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CNN host argues with Yale scientist over hydroxychloroquine (link)
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 5:07 PM Author: Diverse School Cafeteria Queen Of The Night https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s_v-IVmy5wQ&feature=emb_logo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40701403) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 7:00 PM Author: Pea-brained Halford What's to see? The shitlib journalist embarrassed this dweeb, who seemed to take the position that because random double-blind placebo controlled studies are required for *some widely used drugs, we shouldn't require that of HCQ either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707019) |
Date: August 3rd, 2020 5:23 PM Author: tantric cruel-hearted step-uncle's house libs are retarded and demented (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40701481) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 5:40 PM Author: Spruce box office Dr. Risch, why do you insist on putting people's lives at risk, against Dr. Fauci's gold standard, which has proven HCQ is not effective, as you know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40701556) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 10:19 PM Author: Diverse School Cafeteria Queen Of The Night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40702761) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 10:26 PM Author: Pink principal's office *bobs head* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40702785) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:15 PM Author: frozen sick house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706307) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 5:54 PM Author: Shimmering Sex Offender LOL, this is the world we live in now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40701609) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 10:30 PM Author: mauve splenetic puppy field Strange to see a 110 iq communications major debating a Yale prof on a subject that isn’t poli sci or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40702805) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 10:57 PM Author: Vigorous temple how dare you challenge his REAL LIFE LIVED EXPERIENCE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40702965) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 11:03 PM Author: Racy lime area pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40703001) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:15 PM Author: histrionic sepia scourge upon the earth John Berman suddenly knows more than this Yale epidemiologist professor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706304) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:27 PM Author: Cyan frum feces travel guidebook Risch obviously schooled him, but Berman is no slouch - graduated summa cum laude from Harvard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706638) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:29 PM Author: idiotic godawful parlour holy shit. i just thought he was dumb. he might be actually evil. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706653) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:29 PM Author: frozen sick house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706656) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:36 PM Author: Stimulating Roommate Blood Rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706692) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:26 PM Author: Pink principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706899) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:54 PM Author: laughsome office immigrant (Simp) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707788) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 11:30 PM Author: Seedy den persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40708135) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 11:14 PM Author: coral outnumbered elastic band why can’t people just say “I’m a leading expert in the field and you’re a retarded talking bobbing head so just shut the fuck up” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40703090) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 3:54 PM Author: Diverse School Cafeteria Queen Of The Night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706150) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:08 PM Author: Comical canary stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706254) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:19 PM Author: Seedy den persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706333) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:21 PM Author: Thirsty misanthropic piazza the only clout one can wield today is based on sex organs, sexual propensity, or skin color - educational pedigree, academic success and content of character no longer apply (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706342) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:33 PM Author: frozen sick house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706419) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:52 PM Author: domesticated cuckold WHATEVER FACT MAN
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:55 PM Author: laughsome office immigrant Appeals to authority are low brow and logically fallacious. There's plenty of EXPERT hacks who will say the opposite of this dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707797) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 11:32 PM Author: spectacular idiot theatre Why don't people just say "I know what I'm talking about and you don't" to win arguments? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40708148) |
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Date: August 5th, 2020 12:13 PM Author: domesticated cuckold thats what the news chimp was trying to do, except he was a news chimp doing it to a yale epidemiologist on a matter of medicine so he came off as dumb |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 11:18 PM Author: irradiated up-to-no-good parlor Did they abruptly kick him off? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40703117) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 11:20 PM Author: galvanic candlestick maker shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40703142) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 3:52 PM Author: rusted goal in life JFC at how condescending that host was. And did the typical lie about what the guy said and then just try to segue past it before the guy can respond. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706134) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:19 PM Author: frozen sick house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706328) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:19 PM Author: Seedy den persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706334) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 3:59 PM Author: Thirsty misanthropic piazza this guy sounds like he just learned about randomized controlled studies and is trying to brag about it at thanksgiving dinner after freshman year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706193) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:05 PM Author: rusted goal in life They don't even typically do that with deadly diseases b/c it's considered immoral to give someone a placebo when they have something fatal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706235) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:10 PM Author: French Doobsian Mediation Uh, no. This is 100% wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706273) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:13 PM Author: Thirsty misanthropic piazza (CNN news anchor selected for his hair style only) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706290) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:19 PM Author: rusted goal in life https://fortune.com/2019/08/28/fda-cancer-patients-placebos-clinical-trials/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706331) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:30 PM Author: French Doobsian Mediation This doesn't refute my refuting what you initially said. Which, was 100% wrong. HTFH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706406) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:28 PM Author: Cyan frum feces travel guidebook Nah u wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706645) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:15 PM Author: frozen sick house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706308) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:15 PM Author: frozen sick house bizarre interview (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706306) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:17 PM Author: Very tactful cracking legal warrant This is the most obnoxious interview I think I've ever seen. Jesus Christ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706319) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:18 PM Author: frozen sick house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706327) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:09 PM Author: idiotic godawful parlour mfcr. many times i’ve seen people be completely clueless but i have never seen anyone be so fucking smug while completely clueless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706570) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:26 PM Author: white hospital gold standard gold standard gold standard |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:27 PM Author: frozen sick house midwits really treat "science" like a religion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706386) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:27 PM Author: white hospital But DOCTOR Fauci... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706388) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:29 PM Author: Very tactful cracking legal warrant He also kept saying it in a slowed down way, as if to imply, well you're just not smart enough to understand this, let me break it down for you very simply. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706402) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:30 PM Author: frozen sick house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706404) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:31 PM Author: thriller carnelian death wish The reality is he was slowing it down for himself because he never thought through it on his own (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706407) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:40 PM Author: Startling orchid library yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706447) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:29 PM Author: Very tactful cracking legal warrant Fauci- dumbs things down to a super simplistic manner to try to get every idiot in America to understand.
