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Neighbor is being difficult over fence repair
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:10 AM Author: adventurous point Thought xo might enjoy this:
The back fence along the rear end of our property line adjacent to the house directly behind us has collapsed.
Apparently the owner of the house directly behind us, Mr. Wang, rents that house out.
I proposed to Mr. Wang and his wife that we go halfies on repair and he told me 1) he’s not responsible for the fence as its not on his property and 2) he didn’t put the fence up--it was there when he bought it.
Obviously this is annoying nonsense and he should just do what I proposed as that is more than fair but we determined that the fence may be partly on his property and partly on mine (because of the treeline), or it may be solely on his property, or it may solely be on my property.
I have offered to pay half the fence replacement cost if it is entirely on his line or if it moves between the two property lines. And I would pay 100 percent if it is on my line. Utterly fair, I think—a win-win for him and for me, because I want to get the fence back up.
But he wants a land study (at my expense apparently) to make this determination—that is, to determine where on the properly line the fence is.
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:11 AM Author: Naked gas station offer to go in half on the land study (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958454) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:21 AM Author: adventurous point I forgot to ask for that when we were talking but I'm going to put it into the total costs when we conclude. How much do you think a land study is going to cost? I guess i could still call up and say "hey let's go halfsies on the land study" because he really didnt know what the fuck he was talking about when he was trying to tell me it was my responsibiltiy not his. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958517) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:11 AM Author: razzle-dazzle flesh tanning salon the easy solution is put up a large wood privacy fence that's about 2 feet over his property line. never talk to him again. after 5 years file the new property boundary lines with the county. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958456) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:13 AM Author: Naked gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958466) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:16 AM Author: Vibrant duck-like crackhouse This is what I would do but then Im a litigious Jew who wouldnt even give my neighbor $100 when my workers melted a shop vac he was storing on the property line with blow torches when they were welding by new fence/gate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958489) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:18 AM Author: Stimulating flickering alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958494) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:18 AM Author: razzle-dazzle flesh tanning salon why was he storing a shop vac outdoors? if he was using it within 24 hours of its destruction then you were wrong, otherwise you're in the right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958496) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:24 AM Author: Vibrant duck-like crackhouse This is Brooklyn and the houses are small and attached so it all makes perfect sense. Duder's basement is 650sq feet. Anywhere else and this would be autist flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958537) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:26 AM Author: razzle-dazzle flesh tanning salon so his vacuum was outdoors unprotected from the elements or it was inside his garage with the garage door opened when affected by your property work? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958555) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:29 AM Author: Vibrant duck-like crackhouse It was in a garbage bag. Technically only the garbage bag melted and dripped plastic all over the vacuum. I was cool with paying for it if he would demonstrate that the vacuum was no longer operational. He refused to do that. I understand the vacuum'a aesthetics are ruined but its a shop vac and not a Rolex so I dont give a flying fuck if it has melted black garbage bag all over it -- I wont pay full retail on a new vac so long as the old one still works. I offered him $50. He refused it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958574) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:30 AM Author: razzle-dazzle flesh tanning salon you have no duty to control the temperature levels on his property. perhaps if you caused acid rain that burnt holes in his roof we'd have a different outcome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958584) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:19 AM Author: stirring nofapping theatre kitty cat Also put a bunch of beehives along it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958502) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:20 AM Author: Vibrant duck-like crackhouse Nah, just leave out rat poison for his dog. This too is something I have done when my neighbors dog was barking too much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958508) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:21 AM Author: razzle-dazzle flesh tanning salon that's fucked up. it's not the dogs' fault their owners suck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958515) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 1:32 PM Author: Submissive international law enforcement agency You're full of shit. NYPD would investigate this the way they investigate murder and you would be charged with felony animal cruelty and do actual prison time. I knew some guy whose dog died in Central Park and they suspected that some guys might have done something. They send the dog in for a full autopsy, toxicology report, and so on. Turned out the dog had a fucking stroke. Prosecutors were ready to charge them all with felony animal cruelty and put them away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40959679) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 1:34 PM Author: adventurous point judges dont fuck around w that shit either (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40959692) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 1:37 PM Author: Submissive international law enforcement agency Nor do employers. He would be totally unhirable if his name ever showed up in a Google search for something like that or if he got convicted for anything. His company would shitcan him for cause the day charges were filed.
