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Date: June 19th, 2004 9:13 PM Author: vermilion thriller dopamine I've heard many people on this board advocate against using Leews, but I can't seem to remember why? Or does anyone on this board that has used it think it works well? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#763721) |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 9:19 PM Author: Wonderful property The problem with LEEWS for students attending top schools is that most exams are not the issue spotters that LEEWS addresses. LEEWS is excellent for issue spotters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#763749) |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 9:26 PM Author: Glittery fanboi site Of course I have started LS yet, so I don't know, but the students I've talked to at the LS I'm attending (a "top law school") said the tests are issue spotters. I'm not trying to argue, because like I said, I don't know. But can you elaborate how you know this (outside of CLS), or can someone else confirm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#763788) |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 9:28 PM Author: vermilion thriller dopamine I'm still wondering what a top law school is? Top 5, 15, or 25? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#763797) |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 9:37 PM Author: Wonderful property It is just the impression I have. If you know you will have, or even if there is a chance you'll have, issue spotters, by all means do LEEWS. As I said in my original reply, it is excellent for issue spotters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#763833) |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 9:27 PM Author: vermilion thriller dopamine So if the exams are not issue spoters, then are they mostly policy? MC? Does that make Getting to Maybe better since it is more abstract. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#763792) |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 9:43 PM Author: Wonderful property I can't put all my finals into one category like "policy." I can just tell you that first semester one half of my exams were issue spotters and this semester 2/3 of one exam (out of 4 total) was an issue spotter. I think Getting to Maybe is also very useful, for issue spotters too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#763850) |
Date: June 19th, 2004 9:29 PM Author: comical bright piazza headpube Even on issue spotters, professors want way more than that crap. Sometimes their issues are so fucking out there that no "system" can help. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#763802) |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 9:34 PM Author: vermilion thriller dopamine Here's another question:
Is it better to have a system, then not have a system?
Lots of people get A's with Leews, and others with other systems, so they must all work to some degree. I'm just wondering if they work because they are "a" system and not necessarily "the" system. Maybe it is just better than walking in and just mental dumping on the page.
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Date: June 19th, 2004 9:36 PM Author: comical bright piazza headpube Sadly, some professors like mental dumping. Some want lots of issues. Some want lots of arguments on a few issues. Some professors only test on several major issues (via short answer), so issue-spotting isn't such a big deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#763828) |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 10:33 PM Author: overrated talented bawdyhouse jinx is right, exams are clearly professor dependent. Some profs want lots of policy in your exam answer, like my property professor did, and others only want issue spotting, like my contracts professor did. People who got A's who took LEEWS probably would have done well without the LEEWS class anyway. |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 10:35 PM Author: comical bright piazza headpube What's even worse is when a professor refuses to provide a model answer. Makes your grade a total gamble. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#764040) |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 10:48 PM Author: ultramarine mentally impaired newt native Subject: I took LEEWS... it was a waste of money. I think there were 10 or so other people from my LS in my LEEWS class but I think I am the only one of them in the top-10%. I would have had the same results without LEEWS. Pretty positive on that one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#764101) |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 9:38 PM Author: Naked Swashbuckling Menage Yarmulke I got the tape version of LEEWS. I found it helpful in giving me a way to approach a fact pattern, and also give me some insight about how nit-picky you can get with analysis. I don't do everything they say to do...I sort of adapted it so it would work well with the way I operate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#763836) |
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Date: June 20th, 2004 12:01 PM Author: Arousing chrome gas station masturbator concur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#767304) |
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Date: June 20th, 2004 10:53 AM Author: Impertinent honey-headed sweet tailpipe Subject: LEEWS and beyond I found that by integrating the conflict pairing concept of the LEEWS tapes and some of the concepts in "getting to maybe", it made for a good "system". I do agree with posters that there is no "one size fits all" system, but these seem to help. While LEEWS focused on setting up and addressing the conflict pairs, "Maybe" had a nice angle on looking at issues from differing applicable laws (common, statutory, restatements) which was valuable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#767176) |
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Date: June 20th, 2004 11:34 AM Author: outnumbered dingle berry Subject: Nothing works for everybody, and we only give anecdotal evidence MY anecdotal experience: everybody that I spoke with (who took LEEWS) found it helpful--some found it a bit helpful, others found it extremely helpful.
LEEWS costs less than some people spend on study aids in one course (Contracts, say). I'd say it's pretty cost effective.
I only wish I'd taken LEEWS before starting LS, instead of in my penultimate semester. I might have actually learned (i.e. retained) something, instead of having to try to learn it now in BarBri. |
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Date: June 20th, 2004 12:06 PM Author: rebellious rigor Why in the world would you take Leews as a 3L? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#767312) |
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Date: June 20th, 2004 12:22 PM Author: outnumbered dingle berry Subject: Actually took it the second semester of 2L Only had five semester in LS. But I had a journalmate who took it her last semester in LS, and still found it helpful--for those courses, and for her bar exam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=47108&forum_id=2#767331) |