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Hypo: Chess against Magnus Carlsen but your pieces are invisible
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:42 PM Author: Idiotic Indigo Therapy Gas Station He does not see your hand moving them, nor your pieces themselves, but he may learn of their identity and whereabouts after they take his pieces or he takes them. He would need to ascertain "that was a knight which just struck me".
You see the whole board, due to special glasses. He is just told "a move was made" and which, if any, of his pieces was taken. Likewise, when he captures your piece, he is told which piece it was.
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:48 PM Author: Irate rehab weed whacker Probably not, but I like this hypo. Well done, friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079603) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:57 PM Author: Mind-boggling hairy legs heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079642) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:14 PM Author: Odious marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080405) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:56 PM Author: purple pea-brained double fault old irish cottage Would be more interesting if he could see your hand move a piece but not the board layout. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079639) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:03 PM Author: Adventurous cocky stage i assume he can mentally picture the entire board effortlessly at any given point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079666) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:07 PM Author: Vigorous lime set This would be orders of magnitude easier. Each unique piece has a predetermined type of movement it can make which is easily identifiable - the only difficulty I can foresee would be identifying the Queen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079674) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:34 PM Author: purple pea-brained double fault old irish cottage I think that it would be impossible to track the pieces after 10 moves and maybe fewer. The permutations quickly go into the millions and then billions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079785) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:38 PM Author: Lake Church Boltzmann No, blind chess is a thing. This is like next level tho. Biggest question is if Carlson is penalized for an impossible move. Otherwise I think he can probe you
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindfold_chess |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:39 PM Author: Adventurous cocky stage he only needs to remember the static positions on the board, changing one move at a time. i find it hard to believe this would be beyond his abilities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079815) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:18 PM Author: mahogany piazza This means he would be able to play normally, Magnus is pretty good at blind chess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080419) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:04 PM Author: Adventurous cocky stage how does he know which moves he can make? if he tries to move a rook across the board but it runs into one of my pieces, is he required to then take that piece? what about forward pawn moves? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46079669) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 3:46 PM Author: light arrogant patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080307) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 3:48 PM Author: Lake Church Boltzmann Yeah, looking at the rules of blindfold chess you usually can only make one illegal move before your forfeit. I imagine he’d need more leeway here - 5 moves - 10 moves? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080310) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:15 PM Author: Odious marketing idea "Rook" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080408) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:19 PM Author: Idiotic Indigo Therapy Gas Station if he moves into a piece that he did not know was there, it is captured, just the same as if he knew it. This is, after all, how he builds the map in his mind. He will be told, "you just captured a pawn"
As for him stumbling into impossible moves, like him moving a pwn forward into something blocking it, he gets slapped *hard* once across the face, told "you cant do that retard", but is then allowed another move |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:21 PM Author: mahogany piazza LMAO this makes the hypo way funnier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080430) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:28 PM Author: dark chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080447) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:50 PM Author: Adventurous cocky stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080498) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:20 PM Author: mahogany piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080428) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 3:41 PM Author: copper rebellious resort pisswyrm He’d probably do well against an opponent with some chess experience. He’d be able to sort of brute force his way through the standard openings until you get to the mid game. Mid-game he might still be able to have a read on what’s going on and be able to attack some of your pieces. But surely by the endgame his lineup would be ravaged and he’d have a hell of a time maneuvering your king into checkmate.
If it was someone with no chess background, even the opening might be too chaotic for him to read what’s going on.
It’s sort of how you could navigate your own house blindfolded without much difficulty. It’s so familiar. But almost anywhere else and I’d be disoriented and bumping into everything. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:40 PM Author: mahogany piazza but that's the thing -- I have a lot of chess experience and I might just pawn storm into his kingside first thing if I know he can't see.
easy to stop if you can see it, but there's no way you can move accurately to defend against it if you don't know exactly what's where. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 3:57 PM Author: Razzmatazz Fat Ankles Temple this would be pretty easy for him, here's him playing blindfolded against three people simultaneously and beating them all (although his opponents moves are read out to him)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmXwdoRG43U
and the record is 48 simultaneous blindfolded games https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/feb/10/timor-gareyev-48-chess-games-blindfolded-riding-exercise-bike-leonard-barden |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:19 PM Author: mahogany piazza His opponents' moves being read out to him is what makes this possible at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080425) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:01 PM Author: saffron adulterous sex offender he would win effortlessly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080352) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:17 PM Author: mahogany piazza Absolutely, and it wouldn't be close. No way for him to defend against threats he can't see, a mediocre club player would destroy him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080414) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:17 PM Author: Sable foreskin property i think you are right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080416) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:21 PM Author: Idiotic Indigo Therapy Gas Station idea is after a little while he has sussed out where all your pieces are. they all start in known positions, he counts the number of moves, and when things start to collide, he knows for sure where the forward most pieces are. He can also adjust strategy to send bombs into places to ascertain whats there.
question is can his brain do all this high level mapping |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:33 PM Author: Sable foreskin property the mapping would be incredibly easy for him but even as he is mapping he wouldn't know if a piece is a pawn or a bishop or what |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:33 PM Author: Lake Church Boltzmann Ok, got the face slapping part.
But any time a piece is captured he is told name/position? Then I bet he can win pretty easily. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:34 PM Author: mahogany piazza lol no
it's far too late then
I can prosecute a hyper-aggressive early game that would be laughably easy to defend against normally, but because he doesn't know what I'm aiming at until I capture, there's no chance. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:33 PM Author: mahogany piazza there's just not enough time here
there are almost 72,000 possible positions after four moves, many of which are suddenly much more viable if your opponent can't see your pieces. Recklessly aggressive play can't be punished if he can't see what he can capture.
I can be threatening early forks on either side and he can't defend both c7 and f7 equally (especially if he doesn't know to defend either). He's never going to know I'm piling up on a pinned piece until I capture -- things that would be trivially easy for him to defend against and exploit if he could see. By the time he recons by capture and slaps, it'll be too late for him to avoid being down a queen or more, at which point I simply avoid hanging any pieces to the guy who literally can't see them.
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:28 PM Author: frisky national I'm sure someone pointed this out, but that's a known variant of chess (+ he'd very easily win). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080593) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:34 PM Author: Idiotic Indigo Therapy Gas Station isnt the variant / the blind chess, etc. different insofar as the moves are announced? In this hypo he is not told which piece has moved where. He must make informed guesses and strategize in order to confirm his guesses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080614) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:37 PM Author: mahogany piazza no, he really wouldn't. Blind chess involves both people not being able to see the board (their pieces OR their opponent's), and also having the moves read aloud (or, online, there's a move log) -- and ofc he'd win this handily.
But if I can see the board, he isn't told my moves, and he can't see the board, he would lose to even 1800s and 2000s. |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 7:00 AM Author: frisky national Watched a vid of Hikaru losing at this variant to an IM; think you're right, I stand corrected. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46082501) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 11:44 AM Author: mahogany piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46083288) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 6:41 PM Author: Odious marketing idea If I can see my chess pieces they aren't invisible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310486&forum_id=2#46080843) |