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Date: September 21st, 2020 1:46 PM Author: Submissive international law enforcement agency Note: this is Are Reptile
Date: September 21st, 2020 10:20 AM Author: ,,,....,,,,,,,;';',,,,,,.,.,,;;.,,,
Nah, just leave out rat poison for his dog. This too is something I have done when my neighbors dog was barking too much. |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 8:59 PM Author: Misanthropic theater stage clown What kind of argumentative insecure 5’6 kike makes up an obvious lie about murdering someone else’s dog in cold blood and for no reason, thinking THAT’s what will really impress strangers on the Internet?
I mean, kind of answering my own Q here given who were taking about but still, jfc |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:21 AM Author: razzle-dazzle flesh tanning salon you should cultivate bees along the property line. it's not as malicious as you insinuate, petro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958510) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:22 AM Author: Unholy pink kitchen feces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958519) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:24 AM Author: flushed brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958540) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:17 AM Author: Swashbuckling Frisky Hospital Corn Cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958897) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:26 AM Author: House-broken sexy site so you get a higher tax bill plus a fence that you have to maintain? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958553) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:29 AM Author: razzle-dazzle flesh tanning salon how's the tax bill higher? they won't assess a higher price based on few hundred square feet going up from the past survey. assessment won't go up until he sells the house, and it won't matter if he buys a new house within 9 months of selling this one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958576) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:12 AM Author: stirring nofapping theatre kitty cat Forget about the old fence, just put up your own fence on your own side of the property line, and never need to deal with him again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958462) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:19 AM Author: hairless azure nowag this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958503) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:20 AM Author: flushed brethren "why fight, mon freres, we will just cede Alsace and the germans will never bother us again!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958507) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:22 AM Author: adventurous point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958523) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:27 AM Author: Disrespectful giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958561) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:29 AM Author: vivacious stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958570) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:47 AM Author: underhanded hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958705) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:09 AM Author: Comical garrison Cr. Plus he is the one that wants the fence. It makes sense that he would need to pay for it. The other land owner seems perfectly happy with no fence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958841) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:13 AM Author: adventurous point The other landowner also wants a fence, apparently. And in any event, some action will have to be taken because the old fence is now an eyesore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958869) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:13 AM Author: Stimulating flickering alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958468) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:15 AM Author: flushed brethren sounds like he has all the leverage. send your wife in after him, you have to fight fire (azn) with fire (another azn) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958481) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:21 AM Author: flushed brethren failing that you need to go full shitlaw nuclear on this guy. This is the task you've been training decades for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958512) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:35 AM Author: Alcoholic stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958609) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:45 AM Author: adventurous point When my wife found out that it was Mrs. WANG who returned my call and asked me to come outside and meet her and her husband and the neighbor at the fence line, she told me to "Be STRONG! YOU know those CHINESE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO BULLSHIT." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958680) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:19 AM Author: Vibrant duck-like crackhouse Did you not have a survey done when you bought the house? LJL at needing another land study now. In NYC at least everyone does a survey when they buy property because the city's records are old and shit. You even do this with attached housed because its never clear where your yard ends and the community driveway begins. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958499) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:20 AM Author: adventurous point I should add that my realtor told me that the fence was on the neighbors property line at the time i bought the house. That is also consistent with the way the fence is facing.
The Chinese guy bought it FISBO style from another neighbor, who told the Chinese guy that the fence was on my property. That neighbor, the neighbor who sold the house to the Chinese guy, joined in the conversation and started to argue with me all sorts of nonsense as well. |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:20 AM Author: Stimulating flickering alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958509) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:26 AM Author: Vibrant duck-like crackhouse Bro, just pay for the fence. You have a possible adverse possession claim. If there is any chance at all that the fence was really on his side of the property the last thing you want is a survey that shows this. Just pay for the fence and then do what you need to do to adverse possess his dirt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958556) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:31 AM Author: adventurous point its like half an acre in the suburbs. I dont care about any of that law school stuff. I just need a privacy fence so I can smoke my weed in private. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958587) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:47 AM Author: underhanded hall What do you mean the way the fence is facing? In my jx you have to point the good side at your neighbor. Costs more if you want to also look at the good side from your yard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958702) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 12:20 PM Author: adventurous point yeah, the good side is facing me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40959225) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:21 AM Author: House-broken sexy site if it's on your side of the property line then its your fence and you have to fix it. same for him if it's on his side. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958516) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:23 AM Author: adventurous point yeah. I know.
