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Intel is done here

Once ryzen 4000 starts shipping in volume there will be no m...
racy giraffe
  01/08/20
How did they screw up so badly
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  01/08/20
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/technology/intel-budgets-...
concupiscible hell roommate
  01/08/20
I thought this would be a fake link. 300 million spent to er...
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One step closer to neoliberalism. Private sector-based repar...
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  01/08/20
you have to be shitting me
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soul-stirring turdskin stage
  01/08/20
takeaway is once significant diversity initiative is announc...
Cerebral bat shit crazy masturbator
  01/08/20
Yaaaas
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Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/18/20
Insisted on doing all chip production in house, had no answe...
racy giraffe
  01/08/20
What's ARM
tan theater personal credit line
  01/08/20
the chip in ur phone
passionate orchid mad cow disease water buffalo
  01/08/20
Moore’s law brick wall combined with completely fuckin...
domesticated sable field striped hyena
  01/10/20
Brick Wall of brown bodies?
out-of-control misunderstood office
  01/15/20
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Magenta center
  01/08/20
Cr I was ready to buy a 10nm Intel ice lake laptop and then...
Indigo sanctuary juggernaut
  01/08/20
intel pajeets wya?
Charismatic shivering coffee pot community account
  01/08/20
Will AMD make real inroads into the corporate market? I woul...
flirting coldplay fan site
  01/08/20
Why not? They offer much better value.
racy giraffe
  01/08/20
Stock is up 33% since August but go off
laughsome sound barrier gaping
  01/08/20
If there's one thing that is rational in America its stock p...
Maniacal titillating dog poop trailer park
  01/08/20
Xoxo posters, by contrast, have smart insights into the busi...
laughsome sound barrier gaping
  01/08/20
if I want to learn WTF "Ryzen 4800" means, and how...
Ruby orchestra pit
  01/08/20
Is runs faster than 2/3 of Intel's DESKTOP processors while ...
racy giraffe
  01/10/20
where can I read up on what the various processor descriptio...
Ruby orchestra pit
  01/10/20
I was being conservative. Actual published specs show it bea...
racy giraffe
  01/10/20
ty
Ruby orchestra pit
  01/10/20
question - is this a laptop processor? What are the top ...
Ruby orchestra pit
  01/10/20
For desktops there is nothing that compares with the new 64-...
Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den
  01/10/20
The new threadripper costs $4k but yeah it's sick.
Histrionic Stock Car
  01/10/20
I'll believe it when I see a full product with this. AM...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/10/20
AMD has been living up to the hype for the past ~18 months a...
Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den
  01/10/20
With desktop and console chips, sure. This is a different m...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/10/20
The technical reasons for AMD's superiority in desktop chips...
Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den
  01/10/20
I agree that if AMD can press that advantage then they will ...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/10/20
Ice Lake is actually a nice design and will beat AMD on sing...
razzle-dazzle home internal respiration
  01/15/20
You have no idea what you're talking about. AMD 4800H wil...
razzle-dazzle home internal respiration
  01/15/20
ARM and x86 are the two big ones. They use different instruc...
Godawful pozpig
  02/10/20
Anandtech.com for ultra-nerdy and in-depth info on this stuf...
Diverse twinkling parlor
  01/10/20
https://www.notebookcheck.net/New-graphics-tests-reveal-AMD-...
racy giraffe
  01/15/20
Intel is actually getting into the GPU game now and is set t...
Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den
  01/10/20
Intel sucks for attempts to break into new areas (and has fo...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/10/20
Intel's success with the Core series - which is has been rid...
racy giraffe
  01/15/20
It was not accidental. They actually kept two siloed design ...
razzle-dazzle home internal respiration
  01/15/20
Machine learning probably
swashbuckling stubborn really tough guy pisswyrm
  01/15/20
Most people use laptops these days and AMD can't seem to rea...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/10/20
That looks set to change. And it's really not surprising giv...
Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den
  01/10/20
That's probably their best bet. Someone like Apple will dea...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/10/20
For Linux you want AMD GPUs. Nvidia makes it a real bitch to...
Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den
  01/10/20
What percentage of people bother with Linux? Even I haven't...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/10/20
Dunno but I run Pop OS on my HTPC now. Once you get everythi...
Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den
  01/10/20
Right, so a super niche O/S for a super niche use case. Got...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/10/20
Is that true? Laptop sales volumes have declined enormously....
laughsome sound barrier gaping
  01/10/20
Fair. I mean as a percent of PC sales but you're right, tha...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/10/20
Cloud server chips are what matters
domesticated sable field striped hyena
  01/10/20
That is like saying "who cares about expensive cars, co...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/10/20
In terms of Intel being done here, loss of Server market sha...
domesticated sable field striped hyena
  01/10/20
High volume consumer vs. low volume but high margin enterpri...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/10/20
You can tell Intel is dead based on their marketing. They ar...
racy giraffe
  01/15/20
No, it's because Intel's goal is to create new segments. Int...
razzle-dazzle home internal respiration
  01/15/20
Ok, so give examples of their "new segments". VR?...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/15/20
The have a new SDD that runs on PCIe 4.0, which no Intel chi...
racy giraffe
  01/15/20
Which, might at least be impressive if they were the only PC...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/15/20
I mean new products that use the same (cash cow) mobile and ...
razzle-dazzle home internal respiration
  01/15/20
Too bad can’t really build a hackintosh out of amd. My...
Violent Soggy Institution Reading Party
  01/10/20
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Canary pungent base
  01/15/20
None of this shit matters until we see graphics cards that c...
Histrionic Stock Car
  01/10/20
won't the PS5 have ray tracing? What does this even do?
Ruby orchestra pit
  01/10/20
Super realistic reflections. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal
  01/10/20
Don't know if the PS5 does 100% ray tracing or some combo li...
Violent trip yarmulke potus
  01/10/20
I've looked at comparisons and there really doesn't seem to ...
Massive blood rage
  01/15/20
The games we have now only make limited use of ray tracing. ...
racy giraffe
  01/15/20
it's a scam that nvidia dreamed up to reinvigorate gpu sales
Heady buff philosopher-king
  01/18/20
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-...
racy giraffe
  01/17/20
this is a big deal in the nerdy cpu wars. about to build an ...
Diverse twinkling parlor
  01/17/20
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floppy crusty meetinghouse
  01/24/20
4800H killing it: https://www.techradar.com/news/ryzen-7-...
racy giraffe
  01/25/20
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razzmatazz self-centered corner
  01/25/20
https://www.techradar.com/amp/news/amd-ryzen-threadripper-39...
racy giraffe
  02/10/20


