Europe came out of the Dark Ages into the Enlightenment only when the Muslims, who found a full copy of Aristotle's works in a Syrian basement in the 600s, reintroduced Aristotle to the Christians 500 years later. This put the Church in a dilemma because they couldn't suppress Aristotle's works (they had burned all their copies but they couldn't burn the Muslim copies) but they had placed faith far above reason for centuries and treated as a heretic anyone who tried to use reason in that period.

Thomas Aquainas gave them their "out", he put together a hodgepodge of nonsense trying to blend Christianity and Aristotle, it was a mess but the church accepted it, forcing them to stop persecuting heretics who wanted to pursue reason above faith, which in turn led to the renaissance. But it was a half-assed solution that never really resolved the conflict between blind faith and reason, and it still carried the underlying Jewish malware of "turn the other cheek", "everyone is equal before God" and "wait for God's justice in the afterlife", all of which allowed Jews to run endless numbers of financial and other scams on the dumb goyim no matter the number of expulsions they suffered. (To be clear, secular liberalism is also a continuation of this destructive belief in equality, just with a superficial dropping of belief of God.)

So basically we lost 1,000+ years of progress because of Christianity which in turn was a Jewish scam, and the west is still feeling the negative effects of this today.

This is why there is not simply a "Jewish question" but also a "Christian question": how do you deal with Christians who suffer from Jewish malware which prevents one from thinking seriously about these issues? At best you end up with road block impediments and endless wishy washiness combined with endless betrayal of any racial solidarity. At worst the Christians end up actively opposing any such solidarity (i.e. the American white Christian "Greatest Generation", suckered by the Jewish media, fighting against German white Christians with the result being a country where whites are now a despised almost minority).

Relevant info: Commissary to the Gentiles by Marcus Eli Ravage, a Jew who gloated about this whole Christian scam in the 1920s. 8 pages.

https://ia802201.us.archive.org/9/items/commissary-to-the-gentiles/Commissary%20to%20the%20Gentiles%20-%20Kike%20Ravage_text.pdf

30 minute audio discussion of Christianity's complete purge of pagan knowledge. Very eye opening.

https://courses.aynrand.org/campus-courses/history-of-philosophy/the-dark-ages-medieval-scholasticism-and-the-rediscovery-of-aristotle/

Rome against Judea; Judea against Rome. History of the conflict between Rome and Judea, 90 pages.

https://hojaseliminadas.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/rome-judea.pdf

Was Jesus even real (as opposed to a Saul of Tarsus story for his revenge scam)? A textual analysis

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U

Cesar Tort’s blog (the only one on the internet focused on the Christian question)

https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/César_Tort

https://westsdarkesthour.com/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44847894)

lol, that is not remotely the thesis being argued in that video. this is the actual "alternative origin theory" he is presenting: https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13425

(scroll down to the section titled "My Brief Summary of What's Most Likely")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44861938)

From your link:

"Right in the middle of this process the Jewish War of 66–70 destroyed the original church in Jerusalem, leaving us with no evidence that any of the original apostles lived beyond it. ...."

"The letters of Paul corroborate the hypothesis that Christianity began with visions (real or claimed) and novel interpretations of scripture, and this is not a fringe proposal but is actually a view shared by many experts."

Use the other sources for the Jewish scam part, especially the Rome/Judea 90 page historical document I linked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44862012)

its the core attribute of christianity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44849789)

- Tolkien

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44851958)

this Gibbon theory came into being around Voltaire's time when it was VERY fashionable to piss on Christianity. the theory itself is jewish malware.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44848305)

hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44850072)

- C.S. “Sheepdog” Lewis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44857890)

- C.S. Lewis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44857998)

It is only fitting that the author set and fell into the same trap that he fantasized Paul had done: “he is also known for his 1928 satirical article, "A Real Case Against the Jews," which the Nazi German propaganda ministry and others down to the present have misused as evidence that the world is dominated by Jewish conspirators.“

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44862617)

A cursory reading of antiquity’s historians to the present day would make the earnest reader conclude these two groups are mentally, spiritually, physically (yes even in the 1st C) polar opposite representations of humanity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44862829)

That's what's so crazy about all this!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44862921)

The perennial JQ is derived from the inability to repel a group that refuses to leave you alone - it refuses to assimilate and honor your laws, imposing its own while extracting wealth and creating unrest for its benefit. Judaism is necessarily parasitic. It is the perfect vehicle of subversion because it has superior organization, esoteric methods, teaches deception as a virtue.