CNN Host- is one of the idiots that needs things dumbed down to understand.
Expert- You're understanding is wrong
CNN Host- Look at me... look at me... I'm the doctor now. |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:36 PM Author: contagious university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706436) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:45 PM Author: contagious university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706476) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:02 PM Author: Very tactful cracking legal warrant Not sure how you watched it a second time. The first time had me extremely angry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706535) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:05 PM Author: Pea-brained Halford Cool. I'm for mass administering ineffective medications now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706549) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:21 PM Author: Diverse School Cafeteria Queen Of The Night You sound like a FRINGE science believer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706608) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:46 PM Author: Comical canary stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706741) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:39 PM Author: Thirsty misanthropic piazza What is the purpose of being against hydroxychloroquine in principle? Is there any evidence that would change your mind? It seems like you have a narrative in your mind about how this virus response should go, and you simply cannot handle the uncertainty around a drug that may have benefits. Why dismiss a renowned scientist out of hand if not for the sole purpose of theoretical parsimony, at the cost of real world fidelity, and, ultimately, the lives of a class of individuals for which we have reason to be optimistic that this medication could indeed improve their health condition? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706705) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:41 PM Author: Diverse School Cafeteria Queen Of The Night Because Orange Man Bad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706716) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:43 PM Author: Thirsty misanthropic piazza Sure but again, if there is a model of virus response - social distancing, masks, vaccine - and there is an anomalous observation - namely that some weird drug seems to help some people - it does not seem like the cost of adjusting the model to include the anomaly is very high. In fact, it would not even require you to reevaluate your premises. You can just tack it on for free. Why not do this, why intentionally suppress the anomaly for narrative parsimony? How is this even political? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706731) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:45 PM Author: Diverse School Cafeteria Queen Of The Night Please refer to my previous poast. That's literally the answer to your question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706736) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:48 PM Author: Thirsty misanthropic piazza So the efficacy of the model of virus response - social distancing, masks, vaccine - could be improved by adding hqc, but people do not want to add that to their model (apparently pareto efficiently, since the paper about the negative effects was retracted) because then the model may share too many variables with the competing model? Why would one intentionally degrade their model simply for the purpose of making it more different than alternative models? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706752) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:54 PM Author: Diverse School Cafeteria Queen Of The Night The approved model which consists of social distancing, masks, waiting for a vaccine is Scripture. Saint Fauci, who is known as the Father of Science, said HCQ is not part of Scripture. Then Trump, who is known to be a Heretic, suggested that HCQ should be used as a treatment, thus violating Scripture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706768) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:01 PM Author: Thirsty misanthropic piazza how do i become a science saint (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706787) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:08 PM Author: idiotic godawful parlour first you must acknowledge orange man bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706819) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:48 PM Author: Pea-brained Halford Whoa, we got us a fella who uses the word "parsimony" here, boys.
The efficacy of HCQ has been so thoroughly debunked that the only people who deem it effective are Trump, Laura Ingraham, this guy, and Stella Immanuel (along with millions of Trumpmos who find those four to be good sources of medical knowledge) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:20 PM Author: irradiated up-to-no-good parlor This might be your dumbest post ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707595) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:21 PM Author: Insanely creepy cerebral senate LOL Utah State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707601) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 11:28 PM Author: Racy lime area pozpig I get that you’re schtick but it’s important for poas to know who have vulnerable relatives: whole countries use it and it is highly effective in the data (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40708128) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:47 PM Author: Comical canary stead wow you take the side of talking heads with no science background over ivy league experts? edgy position bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706745) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:00 PM Author: Startling orchid library yarmulke EPAH has a prestigious UTTTAH STTTATE degree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706784) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:33 PM Author: Pea-brained Halford Do you like it here, friend? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707660) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:10 PM Author: histrionic sepia scourge upon the earth PI bros - is this what its like trying to depose doctors about injuries? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706576) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 5:42 PM Author: mint location boistinker what in the fuck? the argument cannot legitimately be that you need a control group. you have a fucking country wide control group. the only argument i'm thinking of is that the people who received the drugs have other factors that determined their better results otherwise, you are arguing that you can placebo yourself out of hospitalization and death when fighting covid19 |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:00 PM Author: twisted church building Holy shit CNN is pure evil
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:13 PM Author: Seedy den persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706851) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 7:33 PM Author: Shimmering Sex Offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707191) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:34 PM Author: Gay locale ratface Haven’t there been a ton of respected studies that have shown it’s ineffective? What am I missing here? That those studies didn’t focus on early treatment with hcq? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40706926) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:43 PM Author: Brindle Dashing Stage Rigor The “respected studies” you are thinking about led the FDA to revoke their emergency use authorization for HCQ.