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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:39 AM
Author: racy giraffe

Once ryzen 4000 starts shipping in volume there will be no market space where Intel dominates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397434)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:42 AM
Author: tan theater personal credit line

How did they screw up so badly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397440)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:44 AM
Author: concupiscible hell roommate

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/technology/intel-budgets-300-million-for-diversity.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397448)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:48 AM
Author: Metal national

I thought this would be a fake link. 300 million spent to eradicate the problem of too many white men and Asians in an engineering venture? Lol America is fucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397458)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:52 AM
Author: tan theater personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397467)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 7:05 AM
Author: stirring hissy fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397710)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:14 PM
Author: Startled Mint Property Idea He Suggested



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Date: January 18th, 2020 7:44 PM
Author: bossy incel people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39452142)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:51 AM
Author: cruel-hearted business firm antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397466)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:52 AM
Author: Magenta center

One step closer to neoliberalism. Private sector-based reparation programs subsidized with tax breaks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397469)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 7:27 AM
Author: fuchsia boyish whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397734)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 2:02 AM
Author: misanthropic gaped hospital

you have to be shitting me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397500)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 6:57 AM
Author: Canary pungent base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397706)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 7:08 AM
Author: soul-stirring turdskin stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397712)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 11:45 AM
Author: Cerebral bat shit crazy masturbator

takeaway is once significant diversity initiative is announced, short on a 5-7 year timeline relative to market/competitors?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39399011)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 11:50 AM
Author: out-of-control misunderstood office

