers in MLB, at times in the top 10, but was never regarded as a truly elite pitcher at any phase of his career.
He was sort of a rich man's Bert Blyleven, a very good pitcher who hung around, stayed healthy, and turned in solid seasons, year after year. Even with that effort, he only ended up with 270 wins. (To the poster who mentioned in the other thread that he played on bad Orioles teams-- this isn't really true. The Orioles in the mid-1990s were good. And all the Yankee teams he played on, except in 2008, made the playoffs.) |
Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:17 PM Author: wild motley den indirect expression http://averysimplegame.com/underrated-mike-mussina-hall-famer/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37644538) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:21 PM Author: Curious locus Correct. That's not hall of fame stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37644576) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:26 PM Author: Fluffy Doctorate He’s no Jim Rice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37644611) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:27 PM Author: big fat ankles prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37644617) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:34 AM Author: learning disabled home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646883) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:50 AM Author: Fluffy Doctorate Hey man, Harmon Killebrew is a pretty borderline hall of famer as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646999) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:54 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria didn't he fuck a poaster's grandmother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647020) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:02 PM Author: Blathering concupiscible lettuce Nope he can’t darken the door of the institution and denigrate the accomplishments of Harold Baines and Kirby Puckett (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647069) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:03 PM Author: learning disabled home LOL'd audibly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647082) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 9:58 AM Author: light bossy elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646284) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:17 AM Author: Fluffy Doctorate Meh, let’s move on to current pitchers hof chances. Top 10 by bwar.
Verlander - yes Sabathia - yes Kerahaw - yes Greinke - yes, especially if he has a couple more good seasons Hamels - no Scherezer - yes, although would be interesting if he falls off cliff King Félix - borderline - looks like he is done here, which won’t help his chances Bartolo - no Lester - no, but if pitches at level til 40 could get some traction. Sale - on track for HOF
Degrom, Price, Kluber, Strasburg and Baumgarner could also be in the mix depending on how their careers go. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:27 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle preventive strike casino its crazy outside of Kershaw and Sabathia I have little idea who most of those faggots are. Back in the 90's I knew the name of almost every single MLB player. Isnt Verlander the guy who creampied Kate Upton's ass in doggy position. I think he deserves the HOF just for that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646446) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:40 AM Author: light bossy elastic band 👍🏻 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646528) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:41 AM Author: Curious locus yeah he's also an incredible pitcher, absolutely lights out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646533) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:30 AM Author: burgundy jap how dare you, colon is the GOAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646473) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:40 AM Author: Curious locus CC is a NO
Felix is NO
Greinke NEEDS TO DO MORE
Strasburg and Price are gonna be NO, others we'll see.
Love Bartolo, Id vote for him even though he prob should be NO
Lester is def NO
Hoping OHTANI makes it to YES |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:44 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria If Mussina is in, CC is a borderline case (I know your egregious bahhhston fag schtick but cmon)
Greinke is close - again, a few more of above avg seasons and I think he makes it in, def not first ballot though
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:45 AM Author: Curious locus Mussina is a NO for me too, and I dont adjust my standards just becasue faggy sportswriters made a mistake
fully admit boston bias but i think objectively CC is NOT a hall of fame pitcher |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:46 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria Then we are in agreement. THought you had yes on Moose
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:45 AM Author: Fluffy Doctorate Yeah, didn’t realize Statsburg has only pitched 200 innings once - needs to step it up.
I want CC in because I don’t want to see articles for 10 years about whether he is being discriminated against for being a fat black alcoholic.
Hamels also has a better case than I realized; he had a decent 2018 (I missed it because it was split between two teams), so he might also put himself in the mix if he lasts to 40. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:39 PM Author: Spruce Stage Strasburg is fucking done here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647792) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:43 AM Author: tan vivacious university cuckoldry Ljl at Sabathia. He has a 3.7 career era dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646541) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:47 AM Author: Fluffy Doctorate Hall of famer Jack Morris has a 3.9!