And I was totally cool and told him i would go halfsies if it was on his property but he didn't even want to do that and contested whether it was on his property at all or not.
Lol his freaking Chinese wife started trying to sell me on the theory that whichever homeowner put up the fence was responsible and the FISBO seller tried to tell me the fence was up when HE bought the house so it must have been my previous owner who put the fence up. JFC. Just accept that I'm being totally nice and fair about it--I just want you to chip in, Mr. Wang. |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:24 AM Author: House-broken sexy site splitting it in half makes no sense. also you're a creepy weirdo and the guy prbably wants nothing to do with you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958541) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:26 AM Author: adventurous point That response is about as dumb as they come. Always a pumo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958549) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:30 AM Author: flushed brethren once you're living next to a rental you're fucked. The absentee owner has no interest in keeping the property nice, or in keeping good relations with you. He's just milking an income stream. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958577) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:33 AM Author: adventurous point If I end up paying for the replacement fence even though its on his property line I'll just replace it and sue him and take judgment. Chinese people hate being sued, so it would probably get resolved that way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958599) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:42 AM Author: House-broken sexy site if you fix or build shit on his property he should sue you.
just install a fence on your own property if you actually want a fence and want to control how it's maintained. |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:31 AM Author: House-broken sexy site get the county or town or whatever to come in and figure out where the line is and who owns the fence. only an actual retard would get into some "halfsie" agreement for a fence that they don't even own and isn't on their property.
clearly you know it's actually your fence and you're just trying to screw the guy but he isn't having it. |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:37 AM Author: adventurous point Not at all, pumo.
My realtor said it was his, its turned outward like its his, and his neighbor (who's house is also behind mine but further to the south so only a bit of the same fence is shared as between us but that part of the fence hasnt fallen down) actually confessed to me that his portion of the fence was actually on his property line, but he thought the fence meandered between the two property lines on the relevant part. Of course he said that because he was the one who sold the house to MR. Wang to begin w, FISBO style, and he had represented to Mr. Wang at the time Wang bought the house that the fence was on my property not his.
I just want the landlord to pay his fair share. I'm not into maintaining other people's property altogether for gratis. 50/50, okay, but not all on me unless the fence is on my property to begin with.
It irritates me this chinese LL wants to argue with me when I'm giving him a great deal as it is. |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:41 AM Author: flushed brethren sue them all (fed ct because Wang is foreign national) and bring realtor in as an interpleader (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958650) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:00 AM Author: Crimson bbw Sounds like you need to know where exactly your property line is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958779) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:06 AM Author: adventurous point Right. Any way its done I need that information so i dont mind getting a survey or whatever w respect to the fence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958816) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:12 AM Author: Comical garrison Not necessarily true. If its on the neighbor side the neighbor still does not need to fix it. He can leave it broken. It is his land and his fence he can do what he wants with it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958857) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:17 AM Author: adventurous point no its broken enough to where local regs would technically apply. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958896) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:25 AM Author: razzle yellow forum messiness just enjoy the extra land that he just gave u (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958543) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:30 AM Author: adventurous point There needs to be a fence there. I dont want some fucking renters w a straight shot to my back yard. The fence was originally on his property and I'm offering to pay half to replace and put it back up, even though its his responsibilty to fix. (It's all fucked up now and hanging sideways and shit.) I suppose I could confirm that its on his property and then he could take it down and not put anything up. But he is a LL so presumably he'd want to keep the fence up for his tenant. That would be the alpha move on his part I guess but its hard to say no to a guy offering to pay half the costs for a new fence in such a situation. |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:32 AM Author: Stimulating flickering alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958591) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:32 AM Author: razzle-dazzle flesh tanning salon if he won't pay for a survey just pay for the fence and as imputed consideration from him add a few feet around your property line. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958594) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:38 AM Author: razzle yellow forum messiness what i mean is, get a written statement from him confirming that it's not his property, and then build the fence urself. make sure u document that u offered to pay half of it if it was on his property, and keep records of how much it cost to build the fence.
