Preparing for doomsday and hyperinflation: what to invest in?
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Date: January 24th, 2021 4:07 PM Author: insane thriller shrine
I’m thinking:
Land
Liquor
Gold
Guns
I was telling my black wife that these are the things we are going to buy when I sell our stock.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4747780&forum_id=2#41816602) |
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Date: January 25th, 2021 4:45 PM Author: floppy puce set giraffe
removal of 1031 exchanges
removal of step up basis upon death
increased estate tax
tax on unrealized gains
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4747780&forum_id=2#41822797) |
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Date: January 25th, 2021 4:50 PM Author: Disgusting mental disorder
removal of 1031 exchanges
--not used often enough in the wild to fuck with the market as a whole
removal of step up basis upon death
--huge, but if that happens ALL assets suck, but RE is the hardest to value perhaps outside of closely held companies
increased estate tax
--huge, but same as stepped-basis, its universal, and RE is more opaque than most other asset classes
tax on unrealized gains
--nonsense wealth tax. not constitutional unless directly apportioned by state
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4747780&forum_id=2#41822847) |
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Date: January 25th, 2021 4:54 PM Author: arrogant volcanic crater reading party
"--huge, but if that happens ALL assets suck, but RE is the hardest to value perhaps outside of closely held companies"
Gold bars aren't really going to be reported to anyone.
"--nonsense wealth tax. not constitutional unless directly apportioned by state"
Yeah, shitlib SCOTUS will totally see it that way.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4747780&forum_id=2#41822871) |
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Date: January 25th, 2021 4:51 PM Author: arrogant volcanic crater reading party
If you make the country undesirable to live in, RE here will collapse too.
Let crime increase.
Make nice places import ghetto shitheads.
Defund the police.
Make evictions/foreclosures harder. That'll reduce lending dramatically.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4747780&forum_id=2#41822852)
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Date: January 25th, 2021 8:36 PM Author: plum mildly autistic trailer park
I'm gonna assume $3k -- $1k will barely get you a gun in today's market.
1. Get an AR. I'll drop some options.
- Get a SIG M400 Tread for LESS than $1,000 at the following link. You will see some of them labeled as pistols; this is due to barrel length and the type of stock (it's technically a brace) -- these are functionally a rifle except that the brace is much worse to use than an actual stock. It is possible but illegal to install a stock on it instead. It's also possible to install a much better brace than the ones those come with -- if you choose to get the 11.5" barrel length, you should also be prepared to spend $150 for a buffer tube and the SBA3 brace, and then install it. If you're not interested in going through all of that, get one with a 16" barrel. You may have to do some auction hunting -- If you can't get one for <$1,000, move to the next option. If you can snag this one, you won't have to buy a red dot either: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/890086985 Link to look at others (you'll have to scroll about halfway down): https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=m400%20tread&PageSize=96&Sort=5&View=1
- Get a PSA PA-15: https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-pa-15-16-nitride-m4-carbine-556-nato-classic-ar-15-rifle-13-5-m-lok-rail-black.html
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2. Get the following accessories for the rifle:
- 6 mags ($90): https://gunmagwarehouse.com/elite-tactical-systems-ar15-223-556-30-round-magazine.html
- sling and mounts ($25): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071W3P55P/ + https://www.amazon.com/3-Pack-Swivel-System-Tactical-Swivels/dp/B08JCN5XDY/
- Red dot ($140): https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Holosun-Paralow-HS403B-Red-Dot-Sight-with-Push-But-p/holo-hs403b.htm
- If you're going to be in open rural country (visibility of >300y a majority of the time), I'd consider adding this magnifier as well ($200): https://www.amazon.com/HOLOSUN-HM3X-Flip-Side-Magnifier/dp/B07RNFR8JK -- I'm not including this in your overall price though because idk whether your situation necessitates it.
- Ammo; get two boxes of this ($405): https://www.trueshotgunclub.com/product/ppu-5-56x45-62-grain-m855-fmjbt-battle-pack-200-rounds -- if that's gone buy the time you're buying, look on https://ammoseek.com/ammo/5.56x45mm-nato and scroll til you can find some that's in the quantity you're looking for. I'd get at least 400 rounds.
