Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:07 PM
Author: autoadmitaddict (becoming lazier and la)

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#794945)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:08 PM
Author: Royale with Cheese (is it in you?)

years of hard work and self-aggrandizing. i'm pretty sure it's better than chicago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#794954)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:09 PM
Author: autoadmitaddict (becoming lazier and la)

chi is dope. but dont lots of schools self-aggrandize?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#794961)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:11 PM
Author: AmericanConsumer

most do so within the bounds of reality. cooley is like the crazy guy at the bus station claiming the ability to fly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#794971)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:14 PM
Author: Royale with Cheese (is it in you?)

http://www.cooley.edu/rankings/overall2004.htm

not like this.

i bet you didn't know that cooley is better than duke and chicago, now did you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#794987)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:19 PM
Author: netequevaris (irrumabo@pedicabo.vos)

duke: the cooley of the east.

feeling alright?

*pungenda pungenda*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795017)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:21 PM
Author: Royale with Cheese (is it in you?)

my pain quota is now being filled by cramps rather than sunburn.

did you hear from columbia?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795035)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:26 PM
Author: netequevaris (irrumabo@pedicabo.vos)

only: we received your fax tuesday afternoon and were unable to respond then. we request that you submit another fax by noon so that we can respond by 5

fo shizzle.

you need a hot, steamy injection of chocolate. my recommendation of the day: ghiradellis double chocolate mix.

the stuff makes water look hot chocolate without the chocolate.

feel better.

*pungenda pungenda*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795056)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:33 PM
Author: Royale with Cheese (is it in you?)

thanks... i've been trying to figure out what to eat since i never had dinner. chocolate ice cream does sound good..

that's totally lame about columbia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795117)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:11 PM
Author: Great Teacher Onizuka (RIP Ronald Reagan 1911 - 2004)

Making up their own rankings and still only being ranked in the mid-20s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#794969)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:12 PM
Author: autoadmitaddict (becoming lazier and la)

haha i have seen those. that answers my ?--- i forgot about those

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#794979)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:13 PM
Author: Gunner

Shitty location.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#794983)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:17 PM
Author: onehell

By starting with the potentially noble goal of making the law a non-elitist profession, that is, by giving people the chance to study what they want to study, or at least try, and then failing them out if they fuck it up (as many of them will.) Then, they became deserving of derision by fucking up their own mission, and claiming to be something they very much are not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795006)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:21 PM
Author: onehell

..oh, and as an afterthought: They have separated themselves from most other low-tier institutions because most other such places have (at least tacitly) acknowledged their place in the world. They then proceed to mint their share of attorneys, many of whom do well and/or go on to do good (albeit not elite) things. This wasn't enough for cooley.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795033)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:15 PM
Author: In Soviet Russia, Rule 12 violates YOU! (How do you do? Now you gonna die...)

"Cooley" is funnier and more succint than "Nova Southeastern." It also gets bonus points on this board for sounding like a racial slur.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#794994)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:18 PM
Author: Gunner

Ture it does sound sort of 3rd worldly, a filthy, mangy, brown coolie carrying the gents baggage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795009)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:16 PM
Author: Lionel Hutz

1) They have a virtually open admissions policy

2) The dean of Cooley, Judge Brennan, published his own rankings, in which he ranked his own school in the top 20

3) People bash it to make themselves feel better

Interestingly, Thomas Cooley himself was one of the first deans of the University of Michigan Law School.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#794998)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:18 PM
Author: Royale with Cheese (is it in you?)

did thomas cooley ever actually have anything to do with cooley law school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795013)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:19 PM
Author: Lionel Hutz

No. Cooley Law School was started in the early 70's, long after Cooley died.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795023)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:21 PM
Author: In Soviet Russia, Rule 12 violates YOU! (How do you do? Now you gonna die...)

He must be turning over in his grave. Isn't there some way to protect your name after you're dead?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795032)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:22 PM
Author: Royale with Cheese (is it in you?)

i would think the family could sue if they had wanted to

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795036)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:25 PM
Author: In Soviet Russia, Rule 12 violates YOU! (How do you do? Now you gonna die...)

I wonder if Cooley would hire its own graduates to defend it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795049)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:26 PM
Author: Royale with Cheese (is it in you?)

may it please the court

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795051)

Date: June 24th, 2004 1:47 AM
Author: This board has declined 75% (An American Oxford Hopeful 2005 / AIM: lotsofissues1)

This is there most desperate hour - the ABA will decide whether to stip Cooley of accreditation. Cooley is suing for its life.

But who are the attorneys representing Cooley? Certainly not alumni.

