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Date: September 21st, 2021 2:35 PM Author: house-broken incel we need someone who actually knows HLS to unravel this nonsense. Thoughts on this?
https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749250&mc=91&forum_id=2#43153010
https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926172&mc=49&forum_id=2 |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 10:07 PM Author: Bat shit crazy selfie water buffalo I am very far out of the loop on what it is like at HLS these days. For example, the first Latina to be admitted was in my class. Clearly times have changed. However, it's hard for me to believe the Dean of Students has the power the complainant alleges. Given that he is black I would expect kid glove handling, too. I suspect there is much more to the story. HLS will never tell its side due to privacy considerations.
OTOH, I understand HLS has become so woke that no outrageous situation is totally unbelievable. Recently there was a poaster named Assload who was a current student. He might know something if he's still around. |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 10:14 PM Author: Misunderstood goal in life Not assload but current student. Tough to know how their internal procedures work but I think the registrar and dean of students would indeed need to give out paperwork for him to transfer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183031) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 10:16 PM Author: Floppy Charcoal Center Philosopher-king It’s right on the “forms” page on the registrar’s website. But it really comes from DOS. He’s definitely not lying about that part. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183046) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 10:21 PM Author: Bat shit crazy selfie water buffalo I'm sure that's always been the case, but it doesn't seem reasonable that they would arbitrarily withhold stuff - transcripts, etc. I think something material is missing from the tale. Is the place unbearably woke? When I was there we still had conservative faculty and students. Still remember when some women boycotted a class because the prof. mentioned "widows feeding at the trough of dower." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183087) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 10:23 PM Author: Floppy Charcoal Center Philosopher-king https://today.law.harvard.edu/polyamory-and-the-law/
no, not unbearably woke at all, just the lgbtq+ clinic promoting polyamory.
totally normal stuff.
and he fits right in and isn’t threatening at all to libs: fed soc, aipac, wachtell, hedge funds, totally what they think a colored person of color should be doing |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 10:25 PM Author: Bat shit crazy selfie water buffalo My Jewish housemate in college claimed he once fucked a deboned ham. Wonder where that falls on the amore spectrum? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183113) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 10:26 PM Author: Floppy Charcoal Center Philosopher-king Not sure, but the new jewish atheist chaplain at harvard can help us sort it out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183117) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 10:17 AM Author: angry organic girlfriend Is it Kosher if you take the bone out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43184625) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 10:27 PM Author: Bat shit crazy selfie water buffalo You make a good point about his affiliations. Maybe he got zapped for white cultural appropriation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183120) |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 9:09 PM Author: Floppy Charcoal Center Philosopher-king lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43198682) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:35 PM Author: confused big theatre literally execute everybody involved in this kike shit:
Natasha Aggarwal LL.M. ’21 didn’t know much about polyamory until last spring, when she became a clinical student in the LGBTQ+ Advocacy Clinic at the WilmerHale Legal Services Center of Harvard Law School. But after working at the clinic with the newly created Polyamory Legal Advocacy Coalition, Aggarwal, a corporate lawyer from India who came to HLS last year to study feminist theory, says: “Now I feel very, very strongly about it.” |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 10:30 PM Author: Misunderstood goal in life It's insanely woke in general especially after Trump, but they do a decent job of protecting fedsoc, hiring a few conservative professors, and so on. However, the admins are woker than the faculty. If it does end up being politics, I suspect what happened is that some woke student org got really offended at the guy and the admins decided to take matters into their own hands. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:32 AM Author: Chestnut menage milk what would cause some woke student org to get offended?
do fed soc members go around doing and saying unpopular shit, to get a target on their backs? |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:25 PM Author: red unholy crackhouse useless brakes FedSoc is nothing like some local College Republicans group going around doing affirmative action bake sales. Much more timid and wanting to have an air of "refined thoughtful legal scholarship" about them (doesn't do them much good if you read deranged lib twitter, though...) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43190729) |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 3:10 AM Author: insecure school cafeteria Good ol' Assload. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43194666) |
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Date: October 20th, 2021 9:22 PM Author: Nudist cyan corn cake cumskin I’m dying cracking up from this. We just take it in stride we have poasters named Assload (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43304496) |
Date: September 21st, 2021 2:38 PM Author: magical ladyboy library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43153174) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 10:29 PM Author: Floppy Charcoal Center Philosopher-king Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183144) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 10:55 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Hi folks,
Without confirming or denying that I am the student in question, I will say that I am willing to confirm/explain certain things off-line (or, perhaps better put, off this forum) to OldHLSDude. I was directed to these posts about HLS and about me by another user (a current student). If there's a good way to be in touch with you, OldHLSDude, please let me know. I wouldn't usually post on a site like this, but given that I'm already being discussed here, I may as well confirm certain things to a user that other users appear to trust (like OldHLSDude) rather than have my reputation harmed by accusations and doubts that go unaddressed.
The story is significantly worse than what's been discussed. It is really, really bad. It's very political, both internally and in the traditional sense of the word, and it's just incredibly inappropriate. It's also sad -- makes it hard to see the school in the same way. (And no, I didn't start it.)
I'll tell OldHLSDude (and show him), at which point he'll probably be in a position to confirm that I was really wronged here and that HLS has a lot to answer for.
Thanks, BB |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 10:57 PM Author: racy pink prole international law enforcement agency Welcome to the rest of your life friend.
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:03 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thanks. I hope you mean that in a good and non-ironic way. |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:04 PM Author: racy pink prole international law enforcement agency You'll do just fine here
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:09 PM Author: jet azn school https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GhSW9vDTRyY/mqdefault.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183329) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:18 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thanks for the warm welcome, semicolon-period-period-period... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183355) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:28 PM Author: Harsh step-uncle's house dopamine Welcome! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183391) |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 3:16 AM Author: insecure school cafeteria https://i.imgur.com/5icUEDt.jpeg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43194672) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:08 PM Author: Misunderstood goal in life Have you considered getting a lawyer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183322) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:13 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook One would need money for any lengthy protracted engagement with HLS or for any serious negotiation.
Separately, some lawyers have indicated that if it weren't the law school, they would be willing to help, but because it's the law school, they don't want to get involved. Some see it as a bad look, for lack of a better term, to assist a student who claims that HLS administrators engaged in misconduct -- not because they don't believe me, but, I think, because they do. Especially so for lawyers admitted to practice in MA, where there is such strong HLS influence that affects one's social standing and professional network. |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 11:08 PM Author: Elite sick stag film new version get harmeet dillon or some other rnla affiliated lolyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188795) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:12 PM Author: low-t kitchen dog poop just happened to find a moniker laying around when registration has been closed for years huh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183338) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:14 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Registration isn't closed. I just filled out the form. It took thirty seconds.
If you click log in and click register (the image on the left), a form comes up. It's right there, it isn't closed at all. |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:15 PM Author: low-t kitchen dog poop 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183348) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 10:27 PM Author: Free-loading space tattoo lol he used his real .edu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188561) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 11:10 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Not exactly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188800) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:21 PM Author: judgmental glassy hospital hey bro.
i would up in a situation very similar to yours that put my career and life in limbo and took years to resolve, caused by a handful of people in power with an axe to grind + institutional malaise. it was a kafkaesqe nightmare and i still have ptsd about it.
reading your twitter posts really brought me back to that and i really feel for you. wish you the best. the uncertainty and waiting is maddening, i'm sure. the class you started 3 years ago is now graduating and going off to work while you have to sit around with a thumb in your ass. fucking despicable. |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:28 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thanks a lot. Very much appreciated. For me, it's the uncertainty, the waiting, and the horrific financial impact. I had no safety net, so I was completely screwed. Lots of hard times. I think that's why the Dean of Students thought she could trash me -- she figured I would have no way to defend myself.
She was wrong, and now she's gone, but obviously the situation isn't quite resolved yet. |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:35 PM Author: judgmental glassy hospital for anonymity sake i can't provide further details, but i was in pretty much the exact same situation. add to that the embarrassment and reputation hit of everyone assuming "well, you must have done something wrong" (hey, maybe you did. i wasn't completely innocent but the consequences *vastly* outweighed anything i did). every job interview, networking connection, friend, relative, etc. you've gotta go through the whole story about what's going on and what happened. and on top of that, when you're left in complete limbo, you're constantly being asked by concerned people in your life what's going on, but only able to respond "idk, still waiting". i still have nightmares about it, literally.
if you ever want to vent to someone who has been through similar circumstances, my throwaway email is gunneratttt@gmail.com |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:57 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook That's exactly, exactly what I've experienced. That's part of why I had to finally make a pinned Twitter thread about it. Now it's HLS that has to defend itself, not me. Now it's the dean of students who has to explain why she left, not me. And they can't.
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Date: September 27th, 2021 12:31 AM Author: judgmental glassy hospital well if the facts are as you say, everything should come out fine in the end. my situation was caused by my own actions. maybe you'll wind up being the poster child unfair treatment of right leaning people in academia. that could present a lot of opportunities.
anyway, the limbo and uncertainty spanning years is truly horrible. at the time i wished i could have just been sentenced. it would be comforting to know there was a deadline when everything would be over. not knowing and not being about to plan is maddening. especially when they delay is likely caused by typical bureaucratic bullshit.
best of luck, brother. |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:30 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thanks! Yes, this did not begin with wrongful conduct by me — at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187887) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:33 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national stop being a histrionic b*tch & accept your insignificant, meaningless role in society (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187899) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:37 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Histrionic? Waiting three years to go semi-public about this is not “histrionic,” IMO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187917) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:38 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national going public over petty academic bullshit like this is histrionic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187925) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:40 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook After three years of trying to resolve it quietly, options seemed slim. Do note that I haven’t had any formal press write about it. If I were “histrionic,” this wouldn’t be a story about a yearslong matter you’ve never heard of before 5 minutes ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187938) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:44 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national based on what i’ve read it’s pretty clear that the only option you have left is to get an affirmative action sinecure and slowly rot away into insignificance in the corporate nightmare (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187958) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:44 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook We’ll see. “Affirmative action sinecures” are not really my thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187964) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:45 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national everything you say indicates otherwise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187967) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:39 PM Author: confused big theatre ignore septic queer. he's the resident idiot and is just trolling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188299) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 10:04 PM Author: Gaped trip theater stage (Shamrock99) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188411) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:25 AM Author: Harsh step-uncle's house dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189133) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 4:29 PM Author: house-broken incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43202393) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 4:22 AM Author: Razzmatazz jet-lagged sneaky criminal deer antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43184002) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:59 AM Author: Cheese-eating violent national do u do anal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43184520) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:39 PM Author: sable halford why do you want OHD on your side he can't do anything for you good or bad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187929) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:18 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook If I were to forward him one or two emails, I think he would both post here something along the lines of, “wow, believe it or not this guy actually did get screwed,” and also might have ideas on how to proceed.