- Forward grip ($30): https://bravocompanyusa.com/vertical-grips-hand-stops/ -- Whether to use a vertical foregrip, or an angled grip -- called a "KAG" on that page -- or nothing at all is an issue of personal preference, but in my experience they make it remarkably easier to reduce muzzle rise. Also realize that the short vertical grips are meant to be held like this: https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Daniel-Defense-Vertical-Grip-2-1-768x512.jpg -- rather than like a handle.
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3. Chest rig ($60): https://www.military1st.com/bvchrigsopscoy-viper-special-ops-chest-rig-coyote.html
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4. Nevo 50l Rhino Internal Hiking Backpack ($80): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004VRKWR4/
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5. Fill your backpack with the following things:
- Fire kit. This is just a gallon ziplock, which you should fill a quarter of the way with petroleum jelly, and then fill to the halfway mark with cotton balls. Close the ziplock and knead the vaseline into the cotton balls until they're thoroughly saturated; add more vaseline as needed. Add a 5 pack of bic lighters to the ruck and this is set.
- Sawyer Water Filter Mini ($25): https://www.amazon.com/Sawyer-Products-Water-Filtration-System/dp/B00TOX6UM6?th=1
- Water bladder of some sort; I like this one, but you could also get a camelbak or something similar; MSR 4 liter water reservoir ($40): https://www.amazon.com/MSR-Dromedary-Bag-Water-Reservoir/dp/B01MXWBDLV?th=1
- Poncho (doubles as a shelter/tarp) ($35): https://www.amazon.com/Military-Tactical-P20000mm-Waterproof-Material/dp/B083Q6MJD3/
- 200' of paracord ($25): https://www.amazon.com/PARACORD-PLANET-Mil-Spec-Commercial-Paracord/dp/B00ACL4VJI/
- 0° sleeping bag -- if in colder climate, you may want to get a better one than this; I can recommend a few -- ($90): https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/slumberjack-ronin-0degf-mummy-sleeping-bag?a=2157703
- Sleeping pad ($45): https://www.rei.com/product/829826/therm-a-rest-z-lite-sol-sleeping-pad
- Food; you can get MREs, or get 5 pounds of beef jerky and some of these bars -- just make sure you have some non-perishable food ready to go in case you have to hit the road: https://www.sosproducts.com/SOS-food-bar-p/350237.htm
- Solar phone charger ($40): https://www.amazon.com/26800mAh-Riapow-Wireless-Portable-Flashlight/dp/B088WG2VXT/
- Garmin GPS ($180): https://www.amazon.com/Garmin-010-01772-00-Foretrex-601-inches/dp/B073NXKWYN/
- Headlamp ($15): https://www.amazon.com/GearLight-Headlamp-Flashlight-S500-PACK/dp/B07QGRWZNB/
- Fixed blade knife ($70): https://www.knifecenter.com/item/UT11UTKS5/utica-11-utks5-fixed-black-1095-drop-point-blade-micarta-handles-molded-sheath-with-sharpener-and-fire-steel -- keep on your belt or on your chest rig
- Rain cover for pack ($40): https://eberlestock.com/products/featherweight-pack-rain-cover?variant=16875817173043
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6. Med stuff. Linked below is a big med kit, a small med kit, and some tourniquets. Don't use the small kit for small stuff if avoidable; it's an IFAK (individual first aid kit) and you should keep it on you to treat major trauma, like if you get shot. It's best attached to a belt or plate carrier. Use the big main kit to treat stuff when able.
- Solatac Multi-Casualty first aid kit (add neosporin, ibuprofen, and tylenol to this) ($270): https://solatac.com/home/index.php/product/multi-cas-kit/ -- all the med gear you need to treat most common injuries for your family
- Five CATourniquets (keep two on you in pockets/pouches when shit kicks off, have every adult with you keep one on them, and throw remainder in the big medkit) ($150): https://www.narescue.com/combat-application-tourniquet-c-a-t.html
- Solatac IFAK ($65): https://solatac.com/home/index.php/product/black-multi-cam-bok-filled/
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7. Howard Leight Impact Pro electronic hearing protection ($50): https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01902/dp/B007BGSI5U/ -- anytime you have your rifle on you, wear these; you'll be deaf after ten rounds otherwise. They amplify ambient noise, so your situational awareness isn't killed.