Yaaaas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39434537)



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Date: January 18th, 2020 7:28 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39452075)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:48 AM
Author: racy giraffe

Insisted on doing all chip production in house, had no answer to ARM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397459)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:52 AM
Author: tan theater personal credit line

What's ARM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397470)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:56 AM
Author: passionate orchid mad cow disease water buffalo

the chip in ur phone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397487)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 11:54 AM
Author: domesticated sable field striped hyena

Moore’s law brick wall combined with completely fucking up 10nm let AMD catch up with the help of TSMC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409768)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 2:27 PM
Author: out-of-control misunderstood office

Brick Wall of brown bodies?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39435417)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:51 AM
Author: Magenta center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397465)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:53 AM
Author: Indigo sanctuary juggernaut

Cr

I was ready to buy a 10nm Intel ice lake laptop and then I see the ryzen 4800 and holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397472)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 1:54 AM
Author: Charismatic shivering coffee pot community account

intel pajeets wya?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397476)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 7:31 AM
Author: flirting coldplay fan site

Will AMD make real inroads into the corporate market? I would love it if my firm switched away from InTTTel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397745)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 11:30 AM
Author: racy giraffe

Why not? They offer much better value.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39398883)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 7:34 AM
Author: laughsome sound barrier gaping

Stock is up 33% since August but go off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397752)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 7:37 AM
Author: Maniacal titillating dog poop trailer park

If there's one thing that is rational in America its stock prices for tech companies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397755)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 7:41 AM
Author: laughsome sound barrier gaping

Xoxo posters, by contrast, have smart insights into the business outlook of tech companies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39397764)



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Date: January 8th, 2020 11:43 AM
Author: Ruby orchestra pit

if I want to learn WTF "Ryzen 4800" means, and how to compare it against Intel processors, where do I start?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39398990)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 11:51 AM
Author: racy giraffe

Is runs faster than 2/3 of Intel's DESKTOP processors while sipping power and generating very little heat, so it can be easily incorporated into various mobile platforms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409744)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 11:53 AM
Author: Ruby orchestra pit

where can I read up on what the various processor descriptions even mean, becnhmarks, etc?

I sort of know what i5, i7, and i9 are. Don't know shit about Ryzen stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409758)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 11:57 AM
Author: racy giraffe

I was being conservative. Actual published specs show it beatibg the i7-9700k, which is like 10th percentile across Intel's entire product line.

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/69768/amd-ryzen-7-4800h-cpu-desktop-performance-laptops/index.html

AMD now outpaces intel in single-threaded performance, which was unheard of until now.

EDIT: that's the H variant of the 4800, which is designed for high end gaming laptops. The 4800U is not quite as fast but only consumes 15W, vs 45W for the 4800H. Still, Intel's fastest mobile processors consume 45W, so AMD either beats Intel or pulls even on that count. I think Intel's shittiest mobile CPU still draws 25W..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409794)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:05 PM
Author: Ruby orchestra pit

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409853)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:11 PM
Author: Ruby orchestra pit

question - is this a laptop processor?

What are the top dogs for desktop?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409897)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:20 PM
Author: Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den

For desktops there is nothing that compares with the new 64-core threadripper. Sure it costs $3k, but it outperforms dual Xeons that cost $10k apiece.

If you're looking for something more budget oriented AMD still DOMINATES. The Ryzen 2700 is only $150 and is a beast. If that won't meet your needs the 2700x or the 3700 probably do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409964)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:30 PM
Author: Histrionic Stock Car

The new threadripper costs $4k but yeah it's sick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410040)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:16 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

I'll believe it when I see a full product with this.

