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Kirkland NO FALL BONUS

Yikes. I can understand a firm’s inclination to be...
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V25s are all paying out up to 40k to senior associates as a ...
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just V25 or will this trickle to V50 then V100?
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(Xo 2020)
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it was a reasonable question
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I think this stays a V25 thing with a few notable exceptions...
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I think it's a sign that year end bonuses will be as good as...
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  09/18/20
At least in the V25 yes, agreed.
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"Just trust us, we promise we'll make sure you get paid...
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For the KE folks who seem puzzled why their reputation never...
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Will milbank be on kirklands level in 5 years?
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Are the V25 firms really doing that well? Are associates bi...
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  09/18/20
My sense is that associates are billing AROUND status quo (w...
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doesn't this whole thing prove once and for all that BIGLAW ...
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I don't think so I think industry pundits get off on predict...
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The firm bills fourth years out at ~$990 per hour, with fift...
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K&E associate here. I have it on good authority from a v...
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Date: September 18th, 2020 11:24 AM
Author: excitant at-the-ready death wish nursing home

Yikes. I can understand a firm’s inclination to be transparent with associates, but you have to wonder if it would be better to say nothing at all. And for those associates who thought working for — far and away — the richest Biglaw firm meant of course you’d get market bonuses? Lolololol. COVID makes fools of us all.

So what exactly happened?

Last night, Kirkland & Ellis sent around a message indicating that yes, they are aware that fall bonuses are making their way through Biglaw, but no, you should not expect them. The firm acknowledged the discrepancy between top of the market and what they’re doing and said they’d take the market into account during year-end bonus time, but made no clear commitment.

Read the memo for yourself:

Let’s check in with our Kirkland readers —- y’all, they’re not okay:

Associates are livid. Despite the general lack of transparency, we were told that our office was up 20% year on year. What a slap in the face to everyone who’s been grinding all year under difficult conditions.

The email doesn’t contain a commitment to true us up, it’s just an anodyne statement that they’ll take them “into account.” What garbage. These cheapskates have been talking for months about how the firm is having a banner year (for instance, the funds group is apparently on track to have a billion dollars of revenue on its own), but they can’t share it with associates.

I’m a senior associate at K&E. I think that what they’re going to do here is roll it into the year-end bonus, then use it as an opportunity to scrimp. So where in years past the average bonus was 1.25x (I snuck a pic of the powerpoint last year and I’m pretty sure that’s what the average was, but I can’t find it now), now they’ll be able to lower it to 1.15x but make it look ok because they’re aggregating it with the year-end bonus. And of course people with below-class ratings are going to get the shaft and they won’t compute them into the statistics about what’s “average”. This is a complete money grab, but exactly what I’d expect from the partnership here.

If you forward the email on your phone, you can see that they were tweaking the “and we intend to be so again this year” phrasing. Like, these guys were definitely on a Zoom call together trying to figure out how to polish this turd without making any true commitments.

Morale is NOT GREAT.

Another K&E person chiming in to describe the mood among my friends as FUCKING IRATE. I like the firm and generally drink the koolaid, but the fact that they call themselves compensation leaders twice in the “sry no bonus” email is ridiculous. Please vote us down in Vault.”

KE associate checking in — they said they would consider fall bonuses when determining December bonuses. But still. Bullshit. Lots of people will just get screwed given the individualized system we have. This is also a fuck you move because it’s pretty clearly a signal to other firms that the KE partners don’t want them to match. Just like Covington’s lame attempt to stop the salary raises a few years ago. Shame.

I am not in restructuring, but I can only imagine how pissed those guys have got to be during this insane year.

This is a slap in the face for associates at the world’s #1 grossing law firm.

So there you go, associates are deeply upset with this development. And remember, traditionally, the firm prides itself on above market — albeit individualized — bonuses. So, whatever numbers (which will be difficult to compare since you know, individualized) the firm comes up with at the end of the year, there’s a pretty good chance that, overall, they won’t be as generous as last year. At least that’s what insiders think; we’ll see what happens come December

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940635)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 11:27 AM
Author: Racy disrespectful theater digit ratio

lol they deserve it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940649)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 11:27 AM
Author: saffron dead tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940654)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 11:48 AM
Author: excitant at-the-ready death wish nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940772)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 11:49 AM
Author: Heady burgundy organic girlfriend

wait what? who gives fall bonuses? or do you mean end of year bonuses?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940777)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 11:54 AM
Author: excitant at-the-ready death wish nursing home

https://www.businessinsider.com/davis-polk-surprise-associate-bonuses-of-up-to-40000-2020-9?IR=T

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940818)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 11:56 AM
Author: Heady burgundy organic girlfriend

HOE - LEE - FUCK!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940828)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 11:56 AM
Author: cream trailer park mental disorder

