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Date: June 18th, 2007 8:03 AM Author: Dead Milk Sweet Tailpipe
so says the morning program.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8269384) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 9:54 AM Author: maroon locale
ATC doesnt have a podcast. how ttt is that?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8269510)
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Date: June 18th, 2007 12:51 PM Author: beady-eyed ruddy site
Althouse:
We've been talking about the lawsuit brought by two Yale law students who are suing various individuals over some nasty talk about them at the AutoAdmit. NPR will have an "All Things Considered" story on the subject today. I gave a 20 minute interview to the reporter and will be interested to see which part of it they use. Perhaps none. I'm going to guess that the story will be very supportive of the students and will underplay free speech concerns.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8269953) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 5:31 PM Author: Self-absorbed Field
rofl. looks like you dont know leiter as well as i do.
i suspect he contacts media outlets himself.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270985) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 2:04 PM Author: swollen theater stage gaming laptop
yeah, just go to your favorite npr station and listen to their live stream
for example
http://www.wbez.org/Default.aspx
or this
http://www.kcrw.com/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270142) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 2:05 PM Author: aphrodisiac garrison
ANN ALTHOUSE WAG
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270149) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 2:11 PM Author: aphrodisiac garrison
Same here.
WGWAG
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270169) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 2:06 PM Author: Orchid lascivious sanctuary tank
!!!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270150) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 4:42 PM Author: Violent Meetinghouse Sneaky Criminal
bump
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270809) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 4:50 PM Author: Underhanded Coldplay Fan
do they interview Fertik?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270836) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:05 PM Author: Contagious market
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270886) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:06 PM Author: Contagious market
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270891) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:09 PM Author: supple chapel
Palestinian budgetary processes? Classic NPR booooooring crap.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270896) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:14 PM Author: Underhanded Coldplay Fan
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270913) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:15 PM Author: Rebellious puppy
it doesn't sound liek it's coming
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270920) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:16 PM Author: supple chapel
Stupid Daniel Schorr talking about stupid George Bush!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270924) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 5:19 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone giraffe
How in fuck did he ever get on the radio? He sounds like he had a stroke.
ooh ooh, it's next!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270932) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:19 PM Author: supple chapel
Here we go! Do you like the way she pronounced "schmeeer" campaign? This should be good.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270933) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:19 PM Author: Contagious market
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270934) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:19 PM Author: Self-absorbed Field
COMING UP NEXT
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270936) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:20 PM Author: Contagious market
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270938) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:21 PM Author: supple chapel
God damn Rupert Murdoch story. They switched it on us.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270944) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:21 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone giraffe
wtf wsj? They're using the xo story as a teaser.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270949) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:23 PM Author: Self-absorbed Field
OMG
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270960) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:23 PM Author: supple chapel
OK here it is.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270961) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:23 PM Author: Violent Meetinghouse Sneaky Criminal
WHOS GOING TO BE THE NUMBER ONE BOY
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270963) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:24 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone giraffe
Feministe quoted!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270967) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:25 PM Author: Violent Meetinghouse Sneaky Criminal
jill has a nice voice. she sounds hurt. idiots.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270971) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:26 PM Author: Self-absorbed Field
VOLOKH!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270973) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:26 PM Author: floppy double fault nursing home
I can't even believe this is happening.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270974) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:26 PM Author: supple chapel
Volokh doubts causation.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270975) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:28 PM Author: Contagious market
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270977) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:28 PM Author: Self-absorbed Field
Hands down fairest coverage this board has ever received. i love npr
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270978) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 5:33 PM Author: Self-absorbed Field
in what sense?
also, if this is mandy, please say that in your response
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270995) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:29 PM Author: dashing pervert
Althouse got slighted.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270979) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:30 PM Author: supple chapel
JC sounded pretty reasonable. Leiter uttered some libertarian-sounding comments about the marketplace exacting a punishment -- very surprising given his general outlook and possibly due to editing or to his desire not to reveal his personality on the radio.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270982) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 5:37 PM Author: Self-absorbed Field
leiter says if the names get out no firms will touch these people (phrases it in marketplace terms, the poster above was right).
jill F talks as a proxy for the Ps who werent interviewed. (scary to go to class, people there might want to have sex with me).
volokh says yalies are heavily recruited, doubts causation
rachmiel says "it wouldnt be a productive use of my time" (shouldnt have said that--should have just said I dont ahve time)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271006) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 5:54 PM Author: Violent Meetinghouse Sneaky Criminal
i took "not a productive use of my time" to mean it would be futile to try to delete every offensive thread on a board with 8million posts
but it's true it's not a great soudnbite
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271051) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 7:12 PM Author: Lilac elite hairy legs
Well, I did explain after that why it wasn't productive to get in the habit of removing comments, because they reappear in multiples. That just wasn't included.
After listening to this clip, I should seriously consider rhinoplasty, or some corrective measures for that nasal voice of mine!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271285) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 8:33 PM Author: Self-absorbed Field
unless an interview is live you have to prepare soundbites. reporters dont quote full paragraphs.
i know what you meant to say, but unfortunately it can be interpreted as "i dont care about what the Ps are going thru."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271559) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 5:37 PM Author: Violent Meetinghouse Sneaky Criminal
announcer introduced autoadmit and the lawsuit. cited a few "rape" posts. talked to that jill girl from feministe, who said after autoadmit started hounding her she felt somewhat uncomfortable in public and in class (not knowing if she was sitting next to the perp). jill is not suing.
they talked to volokh, who said the doe who went 16/4/0 with law firms probably didn't do so because the firms read anything on autoadmit.
they talked to leiter, who said the Does' best remedy might be to out the defendants and thereby ruin their legal careers.
they talked to rachmiel, who said GTO was having trouble finding a job (he's "radioactive" according to rach), and who seemed ambivalent about whether he had a responsibility to police the board.
there was more, but this was the "new" stuff, if you understand what i mean.
no legal issues were discussed iirc.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271009) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 5:49 PM Author: Awkward state
Thanks for the recap ppl. From what you say this sounds like a fair story with several viewpoints represented.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271035)
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Date: June 18th, 2007 5:36 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone giraffe
I think Leiter is referring at least in part to himself when he talks about "the marketplace."