He’ll also get 3k strikeouts this year - everyone else with that mark besides Schilling and Clemens is in the HOF |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:49 AM Author: Curious locus Jack Morris is another ridiculous induction. I guarantee you fans were never like 'we're in the presence of a legend' when watching jack fucking morris (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646605) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:35 AM Author: learning disabled home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646894) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:59 AM Author: aromatic french mad cow disease senate Morris just knew how to pitch well when people were watching. A no-hitter in a national TV game to open the '84 season. Two CG wins in the '84 WS. Three consecutive CG shutouts in '86, and would've won the Cy if Clemens hadn't gone berzerk. The '91 WS 10 inning game. Etc.
He's also a classic example of someone who didn't get in initially because "ooo he's a meanie to jocksniffing writers" and I'm sympathetic to that to a certain extent. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:50 AM Author: burgundy jap Jack Morris also shouldn't be in the HOF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646610) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:01 AM Author: Galvanic puppy police squad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646704) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 9:07 AM Author: Honey-headed gas station Didn't he have a ridiculous number of wins? I vaguely recall noticing that he would always be among the league leaders in wins but nowhere to be found on ERA.
Edit: not as pronounced as I thought. Only two 20 win seasons but a bunch more of 17-18 wins. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:43 AM Author: light bossy elastic band Sabathia is in a Mussina-type position, although he did have a year or two where he was a legit top 5 starter. He will be a borderline case. He’s only going to end up with 255ish wins. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646542) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:41 PM Author: Spruce Stage CC has a way better case than Moose. When he played for the Brewers, he was the best pitcher in baseball. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647804) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:45 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria Degrom and Kluber broke out too late.
Although it's possible still given that Randy Johnson had his 4 Cy Youngs in a row in his 30s but still |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:48 AM Author: Fluffy Doctorate Degrom just needs a few more chill 10 WAR seasons. Nbd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646590) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:51 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria Randy Johnson from age 33 to 41:
159 W 72 L 2.81 ERA 2072.2 IP 2663K 2.77 FIP, 162 ERA+ and 67.5 bWAR |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:51 AM Author: Curious locus how do you think he managed that? the tall lanky frame? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646627) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:53 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria The dude hit 92 mph at age 47 so yeah maybe
I don't really give a shit if they did roids tbh
Bonds and Clemens deserve to be in |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:57 AM Author: Curious locus Its the fucking joke of the millennium that Bonds and Clemens arent in. The whole institution is a fucking farce so long as the best player of the last 50 years isnt in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646673) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:58 AM Author: burgundy jap *ever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646682) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:59 AM Author: Curious locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646688) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:00 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria 232 walks in 2004.
120 IBBs. Insane that they just basically decided to just walk him with bases loaded |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:02 AM Author: burgundy jap Insane that a fucking slashline of .362/.609/.812 wasn't even one of his two best years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646710) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:54 AM Author: Fragrant french chef But Griffey's so cool - he wore his hat backwards! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647026) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:02 PM Author: burgundy jap TBF I thought Griffey was better than Bonds growing up a MARINERSNUT in the 90s
I was wrong though |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:03 PM Author: Fragrant french chef Yeah, Griffey was my favorite player. But even pre-roids Bonds was a better hitter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647084) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:04 PM Author: burgundy jap cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647091) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:02 AM Author: Curious locus it was fucking unreal. espn would cut into broadcasts just to show bonds ABs. must see TV for the entire country. thats what the hall should be about. wow mussina had another sub 4.00 ERA, big fucking deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646713) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:58 AM Author: Iridescent halford church the hall is for more people than barry bonds and roger clemens and babe ruth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647058) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:42 PM Author: Spruce Stage By your logic, should Jamie Moyer and Tim Wakefield be in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647820) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:56 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria Also insane - Curt Schilling not in b/c of politics
While Chipper JOnes, a Sandy Hook Truther, is in.