V25s are all paying out up to 40k to senior associates as a thanks for staying with it during COVID. Many of them are also giving signs that EoY bonuses will be at least as good as they were last year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940829)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:00 PM
Author: Heady burgundy organic girlfriend

just V25 or will this trickle to V50 then V100?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940856)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:01 PM
Author: fishy irradiated dilemma mad cow disease

(Xo 2020)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940876)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:48 PM
Author: Heady burgundy organic girlfriend

it was a reasonable question

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941311)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:49 PM
Author: cream trailer park mental disorder

I think this stays a V25 thing with a few notable exceptions for lower-ranked firms with huge restructuring or other counter-cyclical work. Frankly we have to see if it even totally propagates within the V25 Kirkland's faggot move may ruin the momentum.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941317)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:50 PM
Author: Heady burgundy organic girlfriend

I think it's a sign that year end bonuses will be as good as last years generally speaking though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941324)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:58 PM
Author: cream trailer park mental disorder

At least in the V25 yes, agreed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941398)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 11:55 AM
Author: cream trailer park mental disorder

"Just trust us, we promise we'll make sure you get paid later, we're lawyers, you can rely on our word."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940822)



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Date: September 20th, 2020 12:20 PM
Author: erotic bearded menage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40954019)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 11:58 AM
Author: swashbuckling lodge candlestick maker

SHATTERS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940845)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:14 PM
Author: cream trailer park mental disorder

For the KE folks who seem puzzled why their reputation never seems to match their rise in the Vault ranks over the last 5-10 years, this should help clarify a lot. Reminds me of something Quinn would do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40940989)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:39 PM
Author: fishy irradiated dilemma mad cow disease

Will milbank be on kirklands level in 5 years?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941228)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:44 PM
Author: slate talented people who are hurt

Are the V25 firms really doing that well? Are associates billing more than before?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941293)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:46 PM
Author: cream trailer park mental disorder

My sense is that associates are billing AROUND status quo (with obvious exceptions in places like restructuring) and that in and of itself is considered a cause for celebration since they're maintaining in the midst of a global pandemic / quarantine while working from home over Zoom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941299)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:49 PM
Author: Heady burgundy organic girlfriend

doesn't this whole thing prove once and for all that BIGLAW is wasting money on big extravagant office space?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941316)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:51 PM
Author: cream trailer park mental disorder

I don't think so I think industry pundits get off on predicting the demise of the traditional model but people want offices and travel and in-person meetings, if for no other reason than w/h separation and burn out. This isn't a forever moment. Will some things change, yes. More work from home is probably a permanent thing. But people predicting the demise of the big shinny office don't understand human or corporate psychology.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941329)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:57 PM
Author: slate talented people who are hurt

law firm partners are some of the last people in the US that have oversized offices and associates are the only young people in any industry that often have their own offices.

I do think there will be a shift in law firm lease negotiations and build outs to get rid of wasted staff space and maybe go to uniform office sizes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941388)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:58 PM
Author: slate talented people who are hurt

i guess this is finally separating the wheat. A LOT of firms have been struggling with billables and especially collections.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941397)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 12:59 PM
Author: cream trailer park mental disorder

Yeah this is going to be the major separation moment between the super-elite and the rest of the Vault / AmLaw that pundits have been predicting for a decade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941409)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 1:35 PM
Author: Ruby location

The firm bills fourth years out at ~$990 per hour, with fifth and sixth years well above $1,000. I've been in partners' offices for multiple calls with GCs about our way-too-high bills (silently, obviously, but passing notes to the partners when helpful) where the partners refuse to negotiate the bill even where associates are obviously goosing their hours to get a better bonus and instead stick to the message that "we charge premium rates for premium work." If they know they can get away with such objectively shitty behavior, I can assure you they do not give a single fuck about what this looks like to clients.

They're just cheap. The "shattering" thing ended a long time ago. These days, it's a lot of extra work for a little extra money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941649)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 1:38 PM
Author: Ruby location

This is a copy paste from TLS. I lost it at the part about passing notes where helpful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941673)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 1:59 PM
Author: excitant at-the-ready death wish nursing home

TLS is down right now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40941820)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 3:05 PM
Author: excitant at-the-ready death wish nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40942170)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 3:06 PM
Author: azure appetizing business firm

Not even a free Costco membership?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40942176)



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Date: September 18th, 2020 4:49 PM
Author: cream trailer park mental disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40942765)



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Date: September 21st, 2020 9:30 AM
Author: fishy irradiated dilemma mad cow disease

K&E associate here. I have it on good authority from a very-well connected NSP that this is simply a matter of logistics. K&E is much larger than Davis Polk and Milbank with a different structure (associates that are W-2, NSPs that are K-1). The approvals needed to pay bonuses and process/implementation of making payment is simply not worth the time and hassle now when the firm can get everyone to the same place (if not better) in 3 months. They matched in Summer 2018, but heard it was a pain then to orchestrate from top to bottom on the admin side.

