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Date: July 2nd, 2007 4:34 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration gotcha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8327453) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 4:42 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison This is IIED. Please contact me so I can serve you with notice of suit.
Seriously though, I'm dreading this moment. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 12:50 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator What is the deal with grades this year? I heard from upper class people that they had at least a few grades at this point last year. Anyone have any info? Maybe some of the RAs could tell us if their profs have turned in their grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8330823) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 12:54 PM Author: translucent dilemma community account some electives have their grades. LRW is out for the most part. judging from posts from last year, we'll know about the others in about a week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8330836) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 12:58 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator My elective is not out; LRW has been out for a while for me. In a week we'll have one or two grades, or all of them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8330842) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 12:59 PM Author: translucent dilemma community account in theory, all of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8330845) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 1:01 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin They were supposed to have been submitted by yesterday (the 2nd). I don't know how long it takes the registrar to post them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8330849) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 1:07 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator In theory, but I gather that profs don't always pay too much heed to the "deadline." I am wondering whether the profs or the registrar is the more blameworthy party here. I can see the registrar people saying "screw it, its day before 4th of july" and not really entering what they have. Of course, I'm setting up a straw man and direct my anxiety toward it. I have no basis for this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8330869) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 1:11 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin There's at least one prof (you probably know who) who was very late last year. I overheard him say he's not going to be this year, though.
A better question might be whether they wait for all 1L core class grades to be in before posting any of them. I doubt it, but you never know. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 1:27 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator I do know who you are talking about. There was a lot of moaning over that last year. I don't think they wait for all the core classes to be in before posting, based on the fact that upper classmen friends told me their grades trickled in a few days at a time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8330931) |
Date: July 3rd, 2007 3:01 PM Author: disrespectful location cuckold registrar is in and posting today; another LRW section's grades are up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8331304) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 3:06 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator awesome information. any idea if any of the 1L core classes are coming up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8331319) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 3:11 PM Author: disrespectful location cuckold None here and no others that I've heard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8331334) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 3:12 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin none here either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8331340) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 9:53 AM Author: titillating indian lodge I'm going to bring a big cup of coffee over to the registrar's office today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8339439) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 9:54 AM Author: Passionate Masturbator As I'm sure you know by now, Garnett's crim grades were turned as of yesterday. Let's see how long they take to come up. Anyone think it will happen today? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8339441) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 1:26 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator Bump. This is getting ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8339967) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 1:36 PM Author: translucent dilemma community account last quarter grades were released around 3pm central time. patience, my son. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340004) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 1:43 PM Author: Sexy Hyperactive Goal In Life Keepsake Machete Anyone on campus have any updates? I heard the registrar (PN) was on vacation this whole week - maybe that's why everything is taking so long (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340019) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 1:49 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin That can't be possible - if there is one week he should be there, it's this one (and maybe later in the summer when schedules are drafted). I also doubt profs would put up with a July 2 grade submission deadline if they knew that the registrar wouldn't be around to enforce it or post what they had submitted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340041) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 1:54 PM Author: Sexy Hyperactive Goal In Life Keepsake Machete Supposedly, if you email him, you get an auto reply saying he is out of the office from July 2 to July 6. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340055) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 2:06 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin Wow. If true, I expect we'll get grades on monday or tuesday. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340077) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 2:10 PM Author: disrespectful location cuckold but one LRW section did see grades post on Tuesday, the 3rd... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340091) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 2:15 PM Author: Sexy Hyperactive Goal In Life Keepsake Machete I believe Amy is still working, but grades will take longer since she'll be working alone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340119) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 2:16 PM Author: Sexy Hyperactive Goal In Life Keepsake Machete This is all second hand info so I could be wrong. Has anyone seen the registrar on campus since Monday? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340121) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 2:18 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration what are your initials? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340128) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 2:28 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator I find this to be unbelievable, if true. Why would anyone let him take vacation this week, regardless of whether the 4th is a free day off etc. There really isn't much for them to do once they put the grades in. This whole system is frankly stupid. They should just email out an excel sheet with student exam #s and grades and we can just find out right away. They can take the their sweet time inputing it into cmore later... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340169) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 2:31 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration haha what's the rush? What does it matter if you find out one week later? why should you tell PN he can't go on vacation just because you want to know what your grades are 1 week earlier? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340179) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 2:38 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator If this is a serious question, then the answer is yes. Obviously if it didn't matter when we got them this thread would not exist and there would not be a July 2nd deadline. Spring quarter grades are the culmination of 1L misery/existence. All that stands between me and that closure is PN. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340196) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:11 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Why don't you just view your 1L year as ending with the exams? That's the end of the period of time you have any control over how things turn out. Your grades are probably out there, somewhere, your fate is already sealed, try to focus on whatever it is you're doing this summer instead. Think about fall OCI; resume review begins soon, for example.