Like cmon if you're gonna be a shitlib faggot at least be consistent |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:02 PM Author: aromatic french mad cow disease senate because Chipper Jones was nice one time to Mort Finkelstein of the Stamford Herald and his son Artie and Curt Schilling wasn't. it's that simple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647074) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:04 PM Author: Fragrant french chef Chipper is chill & fratty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647086) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:24 AM Author: cobalt charismatic range party of the first part yeah i mean it feels like a hall of famer should have at least some extended portion of his career where he was a dominant force at his position. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646426) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:58 AM Author: Curious locus i agree with you Dupa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646679) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:25 AM Author: Fragrant french chef He had 11 seasons in the AL top 10 in WAR for pitchers. He was basically a top 5-20 pitcher in baseball every year for ~15 years.
To put that in perspective: - Ken Griffey Jr had 6 years in the top 10 of WAR for position players - Derek JEter had 4 years |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:42 AM Author: Curious locus pitcher is one position. you should compare jeter to top 10 WaR for SS and Griffey to WAR for CF for comparison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646538) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:50 AM Author: Galvanic puppy police squad No, it's a fair comparison. Teams have 25-man rosters, and usually 12 or 13 of those are pitchers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646614) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:53 AM Author: Curious locus only five of them are starting pitchers, and even then rotations change during the year making even fewer people possible competitors for top WAR. its not apples to apples at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646647) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:02 AM Author: Galvanic puppy police squad Relievers are just shitty starters for the most part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646715) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:45 AM Author: Iridescent halford church is this a joke? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646965) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:43 PM Author: Spruce Stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647827) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:53 AM Author: Fragrant french chef Definitely not. The 4th best starter on a team plays as often as the ace. The second string shortstop rides the bench. Every roster has about an equal split bewtween pitchers and position players. Being a top 10 pitcher (starter or reliever) is like being a top 10 non-pitcher player, not a top 10 player at any one of 8 positions.
But if you want to compare total WAR (position players & pitchers combined and measured against each other): Griffey had 6 top 10s, Mussina 5 top 10s, Jeter 4 top 10s. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:56 AM Author: Curious locus 4th best starter almost certainly does not get as many IP as the ace, for a number of reasons. also even in the best case for your analogy, teams have five SP (and SP is the only pitcher reasonably likely to amass WAR in any significant amount), whereas all teams have 8 regular position players. Not a good analogy.
But if you want me to agree Jeter shouldnt be in the hall, sign me up |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:05 AM Author: Fragrant french chef My point was that every team has 4-5 "every day players" at the pitcher position (and arguably 7-9 if you count relievers racking up typical reliever innings) and about 1.1 for every other position. So saying being a top 10 pitcher in the AL is the equivalent of being a top 10 SS in the AL is silly. The more apt comparison is to being a top 10 position player (although maybe not a perfect one). Saying a pitcher shouldn't get in because he was never the best in any given year, only top ~10 in MLB for most of 15 years is crazy, because hitters aren't held to that standard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646733) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:47 AM Author: Iridescent halford church lol at this Boston homerism.
