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Date: September 18th, 2019 11:19 PM Author: submissive mind-boggling church building alpha More and more work and they do it all. An in house person would just go home at 6 or slow roll it. But law firm attorneys just have to work all night no questions asked. Sick thing is that clients know it’s better to keep them real busy, so they don’t slow roll assignments and over bill you. Better to dump everything g on them at once. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38855105) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 8:44 PM Author: Trip impertinent institution jap CR.
I treat biglawers I hire like chattel slaves. I'm chill with botique bros I hire because they're cool and seem human. |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:16 AM Author: bistre heady heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38956390) |
Date: September 18th, 2019 11:41 PM Author: submissive mind-boggling church building alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38855167) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 8:01 AM Author: submissive mind-boggling church building alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38855762) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 9:55 AM Author: electric chest-beating stage hissy fit This is all very true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38856107) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 11:38 AM Author: aphrodisiac double fault hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38856569) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2019 3:20 PM Author: hairless death wish lay Many people are saying this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38869723) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 11:47 AM Author: disturbing domesticated tanning salon fortuitous meteor true, and another thing clients do to prevent overbilling is wait until the last second to tell you about a matter and all of a sudden there's a fire drill going on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38856602) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 2:46 PM Author: submissive mind-boggling church building alpha Of course. But can you blame them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38857556) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 9:59 PM Author: Lascivious location striped hyena this is actually very true. clients are actually getting a break when, for example, you're near or at trial and there simply isnt enough time in the day to chase down every lead and edit everything 50 times and have 10 people look at everything. everyone is billing 16-18 hour days but the work is getting done for much cheaper than it would ordinarily cost. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38859581) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:01 PM Author: vibrant metal knife stage cr, this secret is out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38859607) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:03 PM Author: walnut thirsty pocket flask “billing 16-18 hour days”
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:05 PM Author: Lascivious location striped hyena never been to trial? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38859639) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:07 PM Author: walnut thirsty pocket flask Not a lawyer. Didn’t know it was that bad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38859659) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:13 PM Author: Lascivious location striped hyena ur in a hotel in a remote city with your 10-20 attorneys, paralegals, secretaries for several weeks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38859686) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:15 PM Author: Well-lubricated business firm it fucking sucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38859703) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:16 PM Author: walnut thirsty pocket flask So it’s you and your best bros broing out in an exotic locale on the company’s dime? Doesn’t sound so bad actually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38859720) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:18 PM Author: plum cracking theater stage antidepressant drug Do you consider Cleveland exotic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38859731) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:21 PM Author: Lascivious location striped hyena i consider marshall, texas exotic. the rabbis of the gemara could have a whole tractate on the goyim there.
never actually had a trial there but a lot of patent trial were there. |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 12:24 PM Author: Honey-headed floppy abode CR. RIP sweet marshall, your giant SAMSUNG ice-skating rink, and your insular local bar of $550/hour Baylor & TAMU LS-grad attorneys who do nothing but rent-seeking local counsel work on patent-lit cases. You did well for a town a third of the size of my undergrad.
The TC Heartland majority should be forced to go there and witness firsthand the havoc they've wrought upon a 180 community. |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 12:31 PM Author: Lascivious location striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38873100) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:19 PM Author: Well-lubricated business firm It's you and a bunch of backbiting shrews who want to throw you under the bus for every fuckup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38859738) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 11:51 AM Author: Fighting bossy piazza "You forgot the article before the defined term International Affiliate on pg. 52. Was that on purpose? Also, I italicized the comma in your footnote so it complies with the BlueBook.
I already raised these issues with the head partner, so just passing this on for your records." |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:07 PM Author: Well-lubricated business firm *prepares noose* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38862212) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 11:42 AM Author: marvelous brunch giraffe I wouldn't be surprised if this is an actual email from someone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38872837) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 11:51 AM Author: Khaki Step-uncle's House Is this before a court that uses Bluebook or do they use an alternative style guide
Plz dot all Is on this one we don’t have to change all citations in midstream |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:20 PM Author: Lascivious location striped hyena it's actually not bad bc ur doing "real" work and closer to being a real lawyer if you're at a trial, rather than just some pointless exercise of paperpushing for a dumb case that is going to settle.
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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:24 PM Author: titillating naked kitchen keepsake machete Clients don't control trial schedules. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38862324) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:30 PM Author: Lascivious location striped hyena BEEP BEEP BEEP.
the point is that clients get a serious windfall when there are fire drills, and trial billing patterns support this fact. |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 9:53 AM Author: 180 house That's the difference between a COUNSEL mentality and a PARTNER mentality.
The COUNSEL makes a big cup of coffee, hunkers down, and works feverishly to accomplish the client's goals in two days. He feels proud for being a "great lawyer" and doing it in two days. He makes it seem effortless to the client (he wants to feel like a good lawyer) despite being exhausted and depressed. He likely billed no more than 30 hours over the two days. Maybe he has an associate help and bill another 4-5 hours.