I’ve lost a lot of time so I’m seeking help where I can, as best I can. Not sure what else to say. Maybe it’ll be futile but it is worth a try. |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:49 PM Author: sickened salmon rigor Are you autistic? I am autistic. Very autistic. In fact, I am the moast autistic here. Care to have an autism battle? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187985) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 10:25 PM Author: Free-loading space tattoo OldHLSdude is our most trusted and esteemed poster fwiw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188550) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:19 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook When are users most active here? It seems to me like it's fairly quiet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183357) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:25 PM Author: Cracking location background story Probably around noon and then around 5 again eastern time. There's also a california crowd that comes out around 9 pm eastern (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183381) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 11:28 PM Author: low-t kitchen dog poop there will be more people posting tomorrow but most people here are 35-45 and just wont care that much. feel free to start a thread telling your side of the story and im sure it will get 100+ posts eventually. but all this off board verification stuff no one will really care to do. depending on whether you are actually trying to accomplish something with it you may not even want to waste your time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43183392) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 12:38 AM Author: Harsh step-uncle's house dopamine Correct, basically people here are going to want to know the details soon(ish) or will lose interest.
I mean we’ll still follow it, as stuff comes up in the news. But it won’t be a focus. |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 1:27 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Understood. See more recent posts below. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43194527) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:51 PM Author: sickened salmon rigor There's a very annoying dip right around 8pm ET. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187996) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:11 PM Author: Harsh step-uncle's house dopamine Kidmos bedtime (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188151) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:16 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Samuel L. Jackson has thoughts on this, apparently. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188184) |
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Date: October 1st, 2021 5:12 PM Author: Floppy Charcoal Center Philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43207586) |
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Date: October 1st, 2021 5:54 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43207761) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:57 AM Author: Self-centered Pontificating Casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43184497) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:33 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook She’s the wildcard in all of this because everyone LOVES her — which is why I am so baffled by the fact that she was even involved. It’s totally out of character.
Without confirming or denying whether I've written to her, I'll say that if I have written to her, she has not responded yet. I can’t believe she wouldn’t just say, “we goofed, I should have spoken up, let’s end this.” It is absurd. Same goes for another HLS staffer with the initials R.S. I don’t want to believe that this person is a bad person, but then, why not end it? |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:36 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Frankly, what I just wrote goes for most of the staff involved. It’s all so contrary to their reputations. Really intelligent people doing things that are nonsensical and harmful. It makes me wonder if they were told to treat me a certain way for bad reasons, and now don’t know how to come to terms with the fact that their assumptions and beliefs (or things this former dean of students may have said) were wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187909) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:37 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national it’s also contrary to your reputation to be familiar enough with this extremely racist chatbort to trust a schizophrenic neocon like OldHLSDude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187920) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:43 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook He’s apparently the only user known to be affiliated with HLS and considered to be reputable, which is why I’m willing to chat with him more. I’m not really “familiar” with the board - I was directed to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187952) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:44 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national you’ve come to the wrong place. people have had their lives ruined just by participating here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43187960) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 8:52 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national on xo i pretend to enjoy eating human shit in gay male sex acts and some poasters seem to enjoy these threads. do you think you’ve come to the right place? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188005) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:02 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national how long until this AUTISTIC LOW IQ AFFIRMATIVE ACTION RETARD blanks all his poasts and runs away? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188071) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:06 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Listen, you’re not interested and we don’t know each other. Perhaps letting it go is the right approach for you? There are many other topics. Spending time and energy on an “autistic low-IQ affirmative action retard” seems like it is a waste of your time. Maybe find something else to do? Up to you, but it seems unreasonable that you would continue posting in this thread given how you feel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188099) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:30 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national it seems very unreasonable that you would continue posting in this thread given what you’ve revealed already.
i can predict the future. three things are going to happen soon:
1. you will realize you’ve made an enormous mistake by poasting about this here
2. you will blank all of your poasts
3. you will run away |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:13 PM Author: Harsh step-uncle's house dopamine septic queer, wtf is your problem? This guy is here to CREATE CONTENT. Welcome him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188165) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:22 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thanks. Ultimately, I’d love nothing more than to sign an NDA promising to never discuss this again and agreeing to remove all discussion of this on Twitter/LinkedIn etc. My only goal is to get back to my studies, keep my head down, and try to have a good career. HLS seems to be treating me like a litigation risk and being very cautious for that reason, despite the fact that I just want this to be over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188204) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:26 PM Author: low-t kitchen dog poop When are you going to graduate?
post graduation plans? Do you want biglaw?
Your profile says your interests are M&A? That sounds incredibly boring, no offense. |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:41 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Yes, biglaw, M&A has better / widest range of exit options. I have other interests and options but they all go through law school or B school and I genuinely want to complete law school. No clue when I’ll graduate because my status is so unclear. Seems like a real black box until things are resolved.
Returning this term or next term and graduating in 2024 is most reasonable to me; losing another year is unfathomable to me — senseless and wasteful. Plus, this situation has been financially ruinous (I hoped to be back this term but I’m not), meaning I’m getting by on almost no money and don’t have health insurance, which is unsustainable and incredibly difficult. |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:46 PM Author: confused big theatre have you ever heard of solana? it could solve your financial issues... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188332) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:33 PM Author: judgmental glassy hospital hey dude, this is an old school message board without a lot of moderation. that means that there are several idiots who spam and say stupid stuff. there are several unhinged psychos with an infinite amount of sockpuppet accounts. so, don't take it to heart or even bother responding to people trying to get your goat. just remember that most of these people are balding middle aged lawyers who think spending an evening trolling anonymous people on an obscure law school message board is a good use of their time, and then consider whether it's worth your time bothering to talk to them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188262) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:41 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Understood. I’m not letting it get to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188305) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:47 PM Author: judgmental glassy hospital you should be careful though, people have had their lives ruined by merely being seen here. i would consider deleting anything that even remotely makes it seem like you're the guy in question. of course, you could be fake and if you're real you have plausible deniability that this wasn't you.
still - be careful. |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:49 PM Author: confused big theatre yeah as much as i enjoy the content creation its probably safter to just nuke any of your posts in this thread. IRL/reality are so fucking stupid these days that simply posting here can get you tarred with all sorts of insane accusations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188350) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:59 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Nothing posted here will be 100% identifying. Frankly, everything here could be posted by any one of hundreds or thousands of people who have read what he posted on Twitter/LinkedIn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188384) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 10:22 PM Author: Gaped trip theater stage If you’d like to stick around, you can wait 1 week and the names on all posts will be randomized. Then you can change your moniker and continue posting without it being traceable back to any old posts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188541) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:42 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Oh, I wish. The worst part of the story is that it’s all true. It’s a kafkaesque nightmare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188307) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:58 PM Author: pale office national security agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188376) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 10:05 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188413) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 9:47 PM Author: low-t kitchen dog poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188337) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 10:38 PM Author: Free-loading space tattoo BB seems like a good dooder and it sucks he's going through this.
Please explain the jewish symbol on the twitter account. I want to follow you to keep up with this, but I'm afraid. |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 11:12 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook jews come in all hues, achi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188810) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 11:13 PM Author: Free-loading space tattoo 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188816) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 11:16 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I’ll post a doc in the next 20 minutes that will explain the missing puzzle piece in the story. You will fall out of your chair when you read it, and it’ll explain a lot of the strange behavior by these administrators.
Spoiler alert: they did something horrible and can’t explain it or even discuss it without looking horrible, but their refusal to discuss it is itself confirmation of it. |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 11:41 PM Author: Free-loading space tattoo I'll be paying attention. A "friend" is a 2L at HLS right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188940) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 11:47 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook HERE WE GO...
Like I said, I didn't start this mess. What they did was bad, and embarrassing, and never should have happened.
They don't deny any of it. They refuse to confirm or deny in writing, whether this happened -- because it did happen, and because several staff and a few faculty knew about it in real time but pretended not to know.
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Date: September 27th, 2021 11:48 PM Author: Flushed death wish i was hoping this would just be a pic of rsf lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43188986) |
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Date: September 27th, 2021 11:53 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I'm not even going to ask what rsf means.
(But I do want to know.) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:04 AM Author: judgmental glassy hospital bruh i've been here for 13 years and there are still references that go over my head.
there's a poster who used to go by "reality, sorry fags" (rsf) whose dad made a ton of bread litigating against the airlines after 9/11. rsf is a jetsetting playboy to some. an oafish fat loser living off of daddy's money to others. he's an outted poaster (people know his name and can identify him) so sometimes people will poast unflattering pics of him. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:17 AM Author: buff shaky ticket booth http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2725750&mc=305&forum_id=2#26703543 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189105) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:09 AM Author: violet son of senegal house So they accused you of plagiarism, you denied it, they gave you a shit grade, and you’re pissed about it? This seems pretty trivial if this is it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189067) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:13 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Then told me not to tell anyone about the accusation, then continued covering it up. The grade wasn't based on my work. It was secretly punitive. I told the Dean about the situation and then all hell broke loose and the Dean of Students *lied on HLS letterhead* that I told the registrar I didn't want to take finals. She then sent that letter to HLS administrators -- including to herself and to the registrar -- to place me on a leave of absence. A lie that deprived me of my ability to make academic progress, to cover up a false accusation that they *refuse to confirm or deny in writing even happened*. Then wouldn't give me transfer paperwork so I couldn't go anywhere else.