So no they could not hire their own grads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#796122)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:21 PM
Author: Rowan (roooaawwwwrr)

I think it gets picked on primarily because it sends lots of solicitations to students with LSAT scores far above its 75%, and because it made up its own rankings which put it in the top 25 schools or so. The rankings thing especially made it open for attack, the rankings are easy to attack and that can sometimes make the creator of the rankings easy to attack.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795034)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:26 PM
Author: Lionel Hutz

Cooley gets a bad rap. I'll admit, the rankings thing is pretty stupid, but I think that they've done the community somewhat of a service by taking in people who ordinarily would not have had the opportunity to attend law school. And despite their lax admissions policies, the curriculum is just as rigorous and challenging as that of any other law school.

Oh, and they have at least one prominent alum: former Michigan governor John Engler.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795054)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:28 PM
Author: In Soviet Russia, Rule 12 violates YOU! (How do you do? Now you gonna die...)

"the curriculum is just as rigorous and challenging as that of any other law school."

You can't really believe that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795069)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:29 PM
Author: Lionel Hutz

It is, dude. They flunk a lot of people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795078)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:32 PM
Author: In Soviet Russia, Rule 12 violates YOU! (How do you do? Now you gonna die...)

Yes, DESPITE the fact that the curriculum is far less rigorous than it is at good schools. They take a year to cover what most schools cover in a semester. Look it up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795101)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:34 PM
Author: Lionel Hutz

Okay, perhaps not ANY school, but the bottom line is that it's ABA-accredited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795124)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:35 PM
Author: In Soviet Russia, Rule 12 violates YOU! (How do you do? Now you gonna die...)

Irrelevant. Accreditation is a mimimum standard, not an endorsement that a school is as rigorous as others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795132)

Date: June 24th, 2004 12:09 AM
Author: Lionel Hutz

Granted, but accreditation does mean that they meet the minimum standard of academic rigor required to produce competent attornies (as determined by the ABA).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795420)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:36 PM
Author: Great Teacher Onizuka (RIP Ronald Reagan 1911 - 2004)

Not for much longer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795138)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:36 PM
Author: onehell

Isn't the schedule of any full-time 1L pretty much the same? Everyone takes property, crim, torts, civ pro, Legal research & writing (or Legal practice or whatever they call it), contracts, & con law?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795140)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:41 PM
Author: In Soviet Russia, Rule 12 violates YOU! (How do you do? Now you gonna die...)

At Cooley, first year classes spill over into the second year because they take a year to teach most first year subjects. At better schools, those courses are generally only a semester long.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795177)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:45 PM
Author: onehell

Hmm... where I go, those classes amounted to 1L year and nothing spilled beyond.. Criminal law, torts, and constitutional law were all one semester, but property, LRW, Civ Pro, and Contracts took the whole year. Is this normal?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795212)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:48 PM
Author: In Soviet Russia, Rule 12 violates YOU! (How do you do? Now you gonna die...)

At top schools all those classes are usually only a semester long except LRW. Below the top-14, I don't know.

What's funny is that Cooley, in order to make room for the longer classes, only teaches one semester of LRW. And they don't teach it until the second year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795237)

Date: March 8th, 2006 3:34 AM
Author: Bigtard

i go to a school ranked well below the top 14 -- it's around 60 -- and that's what our schedule is like. i have friends at law schools ranking from harvard to northern illinois university. we all seem to cover the same material. i haven't seen any notes from my niu friend, but my friend at hls and i swapped notes last semester, and we covered almost the exact same stuff. i didn't notice any big distinctions between the amounts of black letter law and theory taught. that leads me to think that you have to reach a strong level of shittiness before the oft-mentioned "3 year bar review" effect kicks in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#5279112)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:35 PM
Author: Royale with Cheese (is it in you?)

you seriously think they're doing a SERVICE to the community by admitting people who otherwise would not be able to go to law school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795128)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:37 PM
Author: Lionel Hutz

In a way, yes. They have the most flexible part-time program of any law school in America, and offer classes at locations all over southern Michigan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795145)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:41 PM
Author: In Soviet Russia, Rule 12 violates YOU! (How do you do? Now you gonna die...)