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8. Five to ten gas cans (depending on your vehicle/space -- you need space for the rest of this list too) ($125-250): https://www.amazon.com/GarageBOSS-GB351-Gallon-Press-Pour/dp/B07GBBG5LZ/ -- this extends your driving range significantly; when things start getting bad you can fill them and place them in your trunk
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This puts you at $3,085. However, if you already have a good fixed blade knife, you can take that item off, and you can leave off a gas can leaving you at $2,990.
Next item should be a CCW pistol, but these items are a greater priority. Zero your optic at 36 yards -- see here for why: https://www.vigilanceelite.com/blogs/vigilance-elite-blogs/36-yard-zero
You should use as little ammo to zero the gun as possible. Set aside 300 rounds and don't use it. Any remainder is your training budget. This is virtually nothing, but it will improve your comfort with the weapon. Before you go to the range to zero it, you should do a lot of dryfire practice at home. I can provide you a curriculum for that if you'd like -- dryfire is essential when you're training with limited ammo. Get a lot of good dryfire reps in before going to the range. Zero the optic, and then work on presentations and transitions with whatever ammo you have left.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4747780&forum_id=2#41824114) |
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Date: January 25th, 2021 9:03 PM Author: plum mildly autistic trailer park
Your wife doesn't hold the pursestrings and certainly shouldn't run the relationship, just tell her how it'll be.
If you're not willing to do that, realize that a lot of this can be chalked up as camping gear -- that doesn't count against your gun budget. You're getting a house in the woods? Yeah, you're gonna need some hiking gear and so forth. Ear protection and gas cans are easily justified as related to maintenance, or something other than "the world's gonna fucking end and I'd rather we didn't die in the first month, bitch!" That frees you up to spend that money on a pistol. You can also do this gradually if you're rich -- if you buy one numbered item every month, that's negligible monthly expense for her to worry about.
Emphasize the escalating urban violence when you discuss it with her -- the random Chicago shootings, the Atlanta and Minnesota street crime, murder rates across the country -- all of it indicates that urban living conditions are going to worsen. If you're going to have kids, make the decision they aren't growing up in that.
I grew up in Appalachia, and have family throughout WV. If I were going to leave the West, I'd go to WV.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4747780&forum_id=2#41824287) |
Date: January 25th, 2021 4:47 PM Author: arrogant volcanic crater reading party
Commodities. You mentioned Gold but other shit will also skyrocket.
Think about what will scale in hyperinflation. Consumer goods, electronics, etc. will also be pretty safe.
Don't overinvest in US-centric stocks. This place is imploding. Make sure you're investing in shit that will matter in places that might take the crown once the US falls.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4747780&forum_id=2#41822824) |
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Date: November 27th, 2021 5:09 PM Author: Spruce hall cumskin
this guy is correct. ex-US stocks are extremely cheap compared to US stocks. as long as they can pass on costs to consumers and provide a service/good actually needed, they will come out the other side.
you 100% do not want to own any company that primarily receives only US dollars (i.e. makes/sells services/goods to americans).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4747780&forum_id=2#43518279) |
Date: January 25th, 2021 6:06 PM Author: plum mildly autistic trailer park
I don't know what your capabilities or plans are, this is assuming you know or can learn anything you need to know. You also don't need everything I'm about to list -- this is just to give you a picture of what I'd consider self-sufficiency to look like.
LAND
-- Buy enough land that you can grow your own food, do some hunting, and have some insulation from any neighbors. Depending on what else you want to do with it (livestock, shooting, etc.), you may want more, but at a minimum I'd get 10 acres, and you'd be much better off with 100. If you want a lot of livestock, depending on what grazing/feed is like where you are, you may want more.
-- When you buy your land, something to prioritize is fresh water sources -- you should look closely at buying a place with a creek/spring (if you're somewhere like TN), or a well (if you're somewhere drier like WY). You should try to avoid reliance on city water, if able.
-- Build a workshop. Metal buildings are great for this. You need to be able to work on vehicles, fix and build stuff, and so forth in here. Vehicle lift is ideal so you can do any work yourself. Welder, cutting torch, lathe, table saw, and a CNC mill give you the ability to make just about anything, if you have the raw materials and expertise. At a minimum, though, you need a chainsaw, hand tools (pliers, hammer, screwdrivers, ratchet and sockets, etc.), and battery powered tools (I recommend Dewalt or Makita) like impact drivers, drills, sawz-all, pipe wrench, and so forth.
-- If you really get into gardening, build a greenhouse.