Why wouldn't they acknowledge that they did make an accusation that had a basis?
Oh, that's right. It had no basis. An admission that it occurred is damning (as is a denial that it occurred, because it did indeed occur). So they won't discuss it in writing at all, because no matter what they say, they're either admitting to something they will never want to admit, or they're blatantly lying.
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:28 AM Author: violet son of senegal house This seems like something that could be worked through with a letter and a meeting. Especially now that Sells is gone they have someone to blame as having a “misunderstanding.” But I don’t see them changing the grade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189142) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:31 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I've asked to meet, even via Zoom. They are ignoring those requests. They won't talk to me directly. It's maddening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189152) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:09 AM Author: judgmental glassy hospital ljl, academia is so fucked. just a bunch of petty people fighting over petty things.
i bet you wish you took your lp and moved on, eh? i guess that's ultimately how they keep people toeing the line. good on you for standing up for yourself. i'm rooting for you. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:21 AM Author: Flushed death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189115) |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 9:14 AM Author: house-broken incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43195060) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:00 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189027) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:09 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189064) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:18 AM Author: buff shaky ticket booth you realize to be taken seriously you need to out the legal writing prof who is applying for or who has received a tenure track position... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189107) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:25 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I'm trying to avoid a desperate silly frivolous countersuit. People will do nasty things to protect their careers, as the conduct I've experienced to date clearly shows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189129) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:36 AM Author: Harsh step-uncle's house dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189162) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:38 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook It's DN.
https://web.archive.org/web/20171208053308/https://hls.harvard.edu/dept/climenko-fellowship/current-climenko-fellows/ |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:31 AM Author: buff shaky ticket booth cool. Who is her husband? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189293) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:36 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Google will tell you. It’s unfortunate because I think I might have gotten along well with him, and he’s a decent scholar. But he likely knew about what was going on and just let it go on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189307) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:32 AM Author: buff shaky ticket booth why do you think SHE accused you of plagiarism? That would have preceded the Dean's insanity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189294) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:38 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I don’t know who started it. It all happened in the dean of students office, and both she and the dean of students (and to lesser extent one other person involved in LRW/Climenko at HLS) all made comments/accusations.
DN actually said to me “Your closed memo was good/decent, if you did write it yourself.” Then said “What are you going to do differently in order to pass?”
Then Sells made comments too, as described in the imgur link above. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:41 AM Author: Free-loading space tattoo sounds like a real cunt tbh. Did you tell her that's rayciss or use the race card at all? She clearly couldn't prove anything your she would have hung you out to dry. Sounds like she had at least some reasonable suspicion that you copied/didn't cite, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189319) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:46 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook That’s what’s so messed up. They never explained it and now refuse to admit it happened, even though there were five people in the dean of students’ office meeting (all women, which may mean something, insofar as a similar situation with the same language used but with the genders reversed (five men vs one female 1L) would be verboten). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189322) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:56 AM Author: Free-loading space tattoo I agree friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189329) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 10:26 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43204003) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 6:42 PM Author: buff shaky ticket booth you did not ask for or receive any evidence to substantiate the plagarism claim? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43192714) |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 12:24 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I did. None was ever provided. Ever. They now refuse to confirm or deny that there ever even was a plagiarism accusation.
That's right.
They refuse to admit or deny that the accusation even existed, much less acknowledge that it existed or explain its basis.
That's how I know something really bizarre and bad happened. If there was some legitimate reason to question the authorship of my CLOSED MEMO, they would have told me then or would tell me now -- they wouldn't refuse to confirm OR DENY that there was ever a plagiarism accusation at all. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:34 AM Author: Free-loading space tattoo Did you refuse her advances? You could have jumped on the grenade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189304) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:42 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Honestly, when she said “What are you going to do differently in order to pass?,” it was really inappropriate and frankly I don’t think a man could say that to a female student and get away with it. Meanwhile, the dean of students and registrar (both mentioned in the imgur link above) were Title IX coordinators, which makes it worse that they knew about her inappropriate comments. The Dean of Students and Registrar then explicitly refused my written request to switch instructors for the spring LRW course, saying in writing that “under no circumstances” could I switch (which I mentioned in my email to the Dean in May 2018 and which seems like a Title IX violation insofar as course changes are a Title IX “interim/supportive measure”).
They are no longer Title IX coordinators. The school hired new Title IX coordinators who were no longer wearing multiple hats. I wonder why. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:57 PM Author: Flatulent church cuckoldry so you could have fucked your way out of this and you passed? tough break friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43190893) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:58 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189227) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:33 AM Author: Chestnut menage milk I'm sorry and I hope you find the help that you need. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189300) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:47 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thanks very much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189323) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 2:18 AM Author: Chestnut menage milk Your Twitter posts make it sound as if one dean decided to troll you to death. But, in fact, it was one professor who falsely accused you of misconduct--who set off the entire chain reaction. Is that accurate?
Are you focusing on the dean for optics purposes? |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 3:54 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook No. As described in the imgur post above, the meeting was in the dean’s office, she threatened me during it, she induced me not to discuss it with faculty after the fact, refused to ever state in writing that it did indeed happen (or that it didn’t) and then lied on letterhead repeatedly (it continued for months even after I was on leave). It’s not clear who started it, but she became the ringleader and the leave of absence was her design. If any of you know HLS faculty personally, you can confirm my accounting of events independently. The emails from me are in their inboxes. The dean of students is gone for a reason. She didn’t leave halfway through the year just for the hell of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43189455) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 6:43 PM Author: buff shaky ticket booth why would either the dean or the instructor have a problem with you as of you 1L writing class? Be honest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43192717) |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 12:28 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook You tell me. I don’t have a magic ball. I don’t know. Listen, take it or leave it. “Be honest” 🙄
Do you know know that some people run around looking for and creating problems? Some are insecure, or have biases, or personality disorders, or are gullible, or just don’t think. Have you ever, like, met people before? Do you have life experience? Do you not think it plausible that a few of those people might work at law schools?
My point is that the way these people behaved was inexplicable. Your response seems to be, “their behavior is inexplicable, therefore there must be some reason you're not telling us!”
No.
The thing that you are searching for -- a legitimate explanation -- does not exist. That's the point. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 2:24 AM Author: marvelous business firm You're obviously guilty of plagiarism.
lol at the idea HLS would accuse a black student without it being 110% bulletproof certain. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 3:51 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook You are dead wrong, but tell yourself whatever you wish to make yourself feel better. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I don’t need your support, but don’t trash me because you can’t wrap your head around the idea that administrators could royally screw up and then screw up more in hopes of papering over the first screw-up, making it all worse because the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing.
Simplistic thinking is your choice. I don’t like it, and you’re wrong, but that isn’t my problem — it is yours.
To say what you said, you must really worship administrators. You must think they are infallible, that they are gods, that they do no wrong and always act wisely.
Not the case.
“lol” at the idea that despite knowing who I am, and knowing that you can contact me, you instead choose not to contact me and to say I am “obviously guilty.” Such a leap of logic is beneath any thinking person.
Go look up my facebook posts and then tell me who is “obviously guilty.” |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 4:42 AM Author: Razzmatazz jet-lagged sneaky criminal deer antler There's no need to be upset. The pumo is likely trolling; after all, you are poasting, of all places, on a law board that's frequented by maybe two dozen mentally ill lawyers.
But I don't think you get what he's saying. Woke HLS administrators "targeting" a black Elizabeth Warren supporter of all people? All acting in unison even after turnover in one or more of the positions? I'm sure that what you have described has happened before but it's pretty rare, that's all.
What did you do for the last three years? You couldn't find a single lawyer willing to represent you? Sure, HLS may be "intimidating" but not one lawyer agreed to help you? Did you actually go to campus and insist on speaking with the DoS or members of the admin? Did you take it to Dean C's office or reach out to them? Emails are one thing but what I'm talking about here is speaking with someone IRL and explaining what you've just explained to them. Did you appeal the plagiarism charge? Are there any more in person conversations you had with them outside of the ones noted in your pdf? Did you discuss your opposition to the leave of absence with the DoS? The statute is about to run and you're scrambling to do stuff that you should have done immediately. FFS, you shared your complaint mere days before the fall semester began.
I see that you've tweeted your story out and gotten some engagement from journalists. Have any contacted you about a piece that they're willing to do? If it were me, I would send it out to every last "anti-PC/wokeness" (Bari Weiss and Quillette make a living writing about such matters) and "conservative journalist" there is. FWIW, there's a lot of DC attorneys that share that kind of thing in group chats, etc. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:21 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thanks. Will respond fully later but:
The Warren stuff was a decade ago. My politics have changed considerably, and so have hers. The CFPB as originally envisioned (a CPSC for retail / consumer credit) and TARP oversight are not hard left lib bs. She’s an ex-republican bankruptcy law specialist. 2010/2011 was a very different time.
It’s not all “acting in unison,” a lot of it is passing the buck and not acting at all.
Lawyers are not *free*. I do not have *money*.
Yes, I went to campus. They refuse to meet and say I need an appointment to be there.
Of course I tried to explain. They don’t care. They literally won’t answer calls or emails.
Of course I discussed my opposition to the leave of absence. It was involuntary. I had no choice in the matter.
There’s a four-page summary of what’s happened on my twitter page. It’s at the end of the pinned thread.
I shared my complaints on Twitter in August of this year, but I’ve been discussing it on Facebook in a handful of posts since May of last year.