But why is it good to create more dumb lawyers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795184)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:45 PM
Author: Lionel Hutz

If someone can graduate from law school and pass the bar, they are not dumb. Like I said, Cooley admits a lot of people, but they flunk a lot too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795211)

Date: March 8th, 2006 12:12 PM
Author: fsupp

i'm not sure if you can count on the bar to screen out complete idiots, especially in certain states. everyone would benefit from limiting the number of lawyers to only those who are truly qualified, especially when you think about the number of cooley p.d.'s out there...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#5280795)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:43 PM
Author: Royale with Cheese (is it in you?)

i thought you were speaking of people who wouldn't otherwise go to school because they were dumb, not because of scheduling issues. still, there are many schools with far superior part-time programs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795193)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:48 PM
Author: Rowan (roooaawwwwrr)

I don't think it necessarily implies that. No matter how high you set the bar for admissions to law school in general, there's still someone who's going to be catering to the lower end of that bar. Cooley fills a need, there's no quarrel with it there. It's just its attempt to portray itself as something it's not that irritates people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795236)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:50 PM
Author: In Soviet Russia, Rule 12 violates YOU! (How do you do? Now you gonna die...)

It supplies a demand. I'm not so sure it fills a need, at least by my understanding of that term.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795242)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:52 PM
Author: Rowan (roooaawwwwrr)

If there's a demand for attorneys who fill the jobs that Cooley graduates generally get, then I would call that a need. Although people generally don't find the public defender/personal injury attorney/other lower-paying jobs that prestigious, there certainly is a need for people to fill them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795256)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:56 PM
Author: In Soviet Russia, Rule 12 violates YOU! (How do you do? Now you gonna die...)

I'm not convinced that we *need* more ambulance chasers, even if there is a market for them. I also get the impression that a significant percentage of TTT and TTTT grads never find work as lawyers at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795284)

Date: June 23rd, 2004 11:59 PM
Author: Rowan (roooaawwwwrr)

I don't think it's fair to portray all personal injury attorneys that way. They get a lot of shit on this board, but generally people are happy they have those lawyers if they are the ones injured. A firm like the one I work for wouldn't go near a case like that, and I think everyone has the right to have someone represent them. Some individuals within the practice may not be good examples of lawyerly ethics, but I guess since I'm going into corporate practice and we've had some embarassments there too, I can't really say anything about all the people running small practices around the country.

Since lower tier schools generally place regionally, there would assumably be a need for a certain number of such schools in every region. Whether those schools are too *large* might be another matter. Of course...a lot of schools that aren't in the third or fourth tiers also have lousy employment rates...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795311)

Date: June 24th, 2004 12:08 AM
Author: In Soviet Russia, Rule 12 violates YOU! (How do you do? Now you gonna die...)

Good points, all. But if you look just at just the state of Michigan, there are at least three other borderline-quality law schools. I really doubt a state of Michigan's size has enough legitimate need for lawyers to absorb that kind of influx every year. And a lawyer without a job--especially one who isn't particularly concerned about prestige or reputation--is a dangerous creature.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795408)

Date: June 24th, 2004 2:07 AM
Author: 0percentfinance (illhaveanother@beer.com)

You're assuming that all LS grads want to work as lawyers. But quite a few law grads would never even think of practicing law (It's that repulsive). They get legal training for other reasons (HR comes to mind). Additionally, many lawyers find that they can't stand the legal profession. So they use their skills in other ways. In fact, there's even a book out there called something like 100 Things to Do with a Law Degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#796265)

Date: June 24th, 2004 12:08 AM
Author: Lionel Hutz

Not just that. There are plenty of people who want to go to law school but can't because they are intelligent but have had a rough past, are hard-working but terrible at standardized tests, are poor, have a sick relative to care for, or any number of things. Cooley is ideal for such people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#795402)

Date: August 11th, 2005 12:56 PM
Author: consultant, inc.

it is quite amazing that cooley has managed to out TTT other rivals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#3559822)

Date: March 8th, 2006 3:00 AM
Author: noncuratlexus

bump for cooley trolls - the bestest trolls on earth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#5278945)

Date: March 8th, 2006 3:00 AM
Author: cooleydefender

YOU ARE ALL LIARS!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#5278949)

Date: March 8th, 2006 3:23 AM
Author: ...mobiusnu... (Afterwards I wiped my tail with an attorney's bag.)

I tried to get people to pick on Texas Southern (and it's numero uno piss poor LSAT scores) a few years ago, but people really like picking on Cooley.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#5279065)

Date: March 8th, 2006 4:44 AM
Author: cooleydefender

Doesn't it bother you that as a future member of the legal profession, you have NO MORAL COMPASS!!!!

"Picking" is wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#5279378)

Date: March 8th, 2006 4:47 AM
Author: ...mobiusnu... (Afterwards I wiped my tail with an attorney's bag.)

I'm not a future member of the legal profession. I don't have any use for a moral compass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#5279391)

Date: March 8th, 2006 4:50 AM
Author: cooleydefender

Then you're a fucking uninformed cuntrag who shouldn't be talking about fucking law schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=48846&forum_id=2#5279405)