Was the "stupid jew bitch" comment a :D quote?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271002) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 5:59 PM Author: Poppy bawdyhouse
"Leiter uttered some libertarian-sounding comments about the marketplace exacting a punishment -- very surprising given his general outlook and possibly due to editing or to his desire not to reveal his personality on the radio."
Leiter is just trying to "fit-in" with his future Chicago colleagues.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271067) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:32 PM Author: Violent Meetinghouse Sneaky Criminal
volokh has a brassier voice than i expected.
leiter sounded surprisingly calm and measured.
feel bad for jill F.
too bad they didn't get into the legal issues at all - probably that's what althouse talked about.
rachmiel did fine. i wish they'd devoted more time to him.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8270993) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 5:57 PM Author: dashing pervert
Woohoo, I was quoted by Ann Althouse! I opined!
"UPDATE: You can listen to the NPR story on AutoAdmit here. None of my quotes were used. Here's the AutoAdmit discussion thread which has the guys listening to the story in real time, expressing their annoyance at the intervening news stories -- "Stupid Daniel Schorr talking about stupid George Bush!/How in f*ck did he ever get on the radio? He sounds like he had a stroke" --- and opining "Althouse got slighted." After the show: "Hands down fairest coverage this board has ever received. i love npr." "I like how they suggested GTO getting offerpwn3d would be some consolation to the Ps." GTO is Anthony Ciolli (the site's "educational director") had a job offer rescinded after the controversy hit the media."
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2007/06/another-lawsuit-threatens-free-speech.html
(I thought NPRs coverage was fair, but it didn't really cover the free speech concerns.)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271062) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 6:03 PM Author: Carmine degenerate
Some moron conflated Jill F with the Does.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271076) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 6:09 PM Author: Flatulent Becky
fair story. i thought it was very well done because they quoted the people to state what the case is really about: heide and brittan want people outed. they know they have very little or no chance on the legal issues.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271092) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 6:15 PM Author: bat shit crazy national
I dont know if the story lived up to its hype. I was pretty stoked to hear we were going to be on NPR. Now i have nothing to do the rest of the afternoon except work :(
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271107) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 7:14 PM Author: Violent Meetinghouse Sneaky Criminal
kind of a good point that's gone unremarked.
besides, "dumb jew bitch" is just an insult. it's not defamatory and it's not outrageous enough for IIED. it's only in the complaint because it makes :D look like a racist.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271290) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 7:17 PM Author: Violent Meetinghouse Sneaky Criminal
if you said something completely outrageous AND racist, yes. or that was fighting words AND racist. you need a peg besides racism to get that into court.
otherwise, no.
not legal advice, but my personal advice is that you should get a lawyer if it comes down to it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271303) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 7:06 PM Author: balding institution ratface
pretty solid journalism
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271258) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 7:23 PM Author: Zippy stimulating famous landscape painting mother
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271324) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 7:27 PM Author: Zippy stimulating famous landscape painting mother
I am so hurt by you, EEtoJD. I am 'A-bot' not a bot.
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271338) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 9:15 PM Author: buff doctorate
tintcr
In early episodes of TNG, Data uses contractions.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271697) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 7:43 PM Author: odious address
rach kinda sounds like woody allen.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271374) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 8:02 PM Author: green ticket booth striped hyena
Thought about Leiter's comment:
He suggests the marketplace take care of the people who posted about Heidi and Heller or whatever.
Well, how about the marketplace take care of the actual speech at issue by people posting nice things about these girls.
What a fucking perverse version of first amendment law Leiter has. The Supreme Court has said the best remedy for speech is more speech - the basic marketplace approach. Leiter interprets this marketplace to mean: hey, let's censor speech we don't like, then attack free speech by outing the speakers' identities, and then let the "marketplace" destroy their careers.
Leiter, you're a cunt.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271457) |
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Date: June 18th, 2007 9:17 PM Author: Iridescent Theater Prole
No harm. No foul. A marketplace vote on all involved parties is fair. It's the American way too.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271704)
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Date: June 18th, 2007 9:38 PM Author: green ticket booth striped hyena
A marketplace vote is 1) not fair and 2) not the American way.
The marketplace governs free speech: if you don't like some speech, drown it out with more speech.
The marketplace does not govern actions, such as outing posters and possibly ruining careers.
The American way is actually to restrain the marketplace from deciding such things. We have a republican form of government in part because our Framers wanted to protect the country against the whims of the mob. While our legal system still centers around the jury, our laws and procedures attempt to restrict its influence.
You basically recite what Leiter is saying.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8271782) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 10:24 PM Author: painfully honest codepig hell
awesome piece. Totally impartial, didn't leave out anything important.
ps, rach sounds like the geek. HOT.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8272000) |
Date: June 18th, 2007 10:34 PM Author: bistre exhilarant nibblets
i didn't catch it. did they mention me?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=646507&forum_id=2#8272036) |
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