Breach of contract claims have a 6-year SOL. Those claims aren't close to expiring yet -- at all.
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Date: September 28th, 2021 6:11 AM Author: Free-loading space tattoo You have to have thick skin to post here and also realize some people LIVE FOR getting a rise out of others. You don't have to prove anything to anyone here.
That said, he does make a valid point that a lot of racists on here would likely agree with. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 11:40 AM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks I probably just missed it but I was looking for some sort of reservation clause language in the current HLS handbook (something like: While every effort is made to ensure the accuracy of the information provided herein, HLS reserves the right to make changes at any time without prior notice. The College provides the information herein solely for the convenience of the reader and, to the extent permissible by law, expressly disclaims any liability which may otherwise be incurred.). It seems like that's a very common tactic for schools to cover themselves against contractual claims.
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Date: September 30th, 2021 11:50 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43200939) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 12:15 PM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks I'm always amazed at how shitty H (and HLS) is at this stuff. Why not include that clause? Then they could say BeeBee, go pound sand it's too indefinite to be an enforceable contract.
Is the registrar you talked to still there or has she left? |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 12:19 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook 1. Yeah. Indeed. Did you see (ctrl-f this thread to find) the redline of the involuntary withdrawal provision? They took it OUT a year ago, and then involuntarily withdrew me. NOW, there's new language (as of a few weeks ago) stating that students who do not get approval to return from involuntary leave after two years are constructively withdrawn, but it's clear as day that HLS by its own hand took out that involuntary withdrawal provision and then involuntarily withdrew me (!), before replacing it with an involAcLeave->constructive withdrawal provision.
2. The registrar, L.B., is still there. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 12:27 PM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks When I was there I had a professor who came in exasperated one day and just ranted for the hour about the GC of Harvard; she'd come from a meeting where he couldn't understand why their leave policies around pregnancy were clearly violative of federal law. And he's on the board of overseers too. So a certain amount of legal incompetence is par for the course there, weirdly.
Why do you think the registrar hasn't been forced to leave? |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 12:43 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Goodness gracious. The OGC is not sending its best! I have stories about them too. They aren't really the problem-solving type. It's all rather bizarre. I'm not saying that they're playing checkers and I'm playing chess. I'm saying that the OGC's disposition is "fuck you, you are powerless and don't know anything," and my response through my actions is "ummm...yeah, I'm relatively powerless, but I definitely know a few things..."
Good question about the registrar. A few possibilities:
1. She's on her way out and doesn't want to have to see me or interact with me before she leaves. Her entire office got the link to the audio file and I've copied them on some other things so what happened isn't exactly a secret.
2. Perhaps she didn't lie to/with Sells about me, but instead received the letter with Sells' lie (I know she did, I was on that email) and simply let it stand, which is serious misconduct but not as bad as explicitly lying. It's still really bad, since my education and career were derailed over it and she knew it was a lie but didn't report it or ensure it was retracted or corrected.
3. They're worried she'll sue for wrongful termination and cite the audio file as proof that she shouldn't be punished based on evidence of a supposedly curious origin. Sort of like worrying that your nanny will sue you for wrongful termination after the neighbor's backyard camera happens to catch her abusing your kids (or after the nanny slapped your kid while forgetting that your nannycam was on).
4. She's unionized and fighting it. She's got mouths to feed. Same with the data breach guy (J.Mc.)
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:49 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Let me guess...the GC at the time was Bob? If so, I am so NOT surprised. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43201495) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:24 PM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks Yes! I cross registered and took a course he taught at HGSE (figuring it would be no work). He's absolutely an idiot!
Funny, just looking at the bios of the staff there now (https://ogc.harvard.edu/people) they've got some wildly unimpressive credentials.
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:27 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43201725) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 7:07 PM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks Christ, that’s what he wound up doing?! Too funny. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43203120) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 12:28 PM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks I did see the redline. Very interesting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43201085) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 11:54 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook OH. LOL. Lakshmi Clark won't be sympathetic at all.
1. She was at the plagiarism accusation meeting and so is a witness that it indeed occurred and that Newmark, Sells, and S.T. said the things that they said.
2. She also did two things during exams that were really inappropriate, in writing, and then apparently never told the Administrative Board or others about it. I told faculty about it eventually and it is probably clear to the school that she withheld it from them.
3. In August 2019 when Sells / the Ad Board sent me a letter telling me I must not communicate with ANY current or former Harvard faculty or staff if I ever wished to return (without ever giving a reason for that directive or ever even implying that anyone was instructed not to contact me -- which they never ever did), the person who actually sent the letter, was Laskhmi (though Lakshmi didn't sign it, Jeff did). I have a record of that that I can share here if you'd like. In other words, Lakshmi literally transmitted to me an extralegal gag order and apparently didn't stop to think, "wait, this is really not kosher. wtf am I doing?"
In any event, she messed up. I don't know what she was thinking. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 12:16 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Correct, it's basically me vs. the people who cast themselves as the helpers, which makes me really wonder how this happened. Something happened early in my first semester that put me on the other side of these people, and for the life of me, I don't know what it is, but it wasn't something I actually did (objectionable speech, conduct, etc.) or something that was true. Whatever it was, it was either something simply untrue, or something about me they didn't like, which is why I still consider the possibility that it was motivated by some sort of racial or religious animus and/or political bias (AIPAC board membership which was on my LinkedIn and on FB posts, coming back from Israel the first day of orientation with photos of it all over my FB page, following Thomas Sowell and Peggy Noonan on Twitter when I only followed like 15 accounts and had never posted).
I believe Sells was quietly removed because of the audio file distribution (proving that she had made a false statement in the May 2018 leave letter), and also because of a number of emails I sent in the fall of 2020 to Sells, copying HLS faculty and others, directly accusing her of misconduct and challenging her to deny it in writing (which she never did, at all!), and finally because I and others had received a whistleblower report about misconduct by Sells against a different student years ago (it was apparently mass emailed) and I forwarded it in an email in late January to HLS leadership, university leadership, most full-time faculty, most hls administrative staff, and, ugh, fuck it, Ronan Farrow and the student newspaper. That was on a Friday around 5PM. Sells' resignation was announced the following Monday.
As for JM, I do *NOT* know WTF is going on, at all. Truly. I have theories, but they are too zany to utter at this time. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:31 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I don't see your email. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43201399) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:37 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Yeah, please retry. My email is the one you will find in the about me / intro section on my LinkedIn page or when you click the big mail icon on my personal website (in my Google results when you google my name, on the first page of results). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43201421) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 12:21 PM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks This is where I have some trouble, too. ST, to the extent I've dealt with her, doesn't seem like the kind of person who'd railroad someone like this. I don't think that's her reputation at all.
And leaving for the Met doesn't necessarily read to me like she was forced out; that's arguably a much better job in what people often consider a more desirable city than Boston. I'd take that job over the HLS gig in a minute. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 12:33 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Listen, I get that. How do you think *I* felt experiencing such bizarre behavior from her?
As for the Met Opera, who knows. Listen, Sells "resigned," whether it was as an option she was given as an alternative to termination, or she just saw the writing on the wall without saying anything, I don't know. But she didn't even finish the school year. She left in February 2021. The opera wasn't even running; it just reopened recently. Surely she could have waited until May, at least on paper, if she was not being given the axe.
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Date: September 30th, 2021 12:45 PM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks What I find puzzling is how the initial accusation was made in the first place. You're obviously bright and articulate. It doesn't seem like one would get a memo and think, "no, BeeBee couldn't have written that."
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:06 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thank you! That's what never made sense to me.
It almost seems like the simplest explanations are the most likely ones:
1. I wrote a good paper without any help and they thought, "it's too good to be by BeeBee." Thoughtless and rude, and maybe even a little racist, but it's possible.
2. Someone copied from me. I would often put my drafts in the garbage in the library when done marking them and implementing my marks. I'm a prolific printer (I kill trees and just don't care) and I do hand markups almost exclusively, though when others are involved in drafting I'll typically then convert my hand markup to tracked changes.
(I'm not a biglaw partner yet, though I look forward to the day that I can simply hand my chickenscratch to a first-year associate and not have to put in tracked changes myself.)
3. Bias/malice/discrimination/political persecution. But WHY? Am I *that* important (or detestable)? I think not! But...🤔
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:10 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national Cr this guy has no idea what he’s doing. He outted himself in his first poast. Did he miss the n-threads? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43190659) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:04 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I probably will eventually. This was my last resort. I emphasize that I had no money for real lawyers to actively assist. If I were a lawyer I would not get involved for free unless my firm was on board and provided associates to assist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43190944) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 12:49 PM Author: opaque hairraiser abode Have you tried meeting in person with any of these folks?
I question your judgment and maturity by posting here. I encourage you to delete all of your posts on here and social media |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:00 PM Author: judgmental glassy hospital my man has spent 3 years in limbo and claims to have unsuccessfully petitioned hls for readmission every semester since being put on leave. claims to not be able to afford an attorney or one that will go toe to toe with hls.
if these things are true: what other option does he have than go public on social media? |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:03 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Precisely. Also keep in mind I kept my mouth shut for a LONG time. Tried everything. This dean of students lied left and right, even about other staff — IN WRITING! It’s unbelievable but if you can believe that, it explains a lot of the administrative nuttiness. She made a mess. It’s a bureaucratic nightmare with risks for a lot of people.