Christianity otoh sucks as a weapon for subversion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44862985)

This is a HUGE one that thankfully many goys are waking up to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44863010)

While Christianity was a Jewish scam intended to destroy Rome and it accomplished its objective beautifully, it’s like creating Frankenstein, the Christians could not be reliably controlled once Rome was gone (like an AI programmed for a purpose that sits around listlessly after the task is completed). So the fact that Jews ultimately hated Christians does not in any way negate the idea that Christianity was a Jewish scam, this is false logic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44865065)

Their track record after Rome as been consistent. Vile treachery “pretty much wherever we want.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44863200)

Would really like all of the "super based" Christians in this thread to address the following points (directly and in plain English please and without dropping any fucking allusions to Chesterton or C.S. Lewis or Tolkien and then blank bumping it because you all love those guys and omg its so profound golden retriever hehe Gondorians hehe IT'S A METAPHOR HEHE or whatever):

-- Why is modern Christianity so objectively gay, and what is the plan to fix that (here on Earth please don't start talking to me about "the Heaven to come" or whatever) and unfaggify it so that it actually becomes a practical and useful organizing / fighting force once again for white people here in this mortal realm?

-- Is the problem with Jews an immutable genetic one, or is it merely a philosophical and religious/spiritual one such that we can and should accept Jews who "convert" to Christianity as our brothers in Christ to be loved and trusted?

-- Is the philosophy of National Socialism fundamentally compatible with, or uncompatible with, Christianity? If the former, are you prepared to condemn and rebuke interracial marriage?

-- What is the *Christian* response to those Christians (and there are many these days) who say things like "well this is a fallen world, we should really focus on praying and preparing ourselves for the next world which is our true home rather than fighting down here in Satan's realm"? Because to my heathen ears, boy that sure sounds like exactly the sort of philosophy that kikes would LOVE for "based" white men across the world to subscribe to wholesale. Oh yes please goys put down those guns and turn the other cheek and let us murder you without resistance as martyrs for Christ, hehe don't worry you'll be richly rewarded in the next life trust us hehe ;)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44864162)

Its not. Humans are being faggots for the last 70 years. Sorry about that but its a person problem not a system problem. Christianity built the modern world, enslaved the non-moderns and beat back the muslims. Deus vult is not just a internet meme it once was the actual cry of knights killing infidels.

"-- Is the problem with Jews an immutable genetic one, or is it merely a philosophical and religious/spiritual one such that we can and should accept Jews who "convert" to Christianity as our brothers in Christ to be loved and trusted? "

Overlapping. There are savable jews and there are unsavable jews, just as there are unsavable non-jews. EG: Soros is an actual demon. OTOH guys like dupa might actually be reformed. And yes, with due care we have to risk taking in a bad one to save a good one. ie, better 100 guilty go free than 1 innocent be hanged.

"-- Is the philosophy of National Socialism fundamentally compatible with, or uncompatible with, Christianity? If the former, are you prepared to condemn and rebuke interracial marriage? "

Yes. Yes. I do so today. I do to my children and encourage every race to do so as well. God made us each separate and distinct, mixing is wrong.

"-- What is the *Christian* response to those Christians (and there are many these days) who say things like "well this is a fallen world, we should really focus on praying and preparing ourselves for the next world which is our true home rather than fighting down here in Satan's realm"? Because to my heathen ears, boy that sure sounds like exactly the sort of philosophy that kikes would LOVE for "based" white men across the world to subscribe to wholesale. Oh yes please goys put down those guns and turn the other cheek and let us murder you without resistance as martyrs for Christ, hehe don't worry you'll be richly rewarded in the next life trust us hehe ;)"

Every man is obliged to defend him and his. Turn the other cheek does not mean we don't defend (proactively if necessary) our society, civilization, families, and race. My cheek is my personal humility and lack of pride, it is not walking into a cattle car to be taken to a camp.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44864883)

"Its not. Humans are being faggots for the last 70 years. Sorry about that but its a person problem not a system problem. Christianity built the modern world, enslaved the non-moderns and beat back the muslims. Deus vult is not just a internet meme it once was the actual cry of knights killing infidels."

>>> "Christianity built the modern world!" We know. Literally no one disputes that. In case you didn't notice, that's part of what condemns it. Look around. The rest of this response is basically "BTW Christianity used to be based a few hundred years ago, so stop focusing so much on the present, Christianity is based end of story." Very strongly argued and highly responsive to my question about the state of *modern* Christianity... gee I wonder why increasing numbers of young people on the hard right think Christians are fucking retarded copium-huffing faggots who won't actually tackle hard questions head on? Oh what a mystery.

"Overlapping. There are savable jews and there are unsavable jews, just as there are unsavable non-jews. EG: Soros is an actual demon. OTOH guys like dupa might actually be reformed. And yes, with due care we have to risk taking in a bad one to save a good one. ie, better 100 guilty go free than 1 innocent be hanged."

>>> "There are savable jews and there are unsavable jews" Fuck that. I literally do not agree with this even slightly, and anyone who thinks that is fundamentally not on my team in the long run. Full stop.