the next time he tries to sell his property, this will cause title search problems for him and if it's long enough down the road it may cause adverse possession issues for him too |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 10:39 AM Author: adventurous point Great idea. I like it. Honestly thats more work for me than to just pay for it and sue afterwards, which is easy. |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:05 AM Author: razzle yellow forum messiness u can also check ur property and ur neighbor's property records at the town hall. sometimes they have a survey on file over there -- might be worth a quick check. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958807) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:13 AM Author: Comical garrison On what basis would you sue? Does the neighbor somehow owe you a fence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958866) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:19 AM Author: adventurous point Right. It would technically be something along the lines of "Cleaning up his mess" costs for a fence that was below local regs, as well as nuisance and trespass, as the fallen boards and posts are now most definitely in my yard.
It's not hard to be creative enough to get into court. Remember Ive been doing this for a long ass time. |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:16 AM Author: Comical garrison Or even simpler, get the land survey, hire your own fencing contractor, take a liberal approach with what land is yours. The neighbor likely wont even notice and you get some more land out of it plus you dont need to deal with the neighbor over fencing issues. Taxes will not be impacted because no one ever actually goes out to take measurements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958889) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 1:38 PM Author: Submissive international law enforcement agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40959715) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 1:46 PM Author: razzle yellow forum messiness if u can get a cheap survey and get the surveyor to draw lines that way, sure
a survey in my area costs north of 1K and surveyors are backed up due to heavy workload due bc construction is taking off |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:29 AM Author: judgmental chestnut haunted graveyard base Does the back fence connect to your side fencing or his? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40958966) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 12:04 PM Author: adventurous point it connects to the other neighbors side fencing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40959152) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 11:53 AM Author: Lilac wagecucks church building Walk around the backyard with no hat on, your hairline will terrify them and they'll put a new fence up ASAP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40959091) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 12:01 PM Author: Exciting Abode How much could a fence cost-- just pay for a new fence for godsakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40959134) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 12:04 PM Author: adventurous point I know, I'm sure I'm going to pay at least part of it.
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Date: September 21st, 2020 1:41 PM Author: Submissive international law enforcement agency Ask for him to put in writing that the fence is on your property. If he signs then repair it yourself and enjoy the land he gave you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40959744) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 1:43 PM Author: Tripping Infuriating Field Dog Poop You’re going to want to start with a Phase I environmental study of both properties. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40959757) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 2:03 PM Author: Thriller Geriatric Lodge Depressive sounds like he doesnt give a fuck and you care tremendously. you should just pay for it. if i were him i would have no interest in going 'halfsies'. either just leave it broken or take it down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40959891) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 2:08 PM Author: unhinged shaky location twinkling uncleanness im actually with OP here.
something happened to his neighborhood and he wants to fix it. I think everyone else in the neighborhood besides the Chinese guy wants the same. He proposed a very reasonable solution irl. He has stated repeatedly that he's not interested in being a litigious jew. he just wants to smoke weed in his backyard in private, and doesn't want to look at this destroyed fence all fall, when it will freeze over and rot in the winter and by spring, the demo costs will 3x when everything thaws and gets half buried and fucks up the landscaping.
How far is the fence from his house? You could say, okay, I'll DIY but I have a 9-5 so it's gonna take me some time and I'll have to work at night. Then shine massive floodlights into his house |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 2:13 PM Author: medicated candlestick maker pit In my opinion, the credited response here, is just to take the fence debris away and let it be. Maybe the neighbor will fix it at his expense after all? This fence sounds like it was some relatively cheap 4x4 post with pickets or framed sections. If you want the fence, build it yourself and absorb the cost. If you don't want the fence, let it be open. Maybe build a fence later to sell your house if need be, but until then, just let it be. It's stupid as shit to try and get your neighbor to go halfsies on costs. Of course his response is going to be no. That's what neighbors do. they say "no." Welcome to suburbia. |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 2:32 PM Author: hyperventilating principal's office indirect expression OP = Spaceporn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40960121) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 8:50 PM Author: Puce Balding Menage Mother Say what you want about spaceporn. He's a first tier content creator. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40962528) |
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Date: September 21st, 2020 9:29 PM Author: adventurous point Well dont say what you want if you want to out me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4629595&forum_id=2#40962800) |