Further, she kept me from transferring — huge no no for a student who was not on disciplinary leave. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:09 PM Author: judgmental glassy hospital exactly. it was in your interest to keep it private too. even if you are ultimately exonerated, there will be people that have their doubts about you just because you wound up in this situation. just look at people itt that just can't believe it. like, i'm not saying you're definitely 100% right since there are almost always two sides to a story, but i'm not foreclosing it either. but there will always be people that assume that something must have happened for you to wind up in this situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAqezBjtAOk&ab_channel=amc
this scene brought tears to my eyes the first time i watched it |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:12 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Correct. But at least now people know my side of the story. If I simply let myself be screwed out of my education and career without going semi-public, the implications and assumptions would be even worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43190981) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:21 PM Author: judgmental glassy hospital i understand completely.
when i was going through a situation similar to yours, the worst part was having to explain the situation to people constantly, and that gnawing feeling that you know they have their doubts. like, interviewing for a job is bad enough, it's 1000x worse when you know they going to ask "why did you take leave from HLS" and you have go through your whole spiel, knowing that a lot of people are going to just think "this guy clearly plagiarized and got the boot". and even if they do want to hire you, they're thinking "this guy is going to leave if he ever gets readmitted".
it was definitely in your and hls's interest to keep in private, ideally you could have resolved this privately and come up with some bullshit excuse for taking a couple years leave when discussing it later. going public against an institution as big and influential as hls takes balls. i'm rooting for you brother. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 2:09 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thanks brother, I hugely appreciate it - really. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43191311) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:05 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Word. Will not respond henceforth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43190946) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:05 PM Author: Comical hideous parlour faggotry You can ignore this guy, BB. He showed up on the boart a couple years ago and just spams the board 18 hrs/day with terrible 1-2 poast threads.
zero interesting content. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 1:54 PM Author: Razzmatazz jet-lagged sneaky criminal deer antler I don't think it's right to call this a last resort. Compile a list of twenty journalists that are not too big name and who might be receptive and start emailing them with what you've shared.
I would pick an angle - cancel culture & conservatism or black student singled out for discrimination. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 2:08 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Last resort apart from formal press coverage / litigation. That’s the real last resort, and if I went that route, it might be a pyrrhic victory: getting to proceed with my studies but also getting press coverage I can’t take down that makes hiring partners or HR screeners think, “if he sued HLS or talked about them in the news, he might do it to us too.”
In that sense, going semi-public on social media and on this board were the last non-nuclear options — and dropping a nuke is foolish if I’m not confident that I’m outside of the blast radius. |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 4:37 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Admissions says I can reapply. I've explained that I would have to first save for and then pay for and retake the LSAT (or take the GRE) and I've explained the situation. They have more or less stated that my "withdrawn" status is not determined by them. If I reapply, I fear that I won't be accepted (given everything that's happened and the desire of a few admins to have this all go away). Further, I worry that if I reapply, HLS will then claim that I impliedly have conceded both (a) that I am indeed withdrawn and (b) that my withdrawn status is proper and is neither a breach of the school's contractual obligations to me nor a violation of my contractual rights. My position is the opposite of (a) and the opposite of (b). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43197376) |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 7:15 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43198042) |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 9:02 PM Author: Floppy Charcoal Center Philosopher-king Endless hoops to jump through. Terrible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43198639) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 2:27 PM Author: judgmental glassy hospital on the contrary, i think employers will consider that you tried to handle this internally for three fucking years before being forced to go public. you've tried and sacrificed even though you've been mistreated. if i was an employer i would think you're definitely *not* the type jump these tactics for a grievance.
also, although this is going to lose you points with shitlib lawyers, don't discount how much this may benefit you with fedsoc lawyers. i'm heavily involved in fedsoc and there are a ton of people who seethe about how the minority ideology is mistreated. like, if you wind up applying for clerkships plenty of fedsoc judges are going to look at your situation and want to help you because of your mistreatment and stick it to libs.
have you reached out to fedsoc yet? you should absolutely get in touch with the ma and boston lawyer's division. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 2:09 PM Author: low-t kitchen dog poop You're wasting time by posting here.
Consider just putting this all behind you and getting on with your life. |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 4:33 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Can't transfer to another school (or even apply as a first-year) because the now-former dean of students wouldn't give me a "good standing letter" or "dean's certification" regarding my standing, but also wouldn't state that I was NOT in good standing. So I was and still am stuck.
This goes beyond HLS and even beyond law schools. As it stands, I can't complete applications to almost any graduate or professional school. |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 2:39 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national 180 thread all around (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43191478) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 4:41 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43192175) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 6:47 PM Author: buff shaky ticket booth so is the OP in the right, or is he a narcissist compulsive liar, which is usually the case in these things - but he just presents himself much more calmly than your average Cynthia Cameros? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43192728) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 6:53 PM Author: judgmental glassy hospital we've got no evidence except for what op says, so it's impossible to say. most often in these situations there is evidence cuts against what someone is saying. although he could be telling the gods honest truth, people have been fucked over for no reason before. there's no way to know until hls is forced to respond. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43192753) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 7:02 PM Author: Razzmatazz jet-lagged sneaky criminal deer antler #believeallpoasters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43192797) |
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Date: September 28th, 2021 7:01 PM Author: Razzmatazz jet-lagged sneaky criminal deer antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43192796) |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 12:30 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook There's one thing that should make the scales tilt in my favor: the fact that I don't know who any of you are on this forum, but do know that more than a few of you are lawyers or law students or law professors, some of whom can reach out to people you know at HLS and get the scoop off the record. You don't have to believe me if you can independently confirm that what I allege is true, and many people on this website are in the position to do precisely that. I've gone into such detail that you can just, like, ask. Obviously, none of the people involved (or even other faculty) would admit in writing to knowing about this, but those of you who have personal relationships can ask your friends (or even family) who are in the faculty or administration.
In that sense, I don't entirely need to establish credibility if nobody in a position to know is willing to deny it, even privately and off the record to you. |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 4:01 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I know. In fairness to her, who amongst us has not either intentionally made a false statement, or stood by for months and allowed for his or her alma mater's magazine to continue to falsely state, that he or she was a law professor at Harvard and Columbia -- despite never, in fact, having been a law professor at all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43197134) |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 12:22 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I would love to, if you are serious. Analyst side or compliance / legal side? I would love either. Also ops (specifically trading ops) could be very interesting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43195861) |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 4:26 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Informative sub-thread on my current status, with link to a very interesting redline of the relevant HLS Handbook provisions:
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&mc=200&forum_id=2#43190915 |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 5:08 PM Author: Cheese-eating violent national you’re a fucking idiot for spamming this on Twitter & coming here for advice hth. settle quietly and move on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43197510) |
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Date: September 29th, 2021 9:06 PM Author: Floppy Charcoal Center Philosopher-king BORT: do we find this "redline" compelling or not? can we get a contracts masterman in here?
https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43197301 |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 4:33 PM Author: house-broken incel Very. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43202413) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 12:55 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thank you! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199630) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:17 AM Author: soggy mildly autistic area potus If this isn't flame, there's something deeply wrong with you bud. You had years to move on with your life but you kept beating your head against this cause, which clearly does not seem to have legs on a pragmatic basis (I also question your judgment in that you keep going at this despite not being able to obtain or even have the money for a lawyer - like wtf dude, how are you supporting yourself so far? Uber?)
Also maybe thank your stars that you didn't have to go into law. Do you think Darth Sells is the only sociopath in law? There's so many of them. Maybe youre obsessed with just getting the HLS credential but who gives a shit? There's like almost a 1000 lawyers churned out each year from HYS and even more from the T14. No one in the real world gives a crap you went to HLS. Your obsession with getting the credential might suggest you have some kind of JJC-level fixation. If you just want to be a lawyer--and can't go to a reputable grad/law school--try going to an unaccredited school and do the California Bar. A former LA Mayor graduated from the People's College of Law -> if you really just keep working at it and love the LAW then you'll be ok.
Also there's plenty of ppl who make it in this world with just a BA. If I was an employer I'd think you're legit crazy and would autistically go after me like rain man if you felt wronged.
Why not give this up and start thinking of other ways to pick yourself up. Tech is a good industry that doesn't care too much about your academic credentials/work experience. There's a whole world out there you could find value/be valued in instead of working with a bunch of nebbish law shitheads.
Finally, paging OLDHlsdude is weird man. He's friggin retired, graduated from LS decades ago and has no connection to HLS or the legal industry - its odd you'd try to get his help. He's really just XO's father figure giving discursive advice and telling stories; the guy's checked out otherwise. Clearly you seem to act and think in a way that rubs people the wrong way in politically correct environment. The fact that no one has gone to bat for you in any way that makes a difference suggests that they know well not to take on your cause. It's a fools errand tbh.
Avoid industries that focus on politics and social aspects. Give this shit up and go do autistic things (which you are likely more good at). You could have done a coding bootcamp or some other shit 2-3 years ago and have been well on your way in an alternate career by now (and making a decent salary).
PS, buy some SOL and SOL shitcoins. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:30 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199716) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:39 AM Author: soggy mildly autistic area potus That's called life dude. There's plenty of fields where if you run afoul of Bigfoot "random sociopathic heathen" where you're fucked and your life changes. Like I know a dude who went to a US Med School, pissed off his residency director (he was drummed out unfairly on some nebulous aspects of "professionalism"), contract didn't get renewed and now is an untouchable in medicine. He has $300k in debt and is looking to change careers. Right now he is no joke delivering for food apps.
Why do you have no money? Just because you were iced from law/grad school doesn't mean you can't get a job. You dont need to go to B-School.
Finally, OldHLSDude's silence here is telling. There's nothing really to be gained from engaging with you. Your story is just weird and awkward man. It doesn't really engender much sympathy for you (and I dislike people like the administration at places like HLS). You're in a privileged situation still; trying to classify this like the Dreyfus Affair is just odd, goes against the current, and isn't doing you any favors.
I know not having the paperwork is limiting your options but just mentally put it out of your head then. Stop banging your head against the wall.
Learn to code, join a startup, even fucking teaching in Asia would have been better off than whining your ass off doing jack shit and having literally "no money". If youre smart enough for HLS there's something wrong with you if you can't find any kind of gainful employment. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:51 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199767) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:06 AM Author: soggy mildly autistic area potus i looked at your linkedin and dropbox statement.
