The problem most cry-babies over at JDJive.com have is that they simply don't know how to read statistics. When they see that the the 75/25 salary range is 100K-60K, they automatically think that if they're in the Top 75% of their class, they're guaranteed to make 60K, or if they're in the top 25% of their class, they're guaranteed to make 100K.

These people don't take note that (a) these are *private practice* salaries; (b) the statistics are self-reported by alumni, and thereby open to falsification/inflation; and (c) many graduates fail to report their employment status/salary...usually the ones who are unemployed/underemployed and are ashamed of the money they're making.

These people also fail to take note that there are no "guarantees" when it comes to getting a job. If you are a horrible interviewer, a slob, or an otherwise anti-social person, you can have a great GPA and *still* get Dinged from a decent firm job. There's a lot of factors in landing an attorney position at a good firm. Law school GPA and the prestige of the law school you attended are often the two biggest factors, but there's tons of intangibles as well.

The salary reports I've seen are pretty clear on their face, but fools just give them a cursory glance and think that taking out $150K in loans for law school is a good idea so long as they're not at the dead bottom of their class.

Critical reading and analysis are the keys to any good attorney, and the folks who feel "suckered" by their law school brochures are already starting out on the wrong foot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427832&forum_id=2#5907932)

Edited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427832&forum_id=2#5907953)

We are the most litigious society on the planet, FAR more litigious than most other countries, and yet JD's still have a 3-5% unemployment rate, which is steadily growing with each new TTT law school that is created.

Much legal work is now being outsourced to paralegals/secretaries and other legally-trained professionals in India and parts of Southeast Asia. Law jobs are drying up all over the place, yet TTT's and FTT's are still cranking out grads that have relatively weak chances of passing the bar exam, and an even smaller chance of making a financially rewarding career as a lawyer.

TTT and FTT grads also drag down the nobility and prestige of the profession. Not only are many of them unqualified intellectually to handle complex cases (and so they become ambulance chasers, DUI specialists, insurance defense workers, and made-to-hire goons), but many of them lack the morals/ethics to perform as well.

Next time you open a local/regional legal magazine, check to see how many TTT's and FTT's were disbarred in the last month. Now compare that to the number of graduates disbarred from 1st and 2nd tier schools. The disparity is incredible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427832&forum_id=2#5908038)

Of that number, what % do you believe are graduates of TTTs/FTTs?

If you actually believe that plaintiff's lawyers aren't out for themselves, you don't know much about this profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427832&forum_id=2#5908149)

Feel free to test my theory and report back with your findings. I've already researched this issue and found that TTTs/FTTs are almost 2x more likely to be disbarred due to all sorts of professional improprieties than graduates of more respectable schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427832&forum_id=2#5908133)

You'll find it.

Once you find the disbarred attorneys, use Martindale.com to look up their acadmic pedigree.

(Yes, this is the type of shit I do in my spare time.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427832&forum_id=2#5908348)

And if you ask me how I know, I work in the area of professional liability (yes folks, thats under the giant umbrella category called "Insurance Defense") and I was amazed to see a percentage of claims filed against Skadden, Paul Hastings, Steptoe & Johnson, etc which never made it to a legal pleading because the Managing Partners quickly settled the claim before it leaked out to the rest of the legal world. I can't comment more because of privilege issues, but there is malpractice claims against bad attorneys - regardless of what law school they attended.

As an example of just some newsworthy items:

http://www.toplawfirm.com/bigfirms.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427832&forum_id=2#5908366)

1) TTTs are bad

2) TTT grads are disproportionately sanctioned for unethical behavior

3) either the TTTs are instilling unethical values in their students - or alternatively, students who can't score above a 163 tend to be unethical, while students who score above that magical number tend to be ethical.

4) thus, we should close down ttts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427832&forum_id=2#5908429)

>>TTT and FTT grads also drag down the nobility and prestige of the profession. <<

a) TTT and FTT - terms that mean nothing outside of XOXO.

b) nobility and prestige? That went out the window the minute the ABA began accrediting schools beyond the Ivy league in the early 1900s.

c) you forget that legal services are not only given to big corporations? What about the little guy who gets run over by a bus? The granddaughter who has a dispute with her family over the terms of a will? You dont think regular middle income Americans require legal services?? What about felons who are wrongfully convicted because they are a black man spotted on a street corner at 11 pm the same time a murder took place down the block??

>>Not only are many of them unqualified intellectually to handle complex cases (and so they become ambulance chasers, DUI specialists, insurance defense workers, and made-to-hire goons), but many of them lack the morals/ethics to perform as well. <<

Exactly who are you to judge the legal competence of professionals in these fields? You think everything in the world fits into nice, neat box-like categories?? Are you a Republican?? Your naiive writing speaks for itself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=427832&forum_id=2#5908411)