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Happy Friday. Let's contemplate ways Dems have fucked up impeachment
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Date: December 6th, 2019 9:58 AM Author: Mischievous marvelous location shitlib Starting off with the process. This a purely political endeavor but here that notion is being used as an excuse to flout basic legal protections like due process etc. That’s fine, democrats control one half of one third of or government and this is how they’ve chosen to wield that power. Nonetheless, its fundamentally obvious to even a casual observer that if the case was rock solid (like it needed to be) you’d afford every protection to avoid appearing unfair/partisian. Instead democrats maximized every single opportunity they had, which again is their prerogative, held secret meetings, obscured the parties involved etc. However, this essentially bars any potential republicans from supporting it even if they were sympathetic to removing Trump. Also, this is a manipulation of the very notion of how we traditionally handle whistleblower cases.
Next the content they chose is just bizarre. Their front runner has fewer more blatant weaknesses than his shithead son. Hunter Biden is the last guy you want getting any play in the media. Aside from the underlying case, he’s off banging his dead bros wife, having illegitimate kids and doing lots of blow. Who in the right mind after hearing all of that thinks this guy was getting paid for anything other than political favor? This underhandedness is juxtaposed against Trump’s apparent crime which never even happened! All they have is something Trump was trying to do but ultimately none of it came to fruition. Being as generous as possible to libs with the facts, there might be some sort of crime committed there but it pales in comparison to the ongoing dealings of Biden’s kid.
So democrats had their secret hearings and brought forward their witnesses. Nobody cared. The most damning one ended up getting accused of sexual assault. The law profs came off as smug and lol one even offended the first lady by bringing up her 11 year old son and immediately had to apologize. None had any actual first hand knowledge. The actual whistleblower we have to pretend is still anonymous. Shiff acting like this is the case makes him look like a liar.
What did all of this get dems? …they actually had public support for impeachment drop! Now they’re looking at the prospect of having their vulnerable freshman reps from purple districts Trump won appearing on the same ballot with him in 2020. The GOP will beat them over the head with attack ads over this. How many seats will they drop?
I assume they have their house vote and they send this to the senate where it is immediately DOA. Not only that, but now the ball is in the GOP court for the full trial where they control the proceedings. Nothing good can come of that for libs. Mitch is already planning on 6 day a week sessions all through January! By the way, half the democratic field for potus comes from the senate and will be locked away for a month leading up to the Iowa primary. That’s insane. This to say nothing of who knows what could be uncovered digging in to Biden and Hunter (that can’t be good).
Finally, and possibly worst of all, this was their one shot. You only get one bite at the impeachment apple. If Trump wins a second term this weapon is out of their arsenal. Best bet for Pelosi would be to hold the vote but let her vulnerable reps peal off and vote against (they’ll look independent) and abort before it hits the senate.
I’m sure I’m missing lots but wow does Trump ever stumble into good luck. Its really amazing. |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 12:27 PM Author: Indecent Stead Being as generous as possible to libs with the facts, there might be some sort of crime committed there
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:53 PM Author: buff genital piercing travel guidebook OH NO! Trump will never be 3rd POTUS in US History impeached now!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225262) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 3:12 PM Author: Mischievous marvelous location shitlib I think he will. Probably smarter not to, but there you go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225387) |
Date: December 6th, 2019 12:12 PM Author: trip aquamarine base rigor Literotica but 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39224393) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 12:15 PM Author: ruby razzle-dazzle jap sneaky criminal The big picture problem is that the whole thing was really rushed which works against the strategy of keeping the soap opera running through November 2020. Nobody even thinks they can remove Trump from office with the senate they have now, the whole concept behind it was to have a running scandal going when 2020 hit and now that's in jeopardy because it might actually go to a vote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39224413) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 12:25 PM Author: Canary hospital Itll almost certainly goto a vote in the Senate by Easter. And Mitch will style on thme in the runup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39224474) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:22 PM Author: Mischievous marvelous location shitlib If Trump makes it to a second term I don't think Dems get a chance to re-impeach. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225121) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:31 PM Author: emerald insanely creepy abode death wish Renowned con law expert and ex-SG Neal Katyal disagrees:
https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1202594066942353409?s=19 |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:32 PM Author: Mischievous marvelous location shitlib That would be a disaster...So I suppose might try it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225160) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 3:00 PM Author: trip aquamarine base rigor lol just remove the potus that won an election that took place AFTER all the voters were given all the facts.