Personally, I like the period of time without the grades better, because then I can at least maintain the delusion of competence. This is particularly true of Crim, for me. |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:21 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator Because I define myself by my grades. Also, because my mother never loved me. Also, fall OCI success is largely based on your grades (and minority status), especially for the places I want to work at. I can't even think about where I'm interviewing and what I want to do with my career till these grades come out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340372) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:27 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration you are annoying (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340420) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:30 PM Author: titillating indian lodge Yeah yeah, deep down you're thinking the same thing. Otherwise you wouldn't be in this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340436) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:33 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison There's a difference between being anxious about grades and believing that PN has a positive duty to postpone a vacation in order to cater to that unnecessary anxiety. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340451) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:36 PM Author: cyan bateful station pn is but one man (or woman--haven't really been paying much attention ), and yet has news pertaining to the destiny of many souls. i think it's reasonable to claim that s/he has an obligation to get the word out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340458) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:45 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Irrelevant. Whether PN has a duty to "get the word out"--and I can readily agree he has an obligation to do so--does not bear on the question of just how quickly that word must be "gotten out," so to speak. Our destiny is our destiny, whether it becomes clear to us this week, next week, or last week.
Also, this argument overlooks countervailing considerations. We're appropriately hesitant to impose a moral obligation upon professors to get grades out very quickly, because the more quickly we expect grading to be done, the less likely it's to be done carefully (or by the professor, at all). In the same way, rushing the reporting of grades may only encourage clerical errors. Personally, I'd rather wait another few hours for my grade than risk the wrong grade being entered under my name. |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:49 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator Whoever you are, I respect you and all, but you seem to miss the point entirely. No one is saying PN should be typing faster than he can while maintaining accuracy. There is a big difference between saying "come to work" and saying "work really fast." No one suggested the latter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340541) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:55 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Heh. This can go on and on, but I'm going to pull out here. I have actual, productive work to do. Just remember: take deep breaths. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340569) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:39 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator This was, obviously, not a serious sentiment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340476) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:31 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison I recognize that this is becoming flame, but as for the OCI claim: did you wait until you got your LSAT to research schools? I had a whole spread of schools I'd consider attending, depending upon what my final LSAT turned out to be. There's no reason why you can't do similar kind of work now, with respect to firms.
Besides, brushing up your resume isn't something that needs to wait for grades. What are you going to say you did this summer? "Trolled XOXO endlessly"? |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:33 PM Author: translucent dilemma community account "What are you going to say you did this summer? "Trolled XOXO endlessly"?"