AMD has a history of big promises in the mobile space that never materialize.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409933)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:22 PM
Author: Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den

AMD has been living up to the hype for the past ~18 months at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409978)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:33 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

With desktop and console chips, sure. This is a different market though. Once upon a time they were a major player in the mobile space. I remember a number of systems with ATI Radeon chips (prior to being acquired by AMD).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410057)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:38 PM
Author: Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den

The technical reasons for AMD's superiority in desktop chips are just as applicable to mobile chips. They do 7nm manufacturing now while Intel is stuck at 14nm with no end in sight. AMD will likely be moving to 5nm and maybe even 3nm before Intel gets to 10nm Intel has some 10nm chips now but they are shitty and slow designs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410094)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:40 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

I agree that if AMD can press that advantage then they will dominate.

Crazy that Intel is that far behind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410108)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 12:43 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle home internal respiration

Ice Lake is actually a nice design and will beat AMD on single core. They only downside is 4-core limit right now, but it's actually fairly uncommon to use more than 4 cores. (This coming from a guy with an 8-core Thinkpad.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39434853)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 12:15 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle home internal respiration

You have no idea what you're talking about.

AMD 4800H will compete with 45w Intel Core i9-9980H and HK and lose on performance, like always. But they will be cheaper, so good for the market.

Intel's Ice Lake runs at 9W, including integrated TB3 controller and WiFi. AMD's lowest is 12W (plus extra power from additional TB3 and WiFi components). While AMD CPU architecture is good, they always lose at the platform level, which is why everyone uses (and will continue to use) Intel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39434667)



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Date: February 10th, 2020 12:46 AM
Author: Godawful pozpig

ARM and x86 are the two big ones. They use different instruction sets. Beyond that, it gets insanely technical, as we're talking about super low-level shit.

Takeaway is that ARM's instruction set is simpler, so it uses less power (and thus generates less heat) as it requires fewer transistors in the chip itself. ARM also has more registers, so you don't spend as many instructions swapping data in and out of registers.

Intel is like a F150 while ARM is like a Tesla. The former is intended to FUCK. THEM. HORSES. and damn the gas you burn. The other is intended to be nimble and efficient even if you can't tow a tractor trailer.

Beyond taht I don't know. I don't care about clock speeds or benchmarks. My current computer is good enough and it's from 2013. My phone is 3yo, same thing. No desire to upgrade either, and whenever I do, I basically look at battery life and just kidding I buy a pimped out Macbook Pro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39569691)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:21 PM
Author: Diverse twinkling parlor

Anandtech.com for ultra-nerdy and in-depth info on this stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409974)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 11:32 AM
Author: racy giraffe

https://www.notebookcheck.net/New-graphics-tests-reveal-AMD-s-Ryzen-4000-iGPUs-are-significantly-faster-than-Intel-s-Ice-Lake-alternatives.450283.0.html

"There is also a test pitting the Ryzen 7 4800U against the Core i7-10750H CPU, and the AMD chip appears to be only ~15% slower, despite 45% lower clocks and 30 W lower TDPs."

That's pretty insane when you consider that's Intel's top of the line mobile gaming CPU, vs a low-to-mid-range AMD CPU designed for power savings and thermal efficiency. It doesn't look like anyone has tested the 4800H yet but it looks like it's going to be several leagues ahead of any Intel mobile chip, and may even beat its high end desktop chips.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39434440)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:04 PM
Author: Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den

Intel is actually getting into the GPU game now and is set to release their first ever discrete graphics card. However it's unclear wtf they plan to accomplish with that, since by their own admission it's not good for gaming and they are not even marketing it for that. I guess they think it's still 1991 where you need a fancy graphics card to run your monitor at anything over 800x600?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409843)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:13 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

Intel sucks for attempts to break into new areas (and has for the last decade+). Remember when they tried to create a chip for phones/tablets? This will probably be along the same lines.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409915)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 11:39 AM
Author: racy giraffe

Intel's success with the Core series - which is has been riding for the past ~13 years - was largely accidental. Intel was pushing netburst heavily in the early 2000s. Then it hit a brick wall and ended up reviving the OLDER Pentium Pro design, which had an entirely different design team and had been shelved in favor of netburst. Pentium Pro ended up evolving into the Core2 series, and even now Intel's latest and greatest processors are built on that design. They have no tricks up their sleeve - nothing that can compete in handheld devices, and nothing that can carry them into the future without better manufacturing capability than what they seem to have.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39434487)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 1:04 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle home internal respiration

It was not accidental. They actually kept two siloed design teams competing against each other. They continue to refine it, because it's still the best x86 architecture. AMD's advantage on the high end comes from their multi-CPU fabric, not their CPU architecture.