1 - so you have been doing something. you haven't been able to save 50k from this job? if this job doesnt pay well then why not find something that does? tech is one option.
2- furthermore, why is your case so unpersuasive so that no one wants to do it pro bono or for cheap? you retort that the HLS mafia has a stranglehold in MA, but then that's almost QED on why you should let this go on a legal basis.
3 - if HLS JD Admissions says you can reapply and the evil Dean is gone, does that mean you can get a letter of standing to reapply? if so, forget about HLS, just reapply to other law schools in that case. if not, then go to unaccredited law school or foreign school or something like that if you really wanna LAW
4 - i suspect you'll respond to this indignantly claiming i still dont know shit and that you are valiantly fighting the forces of evil. look, your story is really not that interesting. i suspect much of xo feels the same way. its a bad rub man, but this isn't the end of the world. the people you fought with at HLS sound like cowards, sociopaths, shitheads. i agree with you that they should go down but these are dark times all over and far greater indignities/humiliations to good people are happening every day.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/956766
like this guy had the cash to litigate but its also an indication that there's probably tons of these kind of indignities/admin abuse out there that go unheard of in higher ed. prob another sign that further time spent in education is not the way to go. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:10 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199792) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:41 AM Author: soggy mildly autistic area potus fair points but its no bueno then. it sounds like youre screwed then without much recourse.
this is probably the most relevant part of what i think you should be asking the old-mos on xo "It's one thing to encourage me to not let more time be taken from me, that's great and that's something to discuss"
(most xo law-mos prob wont have tips on fighting HLS that you haven't considered already)
as to the story sharing part, i didnt go to HLS but a T6 and honestly it was pretty lousy. there was some camaraderie during 1L that was fun but the majority of the kids I met were tools. furthermore, law school was a really bad career move in retrospect (and I was magna/secondary journal)
i'd have gone into tech or some other innovative/more autistic-friendly career; i'd be way happier/wealthier than i am now.
so i guess i'm curious as to whether you enjoyed LS and what you wanna do with a law degree |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:43 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199807) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:44 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Let me guess. K-JD, then litigator? Didn't know much about how to distinguish between firms and you weren't familiar with any of them before you went to LS? Neither parent was a lawyer or involved in public service? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199808) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 3:02 AM Author: soggy mildly autistic area potus not a litigator, am in IP. did a shitty job in research before LS. dont really want to say more but my background is pretty generic for guys in my area.
based on what youre saying it sounds like youre still interested in high pay/prestige jobs. maybe youre a good fit for them.
as for me i'm really not into the whole mentality behind biglaw/similarly prestigious jobs. so i guess my perspective wont be particularly useful. for me the best parts of being on this forum have been learning more about dudes like CSLG (who made millions off shitlaw), and the crypto guys.
i think i've said all that needs to be said from my perspective on your situation. hope some of it helped or was at least thought provoking. good luck man, it might be hard but try to stay positive. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 3:04 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I appreciate it. Thanks, I'm trying. Be well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199822) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:42 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199805) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:59 AM Author: opaque hairraiser abode 180 wisdom and pragmatic advice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199819) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:46 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook “ Clearly you seem to act and think in a way that rubs people the wrong way in politically correct environment. The fact that no one has gone to bat for you in any way that makes a difference suggests that they know well not to take on your cause. It's a fools errand tbh.”
The first sentence is just not accurate and you have little to go on in that regard, IMO. The second is a two-fer: the first part being ill-defined and the second part being a non-sequitur. It isn’t that I can’t find anyone to assist as counsel. It’s that I don’t have 50,000-200,000 (yes, that is what serious litigation costs — students in similar situations have spent that kind of money, hourly rates are 500-1000, especially if two attorneys at a firm are working on it). I also really hoped it wouldn’t come to this. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:53 AM Author: soggy mildly autistic area potus You're acting like this should be some kind of a national outrage where the ACLU should be fighting tooth and nail on your behalf. Have you picked up the newspaper recently and seen how crazy the world is?
If you can't get someone to rally to your cause in any effective way then that should be an indication that you might not have the wind behind you--socially, politically, financially--to get the kind of justice you seek.
The more you nitpick and obsess over this, the crazier you seem man. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:59 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I’m acting like it should be a national outrage? Not necessarily. I’m saying it’s outrageous and I wrote about it on Twitter and on this forum. You’re depicting this as some sort of massive “crying wolf” campaign, even though you hadn’t heard a damn thing about it until a few days ago.
People tend to be concerned with their lives, dude. When people are in acrimonious disputes or divorces, those situations sometimes go on for years, and those situations impact their lives in real ways and they often “nitpick and obsess,” because the stakes are high and the situation matters to them. That’s life too.
Some people “nitpick and obsess” for years over difficulty conceiving and carrying a child to term. “Oh, it’s been a few years and it hasn’t happened? Get over it, loser! That’s life, dummy! You’ll never be parents! Stop trying! Stop pretending it’s a national emergency! You’re so lame for not giving up despite the deck being stacked against you! What a fucking loser!” |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:05 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199784) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 3:06 AM Author: opaque hairraiser abode What's up with you reporting administrators for using unofficial Dropbox? How did you even discover that and why did you feel compelled to sntich? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199824) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 3:14 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199826) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 3:38 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43199836) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 4:36 PM Author: house-broken incel Nobody really wants to read three footnoted pages about Harvard Law staff stealing/mishandling student records.
But I'll try. |
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Date: October 5th, 2021 10:53 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook XO needs to comment on this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43228669) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 3:07 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43201951) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 9:39 AM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks I've not been following this too closely but can you clarify whether you are saying you were withdrawn from the law school or are you saying they placed you on a leave of abscence?
Either way it would make sense that you wouldn't be able to transfer because you haven't completed the first year courses which is required for transferring anywhere. Rather than continue this fight have you thought about just applying somewhere else as a 1l?
Did all this go down in the first or second semester? Did you continue attending classes and try to take the finals and they just wouldn't let you sit them? |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 10:50 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook [duplicate reply deleted, apologies] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43200600) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 10:52 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43200613) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 11:24 AM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks So you had this meeting with the climenko fellow, Susan, and the dean, where they accused you of cheating on your memo. Were you placed on leave as a result of that meeting or later when you supposedly told the registrar you weren't planning on taking your finals?
How did you find yourself talking to the registrar? It's a different person from when I was there but I couldn't have told you who he was when I was a student much less found myself talking to him about exams. Did he/she reach out to you? |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 11:28 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook The meeting was in October 2017 in the office of the dean of students, with the Climenko fellow (Diana Newmark), as well as the head of the LRW program / Climenko fellowship (Susannah T.), the dean of students (Marcia Sells), and two other DOS staffers (Lakshmi Clark and Carolyn H.) whom Sells pulled in last minute (they weren't even on the calendar invite). I wasn't placed on leave as a result of that, at least not directly or to my knowledge, though in my view placing me on leave was an attempt to neutralize that issue by making it look like I was a careless student not committed to my studies. I was placed on leave in mid-May 2018, two hours after I supposedly went to talk with the registrar (Lisa Burns). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43200830) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 11:49 AM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks I'm assuming the leave policies require some sort of written request when it's initiated by the student, right? There are all sorts of financial aid/loan effects so they have to have the date correct.
Did they place you on a leave that they claim you requested, or are they characterizing it as some sort of constructive leave request because they claim you told the registrar you weren't sitting the exams? |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 12:06 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook 1. Correct. A voluntary leave has to be initiated by the student in writing. It can be personal, medical, or academic. I even requested that my involuntary academic leave be converted to a voluntary academic leave in September 2018 (as the 2018-2019 Handbook provided for, for the first time, such a conversion "ordinarily"), yet Sells denied that request for no logical reason, without even asserting that for whatever reason my situation was not "ordinar[y]" for purposes of applying the involAcLeave -> volAcLeave conversion provision.
2. No, Sells placed me on an involuntary academic leave by claiming that I told the registrar that I wouldn't be finishing exams, citing section X-D-6 of the HLS Handbook. Interestingly, the 2017-2018 Handbook in effect when I was placed on leave, didn't even say that one could be placed on involuntary academic leave for merely not having taken one's exams (though they added that as of the 2018-2019 edition). Rather, in 2017-2018, it stated, "6. Unfulfilled academic requirements. The student has not met an academic requirement and has not taken steps acceptable to the School to meet the requirement." Sells' false statement that I had told the registrar I wouldn't be finishing exams seems to have been quite intentionally stated, for the purpose of being able to claim that I had "not taken steps acceptable to the School" to complete exams. It seems that she knew she needed to essentially say I was not attempting to take exams, and so she lied that I had gone to the registrar and said that I *wouldn't* be finishing exams.
Too bad there ended up being an audio file of that very conversation between me and the registrar proving that I *never* said that, that I clearly said the exact opposite repeatedly and unmistakably, and that I went to the registrar to discuss a separate but related issue. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 10:08 AM Author: wine narrow-minded bawdyhouse messiness In some sense you have come to the right place because this is a forum full of people with difficult personalities who have navigated through prestigious schools. I suspect that most of us have had similar run-ins with deranged admins and profs. But the lesson you should be drawing is to work on interpersonal and conflict resolution skills, rather than endless autistic documentation of the minutia of how others wronged you.
I’ll give you my personal examples in case it helps. I took a lecture/discussion group course with a rising star prof. She was boring as fuck and did not welcome class participation, so I would typically read the assigned textbook in class. This pissed her off and she called me out on it. I could maybe see this point if I was doing something totally unrelated to class (although all law profs now seem to have accepted that modern students cannot function without an open laptop and if you sit it then back you can see that everyone fucks around). Then she came to my discussion group one week and proceeded to basically continue lecturing. I tried to debate with her because (a) it’s a discussion section and (b) apparently I’m not allowed to kick back and get some reading done. I’m sure I was argumentative and wrong. But I didn’t scream at her or go off topic or say anything inappropriate. Somehow this led to going in front of a dean with her. Fortunately for me the dean was reasonable and just listened to both of us and concluded “ok, whatever.” The prof then fucked me on my final grade and I let it go. I probably could have escalated the situation to where I got kicked out of college and spent the rest of my life living in my mom’s basement but decided against it.