actually... |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 3:33 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator This is a valid point. I have just been useless today at work because grades are supposed to come out etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340452) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 5:44 PM Author: kink-friendly aggressive pozpig tanning salon Subject: douche waiting to happen "Because I define myself by my grades. "
Wow thats pretty sad. Good luck to you. |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 5:15 PM Author: Nubile Maize Property health law is up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340922) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 5:23 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration howd you do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340946) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 5:35 PM Author: pearly gaming laptop therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8340989) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 5:40 PM Author: Nubile Maize Property fine, u? malani is notorious for handing out 177s so i'm happy with what i got (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8341010) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 8:23 PM Author: rusted mildly autistic jap base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8341565) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 8:35 PM Author: Nubile Maize Property some post in a grades thread from about a year ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8341610) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 8:39 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin It makes sense. He's a quant geek, so is surely aware of the affect each grade given has on the curve, especially in a smaller class. He's also a nice guy, it seems, and might find it hard to give out Cs. Therefore, lots of 177s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8341618) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 8:49 PM Author: rusted mildly autistic jap base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8341661) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 8:58 PM Author: Nubile Maize Property it was smaller than the 50 student threshold, but i have reason to believe he stuck with the 10/80/10 scheme (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8341702) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 9:40 PM Author: rusted mildly autistic jap base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8341868) |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 9:55 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin "By faculty vote, there is a curve for classes of more than 50 students where the number of A's should approximately equal the number of C's and the median grade should be 177. This distribution is strongly recommended for all classes (regardless of size) and for seminars for which an examination is the basis of the grade."
So a prof would be going against what is strongly recommended by deviating from the curve in a class of any size. I have to assume, therefore, that the standard curve is the default in all non-seminar courses.
Also, how do you know it's your best grade? |
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Date: July 5th, 2007 10:14 PM Author: rusted mildly autistic jap base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8341988) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 10:48 AM Author: glittery theater internal respiration my biggest mistake this year was not trying to get into trade secrets. I heard the grading was an absolute joke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8343958) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:02 AM Author: disrespectful location cuckold Explain...
Are you talking a 178 median? 179? Everyone got an A who turned in an exam? |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:07 AM Author: Nubile Maize Property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344014) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:08 AM Author: Buff University Hominid that sounds pretty normal because the median grade that is given in seminars is a 179 (according to the memo on the U of C website that discussed when grades are due). So I guess it is a sweet deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344019) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:10 AM Author: Vivacious federal public bath mad cow disease So as a 0L, I should try to get into this class? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344026) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:12 AM Author: Buff University Hominid well the electives change each year. But if there are any seminars offered next year (this year trade secrets and roman law were electives), you should try to get into the class assuming you like the subject and want to be stuck writing papers. they are also pretty hard to get into, but it's worth the try if you want a softer curve and the subject interests you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344034) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:13 AM Author: Nubile Maize Property i'm not even sure if its guaranteed to come up next year. also, theres a lottery to get in. any seminar will have a higher median though, so shoot for those. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344038) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:13 AM Author: disrespectful location cuckold That probably explains my 179 in my elective, which had less than 50 people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344036) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:17 AM Author: magical address azn Just a heads up: The administration has been known to crack down on profs when reports of easy grading show up on XO.
I would recommend editing out the name of the course. |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:19 AM Author: Passionate Masturbator Really? why would they care if it comes up on XO? they see the grades themselves...they know who is being generous... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344060) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:20 AM Author: magical address azn You'd think so. But one prof this year had to warn his class that because of a post on XO, he was no longer allowed to give everyone As. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344068) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:21 AM Author: Passionate Masturbator Interesting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344072) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:22 AM Author: magical address azn As you might imagine, the 2/3Ls in that class were out for the blood of the person who made the post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344077) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:25 AM Author: clear flickering native Bullshit. Blame the administration. The person who posted could not have forseen the consequences and was probably trying to be helpful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344088) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:27 AM Author: magical address azn That was my take too. But I was in the small minority. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344094) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:24 AM Author: clear flickering native They can't allow their reputation for RIGOR to be diminished by trash talk. wgwag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344084) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:49 AM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison I don't understand why we wouldn't want the easy graders known. Easy graders give the students who happen to get them an unfair competitive advantage relative to the rest of the class that employers are not necessarily going to pick up on. My understanding with Trade Secrets this last quarter, for example, is that they didn't even have a final paper to worry about. They basically turned in these short reading assignments every week. If those assignments are also being graded leniently, the result is that every 1L who was in that class was able not only to get an easy, higher grade than they might have gotten on a forced curve with the rest of their classmates, but they were able to go into the finals period with only three exams to worry about, instead of four.