Agree that they lost big in phones after dumping billions into XScale and cannot compete against Apple's design team at this point.

Intel's will start to worry if MS ever gets ARM on Windows laptops working or Google invests heavily in Android/ChromeOS as laptop replacements running ARM.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39434946)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 2:23 PM
Author: swashbuckling stubborn really tough guy pisswyrm

Machine learning probably

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39435397)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:11 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

Most people use laptops these days and AMD can't seem to really release a compelling product there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409902)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:16 PM
Author: Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den

That looks set to change. And it's really not surprising given that AMD can leverage TSMC's superior manufacturing technology. Would not be surprised if we see Macbooks running on AMD soon, because they could never accommodate the cooling needs of Intel's fastest mobile chips.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409929)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:19 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

That's probably their best bet. Someone like Apple will deal with chipset issues and iron them out. They also already utilize AMD discrete graphics chips in MBPs (pretty much no one else does).

AMD does really well in markets with very set systems/chipsets. For example, playstations and Xboxes all run on AMD graphics chips. For customizable systems like laptops? They lag massively. Apple MBPs are a good in-between.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409957)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:21 PM
Author: Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den

For Linux you want AMD GPUs. Nvidia makes it a real bitch to make their Linux drivers work right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409976)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:30 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

What percentage of people bother with Linux? Even I haven't used it in years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410038)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:33 PM
Author: Bipolar vigorous kitty cat den

Dunno but I run Pop OS on my HTPC now. Once you get everything set up it's it's less flaky. I got really sick of Windowa always bugging me with popups about logging into my microsoft account and configuring some OneDrive bullshit and I no longer have kaspersky draining half my resources.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410061)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:37 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

Right, so a super niche O/S for a super niche use case. Got it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410090)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:17 PM
Author: laughsome sound barrier gaping

Is that true? Laptop sales volumes have declined enormously. Big smartphones and especially tablets have cannibalized that market to death.

Lots of people might still use laptops but no one is selling many new ones

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409937)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:20 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

Fair. I mean as a percent of PC sales but you're right, that's a very mature market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409961)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:30 PM
Author: domesticated sable field striped hyena

Cloud server chips are what matters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410042)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:34 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

That is like saying "who cares about expensive cars, commercial jets are way more expensive"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410067)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:37 PM
Author: domesticated sable field striped hyena

In terms of Intel being done here, loss of Server market share is what matters. PC/Laptop is just a sideshow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410089)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:39 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

High volume consumer vs. low volume but high margin enterprise. Two totally different markets. But if Intel gets killed in either there will be chaos.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410100)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 11:46 AM
Author: racy giraffe

You can tell Intel is dead based on their marketing. They are yelling about a gay-ass notebook with dual screens and a NUC that is basically a modern version of the Mac G4 cube from 20 years ago. They have nothing else upcoming to brag about or promote. If you talk about AMD CPUs on the Intel subreddit you will get banned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39434521)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 12:22 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle home internal respiration

No, it's because Intel's goal is to create new segments. Intel will always have 70-80% market share, so they have to grow the market. Too risky from anti-trust perspective to take 100% market share via price competition.