Bonus story from a few years later: I has another blow hard prod that I did not respect. I did a shitty job on the first few assignments and was not a big class participant. Then I crushed the final paper because I got obsessively interested in some ideas. He gave me no grade and called me to his office. He asked a bunch of weird questions about my paper. Then he made a weird plagiarism accusation with no evidence other than “paper was too good.” But I kept calm and he dropped it because he realized that he had no evidence. To his credit, this guy then gave me a fair grade.
You’re now thinking “my situation is different because the dean was unreasonable!” Sure. You still have the burden to work through other people’s unreasonable behavior to get what you want. Not everything is a must-win battle for dominance and objective truth. Let some shit go.
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Date: September 30th, 2021 10:33 AM Author: judgmental glassy hospital solid advice, but this was only relevant 3 years ago for bb. what is he to do now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43200538) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 12:09 PM Author: wine narrow-minded bawdyhouse messiness Take the loss and move on. Go back to current Harvard admins and say “I’m done, I withdraw, please give me a piece of paper that says so which I can show to anyone who asks me to confirm my status at Harvard.”
Then decide what to do next. Ideally something that does not require long explanation of law school experience. If necessary, tell people that you had a challenging first year and took leave to reconsider, decided HLS was not right for you and now want to pivot to XYZ thing that you will be good at having learned a lesson from experience. Some people will assume worst (disabling mental illness, cheating, etc.) but you will eventually find someone who doesn’t and once you have a few subsequent successes on your resume no one will care that you left HLS (it still signals that you had the credentials to get in and the wisdom to get out rather than beating your head against a wall). Trying to explain the whole mega-detailed narrative will increase rather than alleviate people’s concerns. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 5:19 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I don’t know why, but living a lie and throwing my career away because of some bureaucrats sounds dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43202631) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 7:05 PM Author: soggy mildly autistic area potus this guys advice is tcr.
if this happened just recently i'd say that it might be worth it but right now youre just languishing in Siberia tilting at windmills.
your fixation and obsession with not letting some "bureaucrats" get one over you would legitimately make me question your judgment and maturity. there has to be an end to this at some point even if you take an L and i hope it doesnt consume more years/you grind it down to the bitter end. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2021 7:18 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook They already claim that I’m withdrawn — and they STILL won’t give me the standing letter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43211885) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 11:11 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43200728) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:25 PM Author: jet azn school link is broken (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43201710) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:32 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook fixed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43201755) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 3:31 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43202107) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 11:22 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Perhaps the biggest issue, and I have raised this with HLS, is that the dean of students, perhaps without the knowledge of most faculty, but with the knowledge of other administrators, sent me a letter in August 2018 stating "you must refrain from discussing your leave with others, including other Harvard administrators, faculty, or staff," and sent me another letter in August 2019 in which she decreed that I must not communicate with any CURRENT OR FORMER HLS OR HARVARD UNIVERSITY FACULTY OR STAFF if I ever wished to return from leave. As a result, I could not speak to rabbis, faculty, dispute resolution bodies, confidential resources, or even the university ombudsman without risking my education and career. In order to resolve conflicts and handle complicated interpersonal situations, the people involved need resources, support, guidance, advice, and so on. This dean of students intentionally took that away from me so that I could not get help. She did this on HLS letterhead and even signed her name to it. It was like she was trying to disable me. She was extremely abusive - not just "unreasonable." It wasn't normal at all and it wasn't university or HLS policy. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:13 PM Author: mauve laughsome locus weed whacker i’m late to this but what exactly is the theorized reason for her wanting to fuck you over in the first place? maybe at this point it’s just covering for prior incompetence but how did this all start (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43201300) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 1:17 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook See https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&mc=266&forum_id=2#43188980
If, after reading that, you think that this explanation only amounts to covering for prior incomptence and that the question as to how this all started remains open, then you're basically on the same page as I am. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:16 PM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks BeeBee, do you have a copy of your transcript? How do they list the courses you took in the spring? How do they describe your status?
Do you have any HLS profs who'd write you a LofR?
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:47 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I have no idea how it looks now, as I no longer have access to the unofficial transcript portal. They list my spring courses as two grades (for spring LRW and for an upper-level course), and three W's (for the exams I didn't get to take). I imagine it says "on leave" for each academic term (Fall, January, Spring) from Fall 2018 through Spring 2021 and then says "Withdrawn May 2021" at the bottom somewhere.
In addition to stating to me in May 2021 that I am supposedly withdrawn, they said at the same time that my Fall 2017 matriculation is closed, and that I could reapply for admission "but there is no guarantee that you would be readmitted" (or something along those lines). They said this all after it was too late for me to apply to study anywhere this fall as a 1L.
They never provided the good standing letter / dean's certification I would need to reapply anywhere as a first-year (including grad/prof schools other than law schools), which, again, could even state that I did NOT leave HLS in good standing (if that indeed is HLS's position despite their unwillingness to say that for three years), provided that the letter includes a written explanation as to *why* I supposedly did not leave in good standing.
I don't think they'll ever produce that letter, both because (a) if I indeed was not in good standing, they wouldn't have waited three years to start saying it, and (b) in September 2018 I pushed for Sells to provide me a letter stating that I was not on disciplinary leave, and after a month she finally did. That letter had a typo in it -- but I did get it. It was a two sentence letter stating "You are on leave as of May 2018. You are *a* not on a disciplinary leave."
Curiously, in Dean M's email announcing Sells' departure, the second sentence of the email had a similar typo! It read "While this will be a great *a* loss for the Law School," which is why the Crimson article quoting it reads:
--- "“While this will be a great...loss for the law school, it is an exciting professional opportunity for Dean Sells, who, in this newly created role, will help lead the Metropolitan Opera into its next chapter,” Law School Dean John F. Manning ’82 wrote in an email. ---
Something to think about!
As for a LoR, maybe one or two profs would write one if only to help smooth my exit, but I doubt. Frankly, I think some are nervous to assist not because I did anything wrong but because they know I didn't. Not really sure though. One HLS prof liked a tweet of mine the other day. I've spoken to one by phone, in the spring, who said he thought it was highly likely I'd be allowed to resume/restart my studies this fall term. I guess he was wrong. I really trusted and liked him, and still do! I'm just not sure why the powers that be decided to go the "involuntary withdrawal" route, contrary to the Handbook. Puzzling.
I do have my original LORs from when I applied to law school still in the LSAC system. Three are from attorneys at an old workplace (the first place I worked out of college, W -- very cool place and a great experience), though one of those three letters is written for a specific school. I also have on file a fourth LOR from an attorney at a different pre-HLS workplace, and I am sure that LOR was also very helpful.
What are you thinking? |
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Date: October 1st, 2021 9:14 AM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks If I were you I'd get a copy of my current transcript so you can see for sure what it currently says. I was trying to think of a way a goodstanding cert might be an educational record you'd have a right to under FERPA but I'm striking out, and IIRC there's no private cause of action under FERPA anyway.
Speaking of the goodstanding letter, how do you know that they won't provide something (whatever it might say)? I could be wrong, but aren't those usually provided to other schools or bar admission bodies? I could see how they might not release one to you. I'd try to figure out some org that would require one and see if they'll send it to them directly (preferably one where you might have an in and can see what they are saying).
I think your best option is to try to lay the groundwork to apply somewhere else as a transfer. You'd be short of few of the courses but someone might bite. Columbia loves those tuition dollars (well, they all do, really). I don't think there's any way HLS will let you back in and I'm doubtful you'd be able to compel them to absent a little luck and a hell of a lot of money. Even if successful, you'd be talking about years of litigation.
I think if I were in your position (and I still wanted to go to law school) I'd try again as a 1l or a transfer (I'd go transfer, personally). As part of that approach I'd take down all the materials related to this so that it's not immediately retrievable on the internet. I'd craft some statement about the withdrawls from the courses on the transcript that is vague and isn't inculpatory. Then again, it might be easier as a 1l admit, since they'll get your lsat score to report and they'd get a diverse student. You might even talk them into giving you credit for the completed courses. So I guess I'd try that first since that cycle comes up before the transfer window opens. |
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Date: October 1st, 2021 1:54 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook 1. Correct, there's no private cause of action under FERPA. The most that usually happens is a school is fined $50K and ED collects (or, hell, perhaps doesn't collect).
2. I asked for it repeatedly. The first time, Sells declined, stating that I could not have it "as [you] are on leave" which makes no sense because alumni, enrolled students, AND students on leaves of absence need the letters to apply elsewhere (including PhD programs or joint degree programs). They are often sent to the recipients you described, but not exclusively so, and the Law School's document request form allows for any requested document listed on that form to be sent to any listed recipient. See "Document Request Form" at https://hls.harvard.edu/dept/registrar/policies-and-forms/.
3. Sells graduated from Columbia and was their dean of students for a couple of years in the 90s. She's also on the board of trustees at Barnard and used to be an administrator at Columbia (community relations, I think; someone on another thread said she was passed over for more senior positions there). She'll probably try to screw me over with CLS if she hasn't already. I did get into CLS before though.
4. CLS or not, if I sought 1L admission or transfer admission anywhere, I would have to retake the LSAT, as one needs an LSAT (or GRE) score that is less than five years old for either kind of application (seriously). I told HLS repeatedly about this issue throughout this leave of absence and then the rug was pulled out from under me in May anyway, leaving me with nowhere to go this year. It's just not right. They totally boxed me in.
5. Thoughts on seeking a preliminary injunction seeking a reversal of the withdrawal, on the grounds that I will lose another year of my education / career, for no good reason and contrary to my efforts, if the withdrawal (which was contrary to HLS's own amendment of its Handbook as of the 2020-2021 edition) is not reversed?