let me guess, Jeter with his .310 career average and 6th most hits all time doesn't deserve to get in, but Big Papi does lmao |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:45 PM Author: Spruce Stage If you were a pitcher, who would you rather face with the game on the line? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647846) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 7:08 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone twinkling lay If you were a pitcher, which would you rather have playing defense if you were on the mound? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37652532) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:27 AM Author: effete exhilarant station tattoo Never ever when he took the mound did you think the game was a given for his team. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646447) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:30 AM Author: burgundy jap (boomer sportswriter) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646470) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:43 AM Author: Curious locus CREDITED
i doubt anyone ever dropped what they were doing and said "MUSSINA IS PITCHING TONIGHT, MUST WATCH"
When Pedro was on the mound, that was the case. Randy Johnson too. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:45 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria Did people do that with Tom Glavine and John Smoltz? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646559) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:46 AM Author: Curious locus prob not, though i was conditioned in the 90s to think that braves staff was just otherworldly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646576) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:48 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle preventive strike casino protip: it was esp once they got maddux too, that was legit insane maddux glavine smoltz avery (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646589) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:48 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria Maddux was the only one out of those 3 that was truly transcendental
Glavine & Smoltz would not have been first ballot HoFers had they not been part of that Braves staff
Also a shame that Maddux's best 2 years were cut short by the strike |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:52 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle preventive strike casino glavine was fucking insane, wtf r u talking abt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646630) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:52 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria Glavine was great, but not on the level of Maddux, Pedro and Randy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646635) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:05 PM Author: Blathering concupiscible lettuce No one is disagreeing with that but that is not the standard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647095) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:15 PM Author: Iridescent halford church Correct.
The hall has always had 2 types of players.
You have the inner-hall type guys like Mays, Aaron, Ruth, Maddux, Seaver, Randy Johnson, Mickey Mantle, etc.
Then you have the outer-hall type guys like Jeff Bagwell, Tom Glavine, Robin Yount, Lou Brock, Roberto Alomar, Barry Larkin, Willie Stargell, Ryne Sandberg, hell even Nolan Ryan imo is outer hall. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:47 PM Author: Spruce Stage More than Mussina. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647857) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:47 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle preventive strike casino nigga, if i was looking to buy baseball tickets and i know mussina was pitching versus some other bitch of course id prefer mussina (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646585) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:51 AM Author: Curious locus thats not the test i was imposing. mussina was a very good pitcher. he was never 'abandon all hope, we're facing mike mussina tonight' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646617) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:45 AM Author: aromatic french mad cow disease senate we need to accept that the Hall of Fame as we knew it as kids is dead and we're just letting in guys now that were friends with jock-sniffing baseball beat writers. i'm stunned scott hatteberg didn't get hall of fame votes, i mean four people voted for bill mueller (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646555) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:47 AM Author: Curious locus lmao
but fuck that. we need to fight back against the shitification of the hof |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:00 AM Author: Fluffy Doctorate No the hall of fame as always been like this. Frankie Frisch took it to the next level in the 70s and the mass induction of negro leaguers in 2006 didn’t help. It’s not like they are letting in 10 guys a year too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646689) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:01 AM Author: Curious locus yeah but the push is in that direction. read reddit baseball sometime if you want to kill yourself, all those dudes are pushing for the big hall and pillory anyone who doesnt vote for the max players on the ballot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646707) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:03 AM Author: burgundy jap "read reddit... sometime if you want to kill yourself"
cr advice friend |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:03 AM Author: Curious locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646723) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:10 AM Author: Fluffy Doctorate Max ballot makes sense with Clemens/Bonds wasting space. Jeter is only first ballot guy for next two years, so should ease the pain.
My take is that they will let in Jeter and maybe Walker next year (along with the Veterans committe guys - maybe Dale Murphy and/or Lou Whitaker), then let in the bad boys in 2021 (Bonds, Clemens, Schilling). How A-Rod is dealt with in 2022 will be interesting - current line seems to drawn at no to guys who were suspended. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:17 AM Author: aromatic french mad cow disease senate i mean Lou Whitaker? jesus christ
I'd open a pack of Donruss cards in like 89 or 90 and there'd ALWAYS be a fucking lou whitaker card and i'd just sigh and move on |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:18 AM Author: Fragrant french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646800) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:20 AM Author: Curious locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646808) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:32 AM Author: Fluffy Doctorate (Rascist)
He was also past his peak by then.