>>> "better 100 guilty go free than 1 innocent be hanged" Again, fuck that. I literally do not agree with this even slightly, and anyone who thinks that is fundamentally not on my team in the long run. Full stop.

"Yes. Yes. I do so today. I do to my children and encourage every race to do so as well. God made us each separate and distinct, mixing is wrong."

>>> I agree with this. Now we come to the second order question: Can you find me a single "based" Christian church active in America today -- and I mean any church, you can cite "fringe radicals" like Pastor Anderson, the "God Hates Fags" crew, whoever -- that actually preaches this and refuses to allow mixed race couples to be part of their parish? I'll wait. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a very long fucking time. (Almost as if absolutely no Christian church in modern America, regardless of how "based" and "hardcore" it is, is actually willing to take this position -- which is a totally mainstream position, even a philosophical tenet, among National Socialists btw. You can't find a single Christian church that will say this, and you can't find a single National Socialist who won't say this. Really makes you think.)

"Every man is obliged to defend him and his. Turn the other cheek does not mean we don't defend (proactively if necessary) our society, civilization, families, and race. My cheek is my personal humility and lack of pride, it is not walking into a cattle car to be taken to a camp."

>>> This is a fine answer. Now we come to the second order question: Have you had / do you have this discussion with your fellow Christians who say things like I posited? If so, what is their response? If not, why not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44865350)

Is this actually true? In what sense? People who were Christians built the modern world, but it’s not clear that Christianity itself should get the majority of the credit, as opposed to the influence of Greek/Roman pagan civilization and later the renaissance/enlightenment/scientific revolution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44867862)

I would argue that the good parts of the modern world owe a lot to the ancient Pagan Greeks and Romans, and the shitty parts of the modern world can directly be traced back to the foibles and flaws of "modern Christianity" (meaning the last few hundred years of its existence) as an ideology and a philosophy. I was referring to the latter in that comment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44867947)

-- Why is modern Christianity so objectively gay, and what is the plan to fix that (here on Earth please don't start talking to me about "the Heaven to come" or whatever) and unfaggify it so that it actually becomes a practical and useful organizing / fighting force once again for white people here in this mortal realm?

everything is objectively gay and the fundamental issue is that progressivism is a parasitical force rather than an objective one (and arguably has been since the french revolution and earlier, perhaps starting with duns scotus). it cannot create, only corrupt. in our particular times, it is a particularly virulent parasite and has become particularly blatant, and this effects every kind of ideology - even libertarianism, one of the closer sisters in some ways to the sort of national socialism you're prescribing, or at least the route by which many americans reach it. i think some more traditional branches have kept themselves ungay (hardcore latin rite catholics, actual calvinist presbyterians, etc.), but the key moving forward is to focus internally on small parish communities where the emphasis is healthy families (even if that means, e.g. for catholics, ignoring the bishops to the extent we can). it really can be a force for the kind of good you're concerned with when it enables young mothers to meet and support each other, including in practical ways like helping families out when they're in difficulty (think: baby clothes, babysitting, etc.).

-- Is the problem with Jews an immutable genetic one, or is it merely a philosophical and religious/spiritual one such that we can and should accept Jews who "convert" to Christianity as our brothers in Christ to be loved and trusted?

latter, but it probably takes three generations to fully assimilate people from a fundamentally different culture. those that stayed jews made incredible efforts to teach children that the smart children never forgot they were jews (e.g. in the maxwell passover book many american jews grow up reading). there should probably be suspicion until that third generation.

-- Is the philosophy of National Socialism fundamentally compatible with, or uncompatible with, Christianity? If the former, are you prepared to condemn and rebuke interracial marriage?

admittedly this aspect is not compatible with christianity. i think you can, again, mitigate harms through aggressive localism, and that would be my emphasis.

-- What is the *Christian* response to those Christians (and there are many these days) who say things like "well this is a fallen world, we should really focus on praying and preparing ourselves for the next world which is our true home rather than fighting down here in Satan's realm"? Because to my heathen ears, boy that sure sounds like exactly the sort of philosophy that kikes would LOVE for "based" white men across the world to subscribe to wholesale. Oh yes please goys put down those guns and turn the other cheek and let us murder you without resistance as martyrs for Christ, hehe don't worry you'll be richly rewarded in the next life trust us hehe ;)

demoralization is real, although i haven't personally encountered much talk of focusing on the next life. i would focus on family, again, and say ask anyone what kind of world they want their children to inherit. if they're insistent on the next life, i'd argue that life is difficult enough to live well in a good world, imagine how much more prone to sin their children will be in this unfolding hellscape in the cities. do you want them to be condemned to the fires?