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Date: October 7th, 2021 9:19 AM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks In terms of the goodstanding cert, I'm imagining in Harvard's eyes that you are well and truly withdrawn at this point. So a goodstanding cert is probably not going to be forthcoming because, to them, you aren't in goodstanding.
What if you ask them for an enrollment status? Surely you have a right to something like that? They can give you something that says you're not currently enrolled and you could send that along with your transfer apps with an addendum explaining the withdrawl (without the backstory, of course; I know it makes sense to you but as an adcomm I'd run for the hills if I were sent your full memo).
I don't think Sells' previous history at Columbia would necessarily change anything with CLS. I think you're overestimating how industrious adcoms are, especially for transfers whose stats don't effect rankings. But you only need to get one to work; if CLS says no maybe another fine law center will bite.
I don't think having to take the lsat again is really that big an impediment, frankly. It sucks, but that shouldn't stop you.
In terms of suing HLS, I'm not a litigation-mo, so I don't know. My wild ass guess is that you've got very little chance of success and almost certainly don't have the financial resources (or the years it would take to complete) to spare.
I'd still vote with scrubbing all mention of this from the internet to the extent possible and trying to soft peddle the withdrawl in hopes of transferring. As it stands now, I think you're in a "doobsian" scenario, where merely googling your name is going to kill you with adcoms.
But that's just my .02 and I could be full of shit. You'd need a litmo to chime in on your litigation prospects. |
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Date: October 8th, 2021 1:41 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Hmm. Thanks.
Here's the "good standing" requirement at Stanford, as an example:
https://law.stanford.edu/apply/how-to-apply/transfer-application-process/
https://www-cdn.law.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/DEANS-CERTIFICATION-FORM-2018.pdf
HLS won't even commit to signing the form, even though it is a *requirement* and even though I have explained in writing that a good standing letter can say a student was NOT in good standing along with a brief explanation as to why.
An enrollment verification can be done by me without HLS. It can be done via the National Student Clearinghouse by me, and admissions officers can also do it themselves (which I'm sure they do when they feel like double-checking an application they're on the fence about). I don't think sending an enrollment verification would change the fact that a school would expect the sort of form I linked above to be completed by HLS, or, alternatively, a letter from HLS. To be clear, a good standing letter is a letter *regarding* one's good standing -- or lack thereof, and if the student is no longer enrolled/affiliated, then the letter is about whether they *left* in good standing. Either way -- whether relating to current or past standing, and whether the answer is that I was in good standing or not -- HLS has to send the letter answering those questions, and if they decline to answer in the affirmative, they have to say why. They do it for students all the time. Why not me?
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Date: October 8th, 2021 7:35 AM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks It looks the CLS form says pretty explicitly that you've got a right to see what the home school has written. I'd try applying there (or someplace else) and not waive my right to see it. If it says something actionable, then I'd pounce. But is what you're saying is that even if provided with a form from a peer law school they (hls) simply will ignore the request? Have they told you that explicitly? Has someone other than Sells told you that?
I'm certainly not recommending you do this, but I'm surprised that no one's suggested you fill out the goodstanding form yourself. |
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Date: October 8th, 2021 11:02 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I informed the HLS Administrative Board of what exactly the good standing letter requirement entails, and I showed a professor the SLS form as an example so it was clear what it was that I needed from HLS. He asked me whether I knew of an administrator who would sign it. I said that it would almost certainly have to be by the Dean of Students or the dean of HLS, and I don't know who else could or would. The administration is ignoring that completely. They wouldn't commit to filling it out. They just said nothing.
The Dean of Students (now gone), Dean for Academic and Faculty Affairs, and the Administrative Board chair are all on the Administrative Board through which the Dean of Students was formalizing all of her crazy bullshit behavior. I don't think any of them will give me the good standing letter because I think they care most about not doing anything that might support my claim that this whole thing was unjustified (e.g., a letter that says I am in good standing or that I was in good standing when I was actively enrolled). Which brings me back to the question: if I'm NOT in good standing (or if I was not in good standing prior to no longer being actively enrolled), why won't they sign something that says that and explain why?
Perhaps because something else -- something unstated -- was motivating placing me on leave, and now they know it isn't true. Perhaps they believed (or wanted to believe, or were told by Sells) that I did something wrong and that I knew what that something was, ergo, I would not dare ask for a good standing letter and would go quietly into the night. And then, after I kept asking for the letter, they dug into things (as they should have to begin with) and "realized" I didn't do anything wrong, at which point they realized that they couldn't justify not having already given me a good standing letter that said I was in good standing, and also realized they couldn't justify giving me a good standing letter that said I was NOT in good standing...because they now could not deny that I had been in good standing all along.
As for filling out the form myself, I think they'd love for me to shoot myself in the foot by playing fast and loose with the truth in hopes of moving forward so they can say, "See?! He's dishonest." |
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Date: October 1st, 2021 3:30 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I've just requested both a transcript and a good standing letter.
Current/enrolled students and alumni who graduated within the last year don't have to pay for transcripts. Non-enrolled individuals who did not graduate within the last year, or who are not alumni, have to pay. I don't have the $11 to spare so I marked "current student" and "enrolled." Let's see if they try to nickel and dime me over 11 dollars I don't really have and then claim that I need to fork it over one way or another because I supposedly am "involuntarily withdrawn" (contrary to the Handbook in effect at the time at which they claim I was "involuntarily withdrawn.")
I also requested a good standing letter. Let's see if they provide it, and if so, what it says. |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:50 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook On an unrelated note, I have something to email you about the situation that you might find VERY interesting. Feel free to make a throwaway email address (maybe use protonmail or yahoo mail, if it still exists) and email me at the email address on my personal website (which you can find by googling my name -- it's just [my name].com), if you are curious. It is really, really good. No pressure, but if you do, please include in the email to me a random number and THEN post it here at least 60 seconds later, so that I know it's you before I email you there.
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Date: October 1st, 2021 9:16 AM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks I've got an xo throwaway that I think follows my moniker. Let me see if I remember the login. It's been years since I tried to log in to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43205451) |
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Date: October 1st, 2021 9:26 AM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks yep, still works. you can email me at autoadmit@outlook.com.
Edit: Also, please no NSFW images of any HLS staff! |
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Date: October 1st, 2021 12:18 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Incoming communications. Pls post your initial reaction here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43206194) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2021 10:26 AM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks Honestly, my first thought is I don't think you help yourself by sending these emails to such an enormous list of individuals. I can see how you'd get to this place psychologically, but frankly I think it makes you seem a bit off-kilter to include everyone under the sun on the email. I think it's counterproductive.
Secondly, I don't know how much you want discussed on the chat boart, but I'm not sure the materials you presented read as you intend them; I wasn't left thinking Sells was out of control and vindictive (though she may very well be) but that the person in the text messages had mental problems and was maybe not the most reliable narrator. In short, it didn't seem anything at all like a smoking gun to me.
If I were you I'd go back to square one and the initial accusation. Assuming you didn't plagarize, it's hard to come up with a reason for the accusation. One of the reasons might be that you're black. So I might try a civil rights complaint approach. Make a complaint that they falsely accused you (and didn't follow normal procedures outlined in the handbook) because you were black. It doesn't seem that far-fetched based on your side of things. |
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Date: October 3rd, 2021 11:07 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43217769) |
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Date: October 1st, 2021 1:35 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Sent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43206610) |
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Date: October 1st, 2021 6:15 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thoughts? Perhaps a few other XO people should see this. I take no joy in this, but this really cannot go on.
If anyone else is interested, I will send.
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Date: October 1st, 2021 8:09 PM Author: bull headed forum wagecucks Haven't had a chance to check yet, sorry. Got swamped this afternoon. Will report back when I do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43208241) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2021 7:18 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Thanks. Please do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43211890) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 2:25 PM Author: jet azn school (OldHLSDude conspicuously absent from thread) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43201712) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 4:30 PM Author: house-broken incel Oh, please. He is definitely here as an alt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43202398) |
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Date: September 30th, 2021 6:16 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43202931) |
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Date: October 5th, 2021 1:38 AM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43224125) |
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Date: October 1st, 2021 5:24 PM Author: buck-toothed crimson quadroon range Brother, I'm sure you'd make a great neurotic lawfag, but maybe take this opportunity as a blessing to do something useful with yourself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43207615) |
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Date: October 1st, 2021 5:28 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook Yeah, I mean, I am not just twiddling my thumbs. I have a tiny bit of work going on on the side but it's not as consistent as I'd like and I'm basically in the red or close to it regularly. I'm exploring and applying to other things too. I've also asked (again) for the paperwork I needed (and still need) to go elsewhere. I'm not going to start working toward (and saving toward) retaking the LSAT or taking the GRE if HLS won't first give me that paperwork, since I can't be admitted elsewhere (including B schools) without it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43207627) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2021 10:32 AM Author: Razzmatazz jet-lagged sneaky criminal deer antler Crazy that you are not considering M7 and living a life of joy and hedonism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43214169) |
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Date: October 6th, 2021 7:16 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook HLS is withholding the paperwork I would need to apply to business school, as I mentioned. I need what's called a "good standing letter" or "dean's certificate" in order to apply to and enroll at ANY graduate or professional school, as all such schools require applicants who have studied for a semester or more at any other graduate or professional school to submit that letter / certificate. HLS is withholding it, cruelly.
At this point, my guess is that HLS does not want to give it to me because they think I will say "see, if, by your own admission, I am in good standing, then why are you preventing me from being actively enrolled?" HLS cares about that possibility more than they care about my ability to obtain a degree from any graduate or professional school -- which they have completely destroyed. |
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Date: October 6th, 2021 8:08 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook I would if I could. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43233438) |
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Date: October 13th, 2021 7:45 PM Author: Umber Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4926664&forum_id=2#43267450) |