Not saying he should be in, but more worthy than Baines. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:58 PM Author: Disgusting slate main people tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647944) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2019 11:37 AM Author: burgundy jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#38575171) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:14 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria /r/baseball is actually still one of the better sports subreddits imo
on the whole they're more knowledgeable than the dregs of /r/nfl or /r/nba that thinks Harden has already surpassed KObe ljl |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:20 AM Author: Curious locus bro i see you all over that subreddit all the time, its lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646807) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:21 AM Author: Fragrant french chef lmao
Is he a Dodgersmo? Mariners? I always forget. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:23 AM Author: Curious locus he's an insane dodgersmo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646818) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:38 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria legit insane dodgers/lakersmo here sup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646917) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:38 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria I spend more time there these days than doing actual work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646911) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:40 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria also I got banned from /r/nba b/c I told some knicks faggot to jump off the 59 st bridge
and got banned from /r/soccer for making one simple Auschwitz joke jfc reddit is gay |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:41 AM Author: Curious locus lol u following asian cup dude? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646936) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:44 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria Yeah Korea's been absofuckinglute ass
They're gonna get embarrassed by Qatar and if by some stroke of luck they actually beat'em, they'll get dad-dicked by LUIS |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:45 AM Author: Curious locus qatar sucks, korea should beat them. reckon they could lost to aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646964) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:53 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria Qatar has been surprisingly decent this tournament
Australia on the whole disappointing
It's between Iran & Japan at this point tbh unless Son goes on a fucking TEAR |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 11:07 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37660288) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 11:07 AM Author: Curious locus lol KOREAPWNED guess XO Japan is gonna win (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37660292) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 11:28 AM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria I'm rooting for LUIS from here now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37660478) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 11:28 AM Author: Curious locus that semi is prob for the title (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37660489) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:23 AM Author: titillating institution international law enforcement agency He pitched in an era in the al east when even randy Johnson has eras of 4 in the division (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646821) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:25 AM Author: Curious locus go listen to some drake chandler. johnson didnt pitch in the al east until he was 41 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646829) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:27 AM Author: cobalt charismatic range party of the first part absolutely devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646841) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:50 PM Author: Spruce Stage Randy was 45. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647880) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:43 AM Author: obsidian razzmatazz parlor potus he was great during his stint with the oilers but the cup he won with the rangers in '94 shouldn't even count (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37646947) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:56 AM Author: Iridescent halford church I can't understand how everyone routinely underrates players who are close to the top for 15 years.
Mussina was one of the top starters in the league for 15 years. that as just as elite as someone who has 5 "transcendent" years and then some more average ones. people really underestimate how tough it is to be very very good over a long period of time. being very very good for 15 year IS elite, whether you like it or not.
as i've said before, in some respects a guy who is consistently very good is actually probably a more valuable player than a Cy Young level guy who plays at that level for 5 years and then drops off. it's extraordinarily beneficial for a team and a GM to rely on those very good guys, and you can structure your team around them. the stars who burn brighter for less time often lead to bad contracts and dead weight that causes a team to struggle. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:03 PM Author: aromatic french mad cow disease senate you've made an awesome case that Mike Mussina should be in the front foyer of the Hall of Very Good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647083) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:06 PM Author: burgundy jap This would be a much cleverer retort if we were talking about the Hall of Great (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647096) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:07 PM Author: Iridescent halford church this is such a stupid, low IQ comment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647099) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:09 PM Author: aromatic french mad cow disease senate there's probably a lot of good arguments for Moose being in, whatever your screed was just wasn't one of them, sorry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647116) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:07 PM Author: Blathering concupiscible lettuce Yup we have to reserve the hall of fame for harold baines (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647105) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:09 PM Author: aromatic french mad cow disease senate harold baines blows man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647113) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:12 PM Author: light bossy elastic band We agree on something! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647130) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:53 PM Author: Spruce Stage Just because they made a mistake with Baines doesn't mean the mistake needs to be repeated over and over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647904) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:17 PM Author: Fragrant french chef Many guys in the hall were never more than consistent top 10-20ish players or pitchers, including first ballot guys like Vlad, Chipper, Jeter, Thome, Glavine, Smoltz. Check out how many times any of these guys was the best pitcher in his league (by WAR, FIP, or ERA+) or the best position player (WAR) or hitter in his league (OPS+). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647175) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:19 PM Author: Iridescent halford church agreed.