Easy-A reputations should also be brought out into the open because such reputations make it more difficult for students with a genuine interest in the material being covered in an Easy-A course to gain admittance. I wanted to be in Trade Secrets, myself, not because I knew it was an easy A, or even because I knew that seminars were easy courses (I actually didn't know either of these things until well into the spring quarter), but because it was an area of IP I know little about. I couldn't get in; I think around a hundred people lined up for the twenty-something spots available. Maybe people at Chicago are just hot for Trade Secrets or Strahilevitz, but to the extent that people signed up just to get an easy A, it decreased the chances that people with a legitimate interest in the material or the professor would be able to satisfy that interest.
I say, get these courses out there and equalize the grading between class offerings. Law school is competitive enough as it is. |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:53 AM Author: translucent dilemma community account why do you think law school should be fair? that goes against everything law school stands for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344222) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:08 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison While I acknowledge your cynicism, the point I'm trying to make isn't so much that "law school should be fair" but that "it would be rational for law students to want a grading system which does not unduly favor one group of students over another." It makes no sense to be angry at people who have done something to further the end of grading uniformity -- unless you're one of the opportunists who was attempting to take advantage of the system (that is, unless you're an asshole).
The two Crim and K sections this year definitely had very different experiences. We can't be confident that we all have the same understanding of the criminal law and the law of contracts. But we can be reasonably certain that half the other section didn't walk away with A's. I think that's how it should be. |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:54 AM Author: Passionate Masturbator I agree with this completely, and particularly as it pertains to 1L courses. If they want to hand out As like candy, they shouldn't let only 10 1Ls in and force the rest to suffer through an elective with a forced curve. For once we agree simphear, but I think we might be in the minority on this one.
edit: I was agreeing with simphear, and not pew pew, who seems to be in a cynical mood. |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:58 AM Author: translucent dilemma community account that i am, that i am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344244) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 1:38 PM Author: magical address azn My position is that 1Ls just shouldn't be allowed to choose seminars for their electives. I say that as someone who took a seminar as my elective 1L year.
a) It screws up the grade curves for stuff like law review and OCI b) It makes it harder for 2/3Ls to get into classes. For example, Epstein only teaches Roman Law every other year. It sucks that the 2/3Ls who only get one shot at taking the class got beat out by 1Ls who will have their chance 3L year. (Full disclosure: I didn't get into trade secrets because of about 20 1Ls ahead of me on the list). |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 2:13 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Responses to:
a) There's no reason why seminars need to have more lenient grading procedures. You don't have to ban 1Ls from seminars in order to reduce the imbalancing effect you note.
b) The lack of accessibility to seminars students get in their middle year is counterbalanced by grater accessibility in their first and third years by this policy. So "accessibility" does not weigh in favor or against allowing 1Ls into these seminars. In light of this, I think there are other good reasons why 1Ls should have access to the seminar environment. In my case, I believed that a seminar would be more conducive of the sort of engagement that I desired -- I thought it would involve more reading, more writing, and livelier discussion. I think it's good to have a "healthy outlet" for 1Ls with this kind of interest; it further might encourage some students to begin thinking about their writing requirements and broader academic work earlier in their legal careers. |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 2:27 PM Author: magical address azn a) Having a full curve in a seminar would be brutal. By random chance, you tend to get a pretty good mix of students in most classes. By contrast, I had a seminar in the winter where, out of a group of ~20 students, I was one of about 3 or 4 people not on the law review editorial board.
b) It isn't counter-balanced. For example, last year our 1L choices were American Legal Theory (no lottery in; you had to write a statement of interest and professor picked students) and European Legal History. That means for an extremely popular seminar, like Epstein's Roman Law, our class got one shot against 600 people, whereas your class will get at least 2 shots.
I don't mind 1Ls taking seminars. The grade imbalance is sort of your problem to sort through. But I kind of wish that you got to put in your bids AFTER the 2/3Ls. There are only a handful of extremely popular seminars; most end up as being close to open enrollment. You'd certainly have a chance to take something, just not the 2 or 3 most popular ones.