as a coda for the last point, i think christianity is at its best when it's persecuted and with its back to a wall. you will get both the martyr sorts (think: women) and guys willing to endure quite a bit of (literal) fighting for their families and their church.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44864936)

I like Emilio but it's something something gorgeous questions something something golden retriever and then he disappears for like ten days

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44867570)

This is true but it's also not responsive to that poast. I'm unironically kind of fucking retarded and I don't think anyone has to be a genius to ask the obvious questions I asked above. If Christianity is, indeed, the path forward here on this Earth (as its proponents like to claim), then it shouldn't require any special genius to answer them clearly and logically, either. And yet here we are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44867918)

What these two miss, however, is that 1) Christendom is the fulfillment of paganism, meaning that you can’t go back to paganism in any sustainable way, only a self-parody (consider Tolkien’s criticism of Hitler - and remember that Tolkien preferred German victory over American victory);

and 2) It’s only sincerely aiming for Heaven that we get Earth thrown in, as C.S. Lewis said. Don’t believe me? Consider the connection not only between happiness and holiness, but also between sanctity and sanity.

Why do devout traditionalist Christians always have the most clarity (as evidenced by the fruits, those idyllic communities that enrage our Talmudic friends so), while earnest pro-European (which you are) but non-Christian people always have bizarre blind spots, both in terms of social policy and their own personal lives?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44867884)

"White people's greatness ACKSHUALLY comes from Christianity, not the other way around!"

I've heard that one before. It's certainly a nice and self-serving thought for Christians.

If it has the additional virtue of also being true and historically supportable, please address Ancient Rome and Ancient Pagan Rome. Or was there not really a lot of greatness worth remembering going on in those civilizations? Thank goodness Rome eventually discovered Christianity and then became great only after doing that? Haha, yeah, haha...

PS: I specifically asked for clear answers to the questions I posed above without any allusions to C.S. Lewis or Tolkien. In response I got... a bunch of mostly unclear handwaving that contains allusions to both C.S. Lewis and Tolkien. Why does that keep happening whenever I try to seriously engage with the "based" Christians on this bort?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44867924)

These questions have all been addressed here before, but there’s a major ego and/or phenotype factor that prevents certain people (this has historically been true) from earnestly engaging with the wisdom of their ancestors, and instead starting with the default attitude of “God in the dock[et],” as C.S. Lewis said.

When you view yourself as the supreme authority (Why? What has gone right in your life to produce that kind of self-confidence? You’re not Jewish - you should know better), then you will always find reasons to “prove” your “unique” understanding, an “understanding” that few if any functional people have (and I don’t mean “Status,” I mean liked by desirable people, which is a big clue).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44867995)

Real talk I'm not even trying to fight with you but I just have to ask: Is there something about being a "based" Christian that requires you to namecheck and quote Chesterton, Tolkien, or Lewis in every single poast you make?

I fucking love Adolf Hitler but I probably drop his name or quote him in far less than 1% of my poasts. That's because I can clearly articulate the substance of the ideas I believe in (including many I took from him) without invoking him or falling back on any particular words that he himself used to convey them. By contrast, I'm not sure I've ever seen a substantive poast from any member of the "Golden Retriever Crew" that doesn't have a quote or three from one of those guys shoehorned into it somehow.

To your point, I don't view myself as an authority on anything, I just trust myself to ask questions that I want to have answered and then evaluate whether the answers that I am getting make logical sense to me. I'm still waiting to hear answers that convince me from the "based" Christians on a wide array of important points, and name dropping old dead guys and making references to dogs and creatures from the mythos of old fantasy worlds isn't gonna do it for me to be honest with you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44868009)

2. I think the intellectual dishonesty of the “based” Christians is best exemplified by them constantly attacking everyone who advocates OP’s POV as “Jewish” or “Talmudic friends.” This position literally comes straight from Hitler but don’t you dare repeat it, as you must be a filthy Jew like Hitler was! It’s seriously a 50 IQ line of reasoning yet it seems to be the #1 response from the “based” Christians, when they aren’t spouting gibberish of course

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44868087)

These are all good questions that you're raising, because recognizing that white European people have legitimate shared interests (and not "Hottentots" LARPing as Europeans, as C.S. Lewis said circa The Discarded Image), this is a major step out of the mental prison of cultural Marxism / Global Capitalism, the devilish systems of human interchangeability.

To your question about constant references to our betters, fittingly enough it's what our European ancestors used to do as naturally as breathing (as illuminated by C.S. Lewis in The Discarded Image, who else?). No matter how far back you go in European history (including before Christendom), life is lived in the context of deference to "proven truth-telling objects," as Chesterton said.

In Christendom, Lewis notes, the best of Greece, Rome, and Biblical tradition - these are constantly being discussed and combined as the solution to every problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5153071&forum_id=2#44868163)