imo black ink is overrated. black ink over a short period of time isn't more valuable to me than gray ink over a long period of time. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:55 PM Author: Spruce Stage Repeat All Star Game starter type players are the difference between HOF good and not HOF good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647920) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:11 PM Author: light bossy elastic band (Guy who fellates Bert Blyleven) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647124) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 12:17 PM Author: Iridescent halford church he should 100% be in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647171) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2019 11:39 AM Author: burgundy jap keep talking shit abt Bert Blyleven faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#38575191) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:52 PM Author: Spruce Stage It isn't the What's Best for the GM Hall of Fame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647889) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 12:33 AM Author: aromatic french mad cow disease senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37651909) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:51 AM Author: Curious locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37652516) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:34 PM Author: pontificating supple faggotry Schilling>>>>>>>>Mussina (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647753) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:38 PM Author: Fragrant french chef They're very close. Both were consistent top 10ish pitchers in baseball for about 15 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647783) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:47 PM Author: pontificating supple faggotry Schilling is one of the greatest postseason pitchers of all time so that separates them to me. Also, he was on some lousy Phillies teams for the first half of his career and still put up respectable numbers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647855) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:55 PM Author: Fragrant french chef I'd probably give Schilling a slight edge on Mussina for his career (more of a power pitcher/a bit more dominant, more post season success) vs Mussina's extra 55 wins. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647923) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 2:01 PM Author: Iridescent halford church Huge Moose fan here -- I'd probably also give Schilling the slightest of edges, but in my mind Glavine, Smoltz, Schilling, Mussina are all equivalent pitchers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647979) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:39 PM Author: Spruce Stage Bartolo Colon has a better case than Moose. Both cases are primarily based on longevity as serviceable pitchers, but Colon was also the best pitcher in the AL for a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647785) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:42 PM Author: Fragrant french chef Colon wasn't even top 10 in pitching WAR the year he was gifted the "Cy" Young (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647818) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:42 PM Author: Spruce Stage WAR is flame. I judge by wins and the eye test. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647823) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:44 PM Author: Fragrant french chef Does your eye test say Colon was better than Johan Santana in 2005 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647837) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:46 PM Author: Spruce Stage Santana got by on his change up as a crutch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647851) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 2:03 PM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647998) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:47 PM Author: Iridescent halford church Mussina's win pct is 70 points higher than colon's (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647854) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:55 PM Author: cobalt charismatic range party of the first part wins is a legit fraud stat for pitchers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647917) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 2:04 PM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria yfwgi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37648004) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:50 PM Author: Curious locus cr im so sick of people just lazily throwing out WAR these days and calling it a day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37651251) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:31 AM Author: wild motley den indirect expression (drunk bostonian about to fall off the monster arguing for wakefield's induction) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37652497) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 9:25 AM Author: burgundy jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37652810) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 9:26 AM Author: Curious locus hey man timmy was good in pittsburgh too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37652817) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 12:27 PM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37653943) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2019 11:38 AM Author: Fragrant french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#38575178) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2019 11:38 AM Author: Iridescent halford church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#38575183) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 12:29 PM Author: Chrome School Cafeteria WAR is flawed, but bringing wins back into the equation is like throwing out your precision knives for stone tools b/c the former isn't perfect (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37653952) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:50 PM Author: burgundy jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37647879) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:50 PM Author: Curious locus CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37651244) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:31 PM Author: Flirting azn consistent excellence is greatness. He absolutely should be in the HOF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37651124) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:50 PM Author: erotic trump supporter resort He was a gentleman and a Stanford scholar, nobody like him before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37651243) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 12:41 AM Author: Disturbing bisexual mexican stead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3xkQlFGpuk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37651952) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:30 AM Author: wild motley den indirect expression here's the thing: defend the '92 and '01 cy young votes also Ks are overrated. would rather my starter use his defense and get 3 outs throwing 10 pitches via weak grounders and soft pop ups than firing 20+ pitches to stikeout the side. moose was extremely effective at pitching to soft contact and an efficient innings eater, an underrated stat. was also the maddux of the AL at fielding his position: 7x gg |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:53 AM Author: Curious locus 92 Clemens should have won (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37652518) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 6:58 AM Author: wild motley den indirect expression yeah probably. but he and moose were neck and neck as clearly most deserving. instead neither finished in the t2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37652523) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 8:54 AM Author: light bossy elastic band Lol, the 1992 vote was a joke. It was sort of an achievement award for Eckersley, who perhaps should’ve won it in 1990. But if anyone else should’ve won, it was Clemens, not Mussina. Lol @ Mussina’s tiny pink 130 Ks in 240 IP— it really was a different time.