Also heard from a different source (this was from a share partner) that the firm is ripping and whatever the aggregate payout number is, it's a drop in the bucket and the firm can pay it no problem. They were surprised that the firm didn't match now, but understood that the logistics of paying an unanticipated bonus at K&E just isn't worth it when the firm is so busy and they're going through the process in 3 months time anyway.

Not a great reason in my opinion, but I've been there for 5 years now and they've always paid me considerably above market (1.5x at least), so I have no reason to think they won't come through at bonus time this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40958287)



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Date: September 21st, 2020 9:32 AM
Author: Red philosopher-king black woman

they will pay the minimum necessary to prevent a mass lateral movement, and not a penny more

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40958294)



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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:38 AM
Author: excitant at-the-ready death wish nursing home

Loled at "well connected NSP"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40958630)



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Date: September 21st, 2020 3:18 PM
Author: fear-inspiring fortuitous meteor

"As a well connected street slut,"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40960483)



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Date: September 23rd, 2020 11:01 PM
Author: blathering sick background story

Lol you’re a real sucker. “We totally could have easily paid this but we just chose not to to avoid some paperwork!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40976282)



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Date: September 24th, 2020 12:39 AM
Author: Outnumbered Aromatic Locus

totally understand thank. now can you reopen that motion you put together in a PDF with exhibits and change the font on the number page to size 10 not 11 on every page. thanks!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40976941)



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Date: September 24th, 2020 6:11 AM
Author: Supple sanctuary tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40977454)



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Date: September 21st, 2020 9:31 AM
Author: Supple sanctuary tattoo

But EVERYONE is a "Partner" now at year 5!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40958291)



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Date: September 21st, 2020 2:55 PM
Author: excitant at-the-ready death wish nursing home

Cravath partnership meeting this afternoon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40960309)



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Date: September 21st, 2020 3:16 PM
Author: rebellious boistinker principal's office

On balance, in balance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40960468)



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Date: September 21st, 2020 7:19 PM
Author: excitant at-the-ready death wish nursing home

S&C matches DPW.

https://abovethelaw.com/uploads/2020/09/SullCrom-Special-COVID-Bonus-e1600727837521.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40962026)



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Date: September 23rd, 2020 10:44 PM
Author: White Hairraiser Pocket Flask Area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40976168)



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Date: September 23rd, 2020 11:42 AM
Author: excitant at-the-ready death wish nursing home

I'm a senior at K&E and a few weeks ago I accepted another job under the assumption that the bonus scale would be down this year and deciding I was ok missing the payout. Obviously that was a pretty big miscalculation. Between the special DPW bonus, the insinuation that the scale is going to be at least as good as last year, and having received a merit rating and hours that would both lead me to believe my bonus is going to be well above market, I really want to stay until the money hits my bank account.

Does anyone know when a K&E bonus really "vests?" Historically they've had the bonus meeting a few days before Christmas and paid it out on 12/31. If I put in my notice the day after the bonus meeting and tell them my last day is 1/1/21, am I going to get my bonus? I may be able to hold off my new job until then but I think they're going to have limited flexibility since it's the government and I want to tell them the shortest possible timeframe consistent with me getting the bonus.

There's no point reminding me that I made a miscalculation, I just want to understand if there's a way to mitigate it now that I know I'm giving up about double the amount of money I originally thought I was giving up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40972029)



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Date: September 23rd, 2020 11:45 AM
Author: hairless doctorate cuck

Don't do anything until the $$$ is in ur account

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40972049)



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Date: September 23rd, 2020 11:02 PM
Author: blathering sick background story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40976292)



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Date: September 23rd, 2020 11:46 AM
Author: Floppy federal parlour wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40972052)



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Date: September 23rd, 2020 10:42 PM
Author: maroon titillating stock car roommate



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Date: September 23rd, 2020 11:03 PM
Author: blathering sick background story

You must be employed by the firm the day the payment is made, or else they won’t pay you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40976295)



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Date: September 24th, 2020 12:33 AM
Author: painfully honest headpube crackhouse

Tell ppl u r working with that you're planning a 2 wk vacation 1/1-1/14, and start delegating your work. On 12/31 when the bonus comes in tell them the vacation is permanent, ie you decided not to return.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40976919)



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Date: September 23rd, 2020 11:15 PM
Author: stimulating stage telephone

You're in BigLaw again

You're in BigLaw again

You're in BigLaw again

You're in BigLaw againnnnnnnnnnnn

NO BONUS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40976395)



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Date: September 24th, 2020 6:10 AM
Author: excitant at-the-ready death wish nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4627062&forum_id=2#40977452)