They were also entirely fabricated and pulled down by their authors after the damage was already done:
The Lancet, one of the world’s top medical journals, on Thursday retracted an influential study that raised alarms about the safety of the experimental Covid-19 treatments chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine amid scrutiny of the data underlying the paper.
Just over an hour later, the New England Journal of Medicine retracted a separate study, focused on blood pressure medications in Covid-19, that relied on data from the same company.
The retractions came at the request of the authors of the studies, published last month, who were not directly involved with the data collection and sources, the journals said.
“We can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources,” Mandeep Mehra of Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Frank Ruschitzka of University Hospital Zurich, and Amit Patel of University of Utah said in a statement issued by the Lancet. “Due to this unfortunate development, the authors request that the paper be retracted.”
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/04/lancet-retracts-major-covid-19-paper-that-raised-safety-concerns-about-malaria-drugs/ |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:45 PM Author: Gay locale ratface What about this study? I found like 3 recent ones that find hcq ineffective.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/16/new-covid-19-study-despite-flaws-adds-to-case-against-hydroxychloroquine/ |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:48 PM Author: Brindle Dashing Stage Rigor When you read “adds to case” in the headline, you know the author is extremely biased.
Despite this, I think the quote buried at the end of your article provides you your answer:
“The study was of such low quality that it was fundamentally uninterpretable,” said Steven Nissen, a veteran clinical trialist at the Cleveland Clinic. |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 7:21 PM Author: Pearl filthy market mother ljl libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707097) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:38 PM Author: Internet-worthy property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707704) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:36 PM Author: Startling orchid library yarmulke EPAH? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707693) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 8:21 PM Author: contagious university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707382) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:55 PM Author: purple tanning salon black woman I don’t work in clinical trials, but I am a PRO STATISTICIAN and I think what might have happened is they tried HCQ on patients at 0% risk of death from covid, and compared to placebo group also at 0% risk of death. When both HCQ group and placebo group showed 0% death, they concluded “HCQ shows no statistically significant difference from placebo.”
To get a statistically significant difference between HCQ and placebo, you have to do a study on groups that are, say, 50% risk of death. Then, you might get 20% death in HCQ group and 80% death in placebo group.
Unfortunately, doctors aren’t allowed to do studies like this due to “ethics”.
I’ve seen Trump and some docs try to explain this (badly) to talking heads. Only a small % of the population has the IQ power to understand it, though, so Trump is fukt. |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 7:17 PM Author: mint location boistinker you don't need a placebo group. you need similarly situated people who did not get hcq. a placebo cannot change results when your metric is death. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707080) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 7:20 PM Author: purple tanning salon black woman 👍 i guess I’m using placebo group as a synonym for control group. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707093) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 6:50 PM Author: Pea-brained Halford "Yale-affiliated physicians used HCQ early in the response to COVID-19, but it is only used rarely at present due to evidence that it is ineffective and potentially risky."
https://publichealth.yale.edu/news-article/26290/ |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 7:30 PM Author: henna metal station therapy What evidence? Be specific (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707176) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:33 PM Author: Pea-brained Halford “Yeah Yale be specific! Or are you jeopardizing your patients health only to hurt that guy who reads like a 4th grader and knows that HCQ is a game changer?” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707654) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:35 PM Author: Startling orchid library yarmulke how was your University of Utah rejection like, brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707674) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:36 PM Author: Insanely creepy cerebral senate (UTTTAH State retard who fucking loves science) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707686) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:36 PM Author: contagious university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707690) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:37 PM Author: elite chartreuse hominid Wtf. CNN should be prosecuted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707694) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 9:53 PM Author: laughsome office immigrant Just do randomized control studies on high risk patients bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596979&forum_id=2#40707782) |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 11:31 PM Author: Racy lime area pozpig Lol Libs will kill hundreds of thousands to show Orange Man Bad |
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Date: August 5th, 2020 12:42 PM Author: irradiated up-to-no-good parlor Yale faculty members: we disavow
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/08/04/statement-from-yale-faculty-on-hydroxychloroquine-and-its-use-in-covid-19/#gsc.tab=0 |