And BTW, I don't consider this to be a particularly big deal. We're fortunate enough to get to take whatever normal classes we want. The pain of bidding for seminars is something the people at most other schools have to do for every single class. |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 2:36 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin Good points. I also think the importance of the grading differential has been overrated in this thread. The 1L elective is only 7.5% of the 1L overall grade (3/40 credits). If that still sounds significant, think also about the fact that the difference in curves is only about two points (179 vs. 177). Given that the real range in seminar grades is about 15 points, that means that there is only about a 13% difference (2/15) in grades between the two formats. 13% of 7.5% = 1% of your grade POSSIBLY due to seminar grade bump.
Speculating here, but it might even be that seminars could hurt some students. Given that there are fewer students in a seminar, there might be a stronger tendency to cluster toward the mean. Someone who would get a high-B or low-A in a lecture class might get a grade closer to the median in a seminar, since there is not necessarily a low B/C student to balance that. The median being higher counteracts that, but I'm not sure which effect is larger. It's surely not the case that all students just get a +2 point bump - it's more complicated.
In sum, I'm not worried about it. |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 2:54 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison a) Here you seem to be arguing that, since a seminar without a more lenient grading policy would have a stricter grading policy, a more lenient one should be used.
You seem to be saying that seminars tend to attract more gunners, and so a policy which protects non-gunners from being blown out of the water is needed. I'm not sure why this argument wouldn't apply to any class where there might be gunners; I'm also not sure why you couldn't apply it in reverse. Say you have a class or format that attracts slackers -- would you then argue that the curve should be adjusted downard, so that the outlying gunner or two shouldn't be able to attain a grade out of proportion to the requisite effort to earn it?
b) You seem to be saying, here, that there is a qualitative difference between the course offerings in even and odd years. If there is a consistent, systematic difference in the course offerings -- if, for example, odd years just have insanely popular seminars, but even ones are pretty lame -- then I would agree that not allowing 1Ls to enroll in seminars would seem like the fair thing to do. But I don't know why the School would schedule courses this way, or would retain such a scheduling once its disparate impact became clear. This would seem to cause unnecessary administrative difficulties and would result in a general reduction in the quality of education, as students would be forced to choose among the popular seminars, which are offered simultaneously, without being able to spread out their preferred electives.
As for your final point, I agree completely. I may disagree once I embark upon Con Law, however. |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 3:02 PM Author: magical address azn a) I'm not arguing that seminars as a whole attract more slackers or gunners (although certain topics might). I'm just saying that because of the extremely small class size, you tend to, statistically speaking, get less of a broad cross-section of the school. That makes an enforced curve less appropriate.
I don't necessarily want the curve higher or lower. I just think there should be more flexibility to deviate. In practice, that tends to mean higher, but I don't really mind one way or the other. The seminar I was in in the winter almost certainly had an average GPA over 180; in that situation, a forced curve guarantees you're lowering the GPAs of 85% of the class (sometimes drastically with the C requirement).
b) I don't think there is any rhyme or reason to it. I don't even know why the administration picked the specific seminars they did to be open to 1Ls. Originally, Epstein's wasn't an option, but I heard a 1L asked him, and he agreed to open it. |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 2:36 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator "My position is that 1Ls just shouldn't be allowed to choose seminars for their electives."
TITCR |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 1:43 PM Author: magical address azn >>Maybe people at Chicago are just hot for Trade Secrets or Strahilevitz<<
The latter. Strahilevitz is extremely popular. I doubt his grade curve was any different than a standard seminar; seminars almost always have higher grade curves. As 2/3Ls, that isn't really a problem, since everyone pretty much has equal opportunity to take as many seminars as they want. For 1Ls, it is a bigger problem because it messes things up for law review grade-on purposes.