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Date: December 6th, 2019 3:13 PM Author: Mischievous marvelous location shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225389) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 6:38 PM Author: vermilion bateful police squad he'll do new crimes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39226216) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 12:20 PM Author: ruby razzle-dazzle jap sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39224450) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:30 PM Author: emerald insanely creepy abode death wish Wrong on the last point. If dems take the Senate they can hold another trial in 2021, because double jeopardy doesn't aoply to impeachment:
https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1202594066942353409?s=19 |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:31 PM Author: Mischievous marvelous location shitlib Clearly. I meant moreso politically. That would look like a joke coming at him again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225156) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:35 PM Author: burgundy main people That’s a big if (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225172) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:42 PM Author: Insane mind-boggling party of the first part gas station they absolutely can. and in a normal universe i'd say they'd never try that -- having once failed. but they could easily do it again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225192) |
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Date: December 7th, 2019 2:45 PM Author: demanding digit ratio It would not be unreasonable for Trump (or any POTUS) to refuse to leave after that. It’s fairly obvious that people value the results of the most recent election over some political ploy by the house/senate. I think, for example, the military would back Trump in that case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39229250) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:59 PM Author: stimulating alcoholic nowag House could retardedly impeach nonstop. under no circumstances will there be 60 votes to convict. even if dems get 51 seats, there aren't enough republicucks in the senate to join them, especially knowing Pence would be waiting to fuck the devil out of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225280) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 6:37 PM Author: vermilion bateful police squad lol libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39226214) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:42 PM Author: soul-stirring pungent area Explain the due process failures that would have lead to exculpatory evidence being admitted. Have republicans brought up any evidence that would clear the potus? I’m assuming you will reference the WB testimony, Schiff testimony, Hunter/father Biden testimony. Anything else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225188) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:43 PM Author: Mischievous marvelous location shitlib I guess he's guilty until proven innocent? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225198) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:44 PM Author: soul-stirring pungent area It’s not a criminal matter. But assuming the republicans had free reign to call any witness and admit any evidence during the hearings, what would that be? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225207) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:45 PM Author: emerald insanely creepy abode death wish Why not allow them to call witnesses so you can find out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225213) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:52 PM Author: soul-stirring pungent area I guess we will have to revisit in a month or so at the trial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225260) |
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Date: December 7th, 2019 2:47 PM Author: demanding digit ratio Which I think is why Trump wants it. Putting Hunter in front of the senate will be a huge win for him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39229258) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 3:22 PM Author: Indecent Stead They could depose Hunter Biden, the original Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Burisma, the current prosecutor investigating Burisma and the whistleblower to start with. When it's revealed that there has been a corruption investigation into Burisma this entire time and that whistleblower is a politically motivated hack, popular support for impeachment would become nonexistent outside of the fringe lunatics who still watch Maddow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225435) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 3:52 PM Author: Shivering filthpig They can also depose zelenski, who may well choose to cooperate. That should end it then and there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225572) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 3:51 PM Author: Shivering filthpig Do you think people are guilty until proven innocent in civil court? Why does it matter whether it was criminal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225569) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:44 PM Author: sadistic black hell Just fucking awful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225201) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:44 PM Author: emerald insanely creepy abode death wish "DESCRIBE the evidence that no one was allowed to present" the shitlib screeched. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225205) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:45 PM Author: soul-stirring pungent area Republicans scream on Twitter and foxnews 24/7. What is the evidence they have? Are they just holding onto it until the senate trial? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225214) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:46 PM Author: emerald insanely creepy abode death wish If only there were a PROCESS that allowed them to present evidence... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225218) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:47 PM Author: soul-stirring pungent area So you believe they are holding onto it for the trial? I’m legit curious what they have that will prove persuasive at the senate trial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225225) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:58 PM Author: exciting cowardly school cafeteria rigpig So the reason House dems stopped them from producing witnesses was what again? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225275) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:49 PM Author: Sick Flatulent Ceo Lol board libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225236) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:51 PM Author: soul-stirring pungent area I don’t get the weird personal attacks. Trying to have a convo about this, lil breh. Not trying to fight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225246) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 2:59 PM Author: exciting cowardly school cafeteria rigpig Are you a lawyer? Serious question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225277) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 3:01 PM Author: Pontificating infuriating candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225291) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 3:57 PM Author: sadistic black hell Holy fuck why is this retard “proles in owsley county” still here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39225584) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 6:24 PM Author: Mischievous marvelous location shitlib Several moderate Democratic House representatives are balking at impeaching President Trump as they worry doing so will have severe political consequences.
One anonymous member said he is "struggling" to see the case for impeachment and expressed concern that all of the information being used to draft articles of impeachment is "secondhand," according to CNN.
The anonymous admissions from Democratic lawmakers comes nearly two weeks after Democratic Rep. Brenda Lawrence of Michigan told a local radio host she favors censure over impeachment. Lawrence walked back that statement after it hit national news, and she pledged to support impeachment.
"I would say, 'Look, I am concerned about not knowing what the articles will have in them. I am concerned about the timeline of this whole impeachment process,'" one Democratic lawmaker said. "For me, right now, I am struggling to see how the evidence supports impeachment at this point."
Another moderate Democrat expressed frustration that leadership did not seem to take seriously the political consequences of impeachment for Democrats holding competitive seats.
"The fact of the matter is, this does have political consequences, and the people who will suffer significant political consequences are our moderate members. In fact, there are on-year amounts of money being spent in districts all across our moderates," the member said. "For our leadership not to engage with moderates at all to either talk about how they are going to message or what they are going to put in it seems to be a giant oversight."
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi ordered House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff to begin drafting articles of impeachment on Thursday. The articles are expected to contain allegations that Trump withheld military aid from Ukraine to secure investigations into former Vice President Joe Biden's conduct and gain an advantage in the 2020 presidential election. |
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Date: December 9th, 2019 4:34 PM Author: Mischievous marvelous location shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39238378) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 6:45 PM Author: mahogany selfie silly libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39226227) |
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Date: December 6th, 2019 6:46 PM Author: mahogany selfie I hate it when people flout basic legal protections like due process etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39226231) |
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Date: December 7th, 2019 2:37 PM Author: Mischievous marvelous location shitlib To be fair, I don't think it's personally targeted at you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39229216) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 12:47 AM Author: Mischievous marvelous location shitlib https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/trump-leads-all-democrats-in-arizona-amid-impeachment-surge-pollster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39240958) |
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Date: December 10th, 2019 10:21 AM Author: Mischievous marvelous location shitlib :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4395975&forum_id=2#39241863) |