AMD makes like $100-200M a quarter vs. Intel at $4-6B. Which is why AMD simply cannot compete on the platform level and Intel spends it's time developing new shit like USB and TB3, which it then gives away for free.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39434702)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 2:06 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

Ok, so give examples of their "new segments". VR? Nope. Discrete graphics? They're joining the game a decade late and a dollar short. Storage? I guess they have entered it, but aren't a top player there and not really expanding significantly. Phones/tablets? That failed. So now what? They seem to be in decline.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39435313)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 2:16 PM
Author: racy giraffe

The have a new SDD that runs on PCIe 4.0, which no Intel chipsets support. They literally have to use AMD hardware to test their own shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39435359)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 2:18 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

Which, might at least be impressive if they were the only PCIe 4 SSD but they're not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39435367)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 4:53 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle home internal respiration

I mean new products that use the same (cash cow) mobile and desktop Intel CPUs and chipsets: dual screen and folding laptops mentioned above, small form factor desktops (e.g., NUCs, Ghost Canyon). Plus peripherals that make people want to buy a laptop/desktop instead of a tablet or big phone: fast I/O (Thunderbolt), 5G modem integration, HW video encode, AI acceleration.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39436190)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:20 PM
Author: Violent Soggy Institution Reading Party

Too bad can’t really build a hackintosh out of amd. My intel hackintoshes are surprisingly low maintenance and super cheap compared with the new Mac pros.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39409963)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 1:08 PM
Author: Canary pungent base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39434966)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:28 PM
Author: Histrionic Stock Car

None of this shit matters until we see graphics cards that can do actual ray tracing at 60fps. Right now the best you can get is a 2080 ti and even that only does a mix of ray tracing and raster graphics. In a few years we should see real ray tracing become affordable to the masses and making its way into mainstream titles. Until then I'm sticking with my rig from 2014, which still handles the newest games just fine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410022)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:39 PM
Author: Ruby orchestra pit

won't the PS5 have ray tracing? What does this even do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410103)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:41 PM
Author: Carnelian Friendly Grandma Son Of Senegal

Super realistic reflections. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_tracing_(graphics)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410119)



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Date: January 10th, 2020 12:45 PM
Author: Violent trip yarmulke potus

Don't know if the PS5 does 100% ray tracing or some combo like the RTX series, but if you look at demos it's probably the single biggest advance in gaming tech since the 1990s. The technical explanations are interesting but don't really do it justice. Bottom line is that it when "see" objects IRL, what you really see is the light that reflects off those objects. Ray tracing simulates the way light reflects off objects in ways that give you an insane sense of depth and realism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39410146)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 2:28 PM
Author: Massive blood rage

I've looked at comparisons and there really doesn't seem to be much difference. You can "see" better in dark areas, that's about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39435419)



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Date: January 15th, 2020 2:32 PM
Author: racy giraffe

The games we have now only make limited use of ray tracing. As the technology advances the differences will become more stark. For me the biggest difference is the way it adds depth to the picture, making it much easier to distinguish foreground from background. A good ray traced image looks closer to 3D than any actual 3D shit where you have to wear those retarded graphics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39435432)



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Date: January 18th, 2020 7:37 PM
Author: Heady buff philosopher-king

it's a scam that nvidia dreamed up to reinvigorate gpu sales

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39452126)



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Date: January 17th, 2020 11:16 PM
Author: racy giraffe

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-ryzen9-3950x&num=9

"Out of 149 tests run on the three processors, the Ryzen 9 3950X won 128 of them and the Ryzen 9 3900X with its slightly higher base clocks won another 13 tests while the Core i9 9900KS came out just ahead in eight of them."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39448565)



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Date: January 17th, 2020 11:19 PM
Author: Diverse twinkling parlor

this is a big deal in the nerdy cpu wars. about to build an AMD music production tower. pretty exciting that the "underdog" has overtaken big bad Intel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39448581)



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Date: January 24th, 2020 10:18 AM
Author: floppy crusty meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39481371)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 3:40 AM
Author: racy giraffe

4800H killing it:

https://www.techradar.com/news/ryzen-7-4700h-benchmark-shows-amds-laptop-cpu-beating-a-9th-gen-intel-champ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39485819)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 3:43 AM
Author: razzmatazz self-centered corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39485822)



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Date: February 10th, 2020 12:29 AM
Author: racy giraffe

https://www.techradar.com/amp/news/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3990x-overclocked-at-55-ghz-is-setting-world-records

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4417508&forum_id=2#39569663)