Mussina had a very good claim in 2001, and arguably should’ve won. |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 9:25 AM Author: Curious locus forgot that the eck won the fucking MVP in 92. insane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37652815) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 9:29 AM Author: light bossy elastic band Totally insane, even if it was a weak field. Should’ve been XO Kirby Puckett (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37652822) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 9:31 AM Author: Curious locus actually clemens should have won mvp, but ill accept xo kirby since i had this poaster on my wall as a kid
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/524810162804563020 |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 9:55 AM Author: light bossy elastic band 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37652934) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 11:05 AM Author: Iridescent halford church 180. Puckett was my favorite player as a kid. My Kirby Puckett rookie card was the crown jewel of my collection (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37653374) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 11:59 AM Author: light bossy elastic band The first World Series that I really followed closely was the 1991 WS (which actually may be the greatest WS of all time). Game 6 was epic-- Puckett climbing over the fence to steal a homer in extra innings, then winning it with a walk-off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37653708) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2019 11:44 AM Author: Iridescent halford church right. and it's hard imo to make an argument AGAINST Puckett for not having an MVP. that was clearly and MVP-caliber season, and the voters got it wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#38575216) |
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Date: January 24th, 2019 9:53 AM Author: burgundy jap lol jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37652921) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2019 11:42 AM Author: burgundy jap lol jfc
edit: gdi made the exact same poast 6 months apart |
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Date: July 23rd, 2019 11:24 AM Author: Iridescent halford church cr.
also, things like the CYA and the MVP are also largely dependent on your competition that year.
for me the question is whether a player had 1 or more seasons that were CYA or MVP level. If the answer is yes, then that counts for me. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2019 11:33 AM Author: light bossy elastic band How many Cy Young caliber seasons did Moose have? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#38575143) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2019 11:36 AM Author: Iridescent halford church imo 2, and that's not counting the season where he finished 2nd.
also imo, Glavine and Smoltz had 1-2 such seasons, and Schilling had 3-4 |
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Date: February 7th, 2019 3:58 PM Author: light bossy elastic band If Jack Morris is in the HOF, David Cone should be. But fuck Curt Schilling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#37743680) |
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Date: July 16th, 2019 5:06 PM Author: light bossy elastic band Bump for Moose getting inducted into the HOF this upcoming weekend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#38541660) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2019 11:54 AM Author: soggy mentally impaired market Wait so no one in this whole thread mentioned that Mussina played basically his whole career in the steroid era and clearly wasn’t on roids (HGH maybe)? The fact that the PED context greatly favored hitters makes his ERA and strikeout numbers considerably more impressive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#38575277) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2019 12:50 PM Author: burgundy jap Doubt people are using counting stats to make their cases for/against
Agree he's HOF though |
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Date: July 23rd, 2019 12:52 PM Author: Iridescent halford church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#38575546) |
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Date: April 5th, 2020 11:13 AM Author: light bossy elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4184391&forum_id=2#39945625) |