-- Get some standing fuel tanks. Farms all over the country have standing fuel tanks so they're not constantly running 50mi to town when they need to fill up. Get one or a few of those, and make sure you have sufficient fuel for all of your vehicles -- you can have a truck come out and fill those up in bulk.
-- Get whatever machinery you need for the land. At a minimum, you'll probably want a tractor and a bobcat/skidsteer. You'll want attachments for both of those -- if you're cutting hay, that takes a cutter, a rake, and a baler; if you just want to mow, get a bush hog. I wouldn't get a bunch of attachments for the tractor immediately until you have purposes for them; the skid steer, however, you'll want attachments for. I'd look at getting a loader box, a forklift, an auger, and maybe a bush hog. They're super versatile. In addition to this, you'll probably want a diesel truck that's capable of hauling a trailer (especially a gooseneck, if you have horses or cattle). I'd get an 03-07 Dodge 3500 because of the Cummins, but ymmv. If you're really building a lot (especially if you've got water projects that require lots of piping), a backhoe is absolutely 180, even the smallest models.
-- At the very least, you should plant a garden; no-till is way better for your soil health longterm, and I recommend it especially if you're doing it on any serious scale. You can rotate the growing patch each season, improving soil health and allowing time for cover crops. Just for example, if you wanted a large 50x50' garden (much bigger than you'd want to start out with), that's a little over 10% of an acre, meaning you could set aside half an acre, rotate through four different patches planting a different one each year, and then growing cover crops and throwing compost on the 3 not in use throughout that time.
-- I recommend livestock; chickens will provide you eggs, dairy goats and cattle will provide you milk, sheep, meat goats, and meat cattle will provide you meat. Cattle take some work and infrastructure though, and you'd want to maintain a very small herd since it's just for personal consumption. I'd get just a bull and a heifer or two if you decide you want to get into this. This is a big step though, and not for everyone. Do a lot of homework first. Chickens and a garden should be the minimum though.
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GUNS
-- You need an AR with a good optic, a sling, mags, a light, and a chest rig or plate carrier.
-- You need a pistol you can carry concealed, and mags.
-- If you own more than 10 acres (or the 10 acres you own is pretty flat/unwooded/high visibility), you should have a longer range rifle in a cartridge like .308, 6.5 Creedmoor, or similar; you need a good optic for this, a bipod, and a rangefinder.
-- It is useful but not essential to have a .22 semiauto rifle -- great for varmint shooting and plinking.
-- You need ammo for all of your guns.
-- If you really want to maximize your advantage in any combat, get NVGs and put a B.E. Meyers MAWL on your AR; this is optional and quite expensive though.
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Don't have any advice for the liquor and gold, other poasters know far more than I about commodities investing. I do know that you should have assets on hand for barter, but that can mean skills too -- if you're a great welder or a veterinarian or a doctor, you can trade work for stuff.
A lot of this stuff is expensive, and takes incremental steps to get into unless you're rich. You also may have very different ideas about what kind of work you're comfortable with, and what tradeoffs you're willing to make -- if you don't wanna fuck with raising cattle, your tradeoff is that you either buy or hunt your meat; if you're not interested in a massive workshop, that saves you a lot of initial investment and the time learning to do the work, but you're also reliant on others to fix things that break. The level to which it's reasonable for you to commit is dependent on how self-reliant you want to be.
Let me know if you have any questions.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4747780&forum_id=2#41823313) |
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Date: January 25th, 2021 6:21 PM Author: plum mildly autistic trailer park
Yeah, this is absolutely a slow-build scenario in which you have time to prepare. In a fast collapse, your priorities are, in this order:
- Guns
- Getting out of anywhere urban
- Community (e.g. militia) or having somewhere hyper-isolated you can go (e.g. Alaska, the middle of Frank Church RONR Wilderness in Idaho) and be self-sufficient. For most people, organizing together will be essential. There will be millions trying to escape cities and flooding anywhere nearby, meaning if you're not already established in a rural area, good fucking luck; the hicks in the sticks are going to kill as many refugees as they can because they don't need resource hungry invaders. This is why moving and getting established before then is essential.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4747780&forum_id=2#41823417) |
Date: November 27th, 2021 1:16 PM Author: plum mildly autistic trailer park
Update on this?
I believe this was a chilmata post
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4747780&forum_id=2#43517226) |
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