The PARTNER tells the client they can get it done but that it will require ALL HANDS ON DECK. He doesn't give a shit about being a "good lawyer" (LJL at law dorks). He creates a sense of urgency and panic in the client for creating the fire drill. Instead of going at it alone like our dorky counsel friend, he staffs it with a service partner, a counsel, and four associates ("sorry about your weekend plans; remember that we'll look favorably on this during your review"). The associates are given overlapping make-work. The service partner reviews everything ("Attention to [X]"). The counsel? He still does the heavy lifting like a good dork. The outcome? The same two days but 80 hours are billed and the partner tells the client that it was "nearly impossible but we got it done." |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 11:34 AM Author: submissive mind-boggling church building alpha This is why clients often give assignments directly to counsels instead of to partners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38872780) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 2:24 PM Author: 180 house You can buy my PARTNER MENTALITY MASTER COURSE for three low monthly payments of $60 each. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38873722) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 3:07 PM Author: Galvanic haunted graveyard that is a fucking steal man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38873963) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 2:29 PM Author: Coiffed boyish native kitty cat MFCR
as i have said repeatedly, biglaw drives revenue less by rates and more by staffing. this is just another example of that. |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 2:59 PM Author: Lascivious location striped hyena agreed. this is why in-house lawyers are obviously in on the scam. F100 GCs love to give some quote to the WSJ every once in a while about how they dont wanna pay rising billing rates and they push back on rate increases to save face with their boards, but they wanna keep the revolving door to biglaw open for themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38873913) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 2:53 PM Author: aphrodisiac double fault hall As a client I’ve wrestled with whether to give certain assignments to a counsel or to a partner. I know that the counsel will no overstaff it, and that they are so busy already that they won’t overbill on it. But the counsel is also less able to pull in other resources such as associates, who may be gobbled up by partners on their matters. If I send the matter to the partner, I know that it will get done on time. And I know someone else will be doing the actual work, so every time I ask the partner a question it will be a little game of telephone waiting for him to (inefficiency) talk to the people doing the actual work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38873889) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:22 PM Author: pungent grizzly lodge athletic conference What time do biglawyers go home at on average? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38859752) |
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Date: September 19th, 2019 10:49 PM Author: submissive mind-boggling church building alpha 7-8PM. IME (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38859954) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2019 7:42 PM Author: Orange hunting ground I think most big lawyers work like 10:30 am to 6:30 pm or 7:00 pm on a normal day.
Then if their busy they might work until 10 pm or 2 am or something. But IME people aren't regularly working that long of hours. You sort of put in 8 hours or you put in 10-15 hours. |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 10:01 AM Author: Violent Avocado Mad-dog Skullcap Factory Reset Button anywhere from 6-8 ime. Then if a closing is coming up the hours go to 10 or 11pm with weekend on calls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38872375) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 11:38 AM Author: submissive mind-boggling church building alpha Get to work! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38861770) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 8:28 AM Author: Fighting bossy piazza *knock knock* as Monday eagerly waits to bum rush you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38872217) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 9:20 AM Author: Exciting cyan address gaping 9:00 am: get on the subway with no new emails and a clear vision for taking care of the 8 hours of work you have to do today
9:30 am: get off the subway and find 9 new emails, 3 supposed fire drills, 2 missed calls, a new meeting on your calendar set for 10:00, and a new matter you're staffed on |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 9:36 AM Author: Fighting bossy piazza 10:00 am invite:
Hope this time works. It was your only open slot for the day. I understand Karen has briefed you on the matter. The client is joining the call too, who by the way is very sensitive on the billing. I won't be on so please handle. Thanks. |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 10:12 AM Author: contagious arrogant boltzmann jew *client gets on and complains about legal fees* *asks for pointless summary chart of the summary memo of the purchase agreement* *partners wants revised drafts of all three documents today*
10:30am - 23 missed emails now, most recent one Subject: "???" Body: "Why is this not out yet?!" You have no idea what they are referring to.
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 10:31 AM Author: Fighting bossy piazza *Sender (Partner) has requested a read receipt*
You in a hurry call Karen to get some guidance:
"Hey! This is Karen. I am on vacation right now in Africa on safari, so I may not get to you until a few days later."
*Gets mailbox is full message* |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 11:35 AM Author: Fighting bossy piazza Partner: "It is now 11:40am and we have blown past the client deadline. Prioritize this and get it to client no later than mid afternoon. Call Karen with any issues. Out of pocket for the rest of the day traveling." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38872787) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 11:42 AM Author: 180 house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38872832) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 2:27 PM Author: Fighting bossy piazza Partner email:
"Have you sent the document? If so, I was not copied. Please forward me your email sending the documents to the client. Also please CC Karen and BCC Moishe and Morty from Tax."
10 mins later
"Check your outbox. Still haven't received anything. Neither has Morty." |
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Date: September 24th, 2019 9:42 AM Author: Fighting bossy piazza *PostIt note on your monitor in barely legible handwriting*
STOP BY FIRST THING THIS AM |
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Date: September 25th, 2019 11:52 PM Author: Insanely creepy partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4346642&forum_id=2#38887912) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2019 8:37 PM Author: Know-it-all meetinghouse personal credit line This.
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