In the case of the easy grader who had got cracked down on because of an XO post, he was well-known around school for giving almost everyone in the class As for doing zero work. In that context, I completely agree with your point. That kind of disparity probably shouldn't be allowed. |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 2:27 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin I have to think the faculty and/or admins have means to bring grading outliers into line, and there doesn't need to be an XOXO post for them to come into play. I mean, are you saying that despite everything that is said in the matters for faculty doc about curve policy, that a prof can get away with wildly deviating, to the point where he is "well-known around school" for it, but that an XoXo post will result in the hammer coming down?
I can see it being a factor, but it's hard for me to see it being a big one, much less the deciding one.
You obviously know more about the specific events than I do, just saying I find it hard to believe and that, if true, it makes me worry about the school's ability to enforce the curve generally. (not that I like the curve that much, but it is important that it be consistent). |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 2:30 PM Author: magical address azn To be completely clear, this was a seminar, not a normal class where the curve applies.
I also share your skepticism, which was the exact line I took with the 2/3Ls who were complaining about the guy who made the post. But the prof did specifically mention XO in class as a reason for the change in policy. |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:08 AM Author: Nubile Maize Property i predict we see at least one of the core classes today (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344020) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 11:09 AM Author: Passionate Masturbator I hope you're right. We know Garnett has turned in crim. No idea about any of the others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344022) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 12:34 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator Quite morning grade-wise. Does this suggest she is inputing a larger class and waiting to release them at once? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344421) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 1:31 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison lol, dude, do you not have a job this summer, or what? Don't you have anything to distract you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344675) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 1:43 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration another ridiculous post by julien (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344714) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 1:14 PM Author: honey-headed abode Space law is up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344599) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 1:14 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin 174 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344600) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 1:15 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator I heard they gave nothing less than 187s in that class :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344603) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 1:55 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration civpro is up (Cox) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344755) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 2:33 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator edit: I removed the original because I was being inappropriately pissy. Thanks to those who pointed this out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344878) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 2:39 PM Author: Nubile Maize Property wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344903) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 2:39 PM Author: magical address azn TITCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8344906) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 3:11 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration does landes have a rep for being a slow grader? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8345056) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 3:12 PM Author: magical address azn Yes. When my roommate took him for law & econ fall 2005, Landes didn't turn in grades until nearly spring break (on a multiple choice test!)
But when I took him Fall 2006, he had his grades in within a couple weeks. |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 4:43 PM Author: pearly gaming laptop therapy *throws glasses* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8345527) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 5:11 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration didnt do well? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8345660) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 5:18 PM Author: pearly gaming laptop therapy no, just pissed its taking so long (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8345676) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 5:44 PM Author: rusted mildly autistic jap base We're coming up on 5 o'clock. Chances they stay late on a beautiful Friday afternoon to punch numbers in a computer? Approximately zero. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8345794) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 5:45 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Maybe they'll come in tomorrow and put some extra hours in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8345802) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 5:49 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration HAHA are you serious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8345815) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 5:51 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Heh I'm not julien d00der, so no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8345826) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 6:30 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration A+ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8345978) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 7:16 AM Author: twinkling sanctuary windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8355571) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 12:01 PM Author: rusted mildly autistic jap base Do you think we'll get all of them today? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356180) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 12:17 PM Author: titillating indian lodge Filip civ pro up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356206) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 12:18 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator Confirmed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356211) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 12:21 PM Author: magical address azn Gnashing of teeth or triumph? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356217) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 12:24 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator We can discuss IRL. I'll email you.
edit: email sent. |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 12:42 PM Author: rusted mildly autistic jap base There's really no reason for me to check grades anymore. No matter how much or how little I work for a class, or how I feel about the exam walking out, I get the same grade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356287) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 12:59 PM Author: twinkling sanctuary windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356326) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 1:08 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator i have a friend who always gets the same grade as well. fortunately for this person the grade is a pretty good one, but the person is still frustrated at the seeming lack of correlation between impression upon leaving the exam and final grade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356349) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 1:08 PM Author: magical address azn The question is whether it is the same good grade, or the same bad grade. That makes a lot of difference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356350) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 1:10 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator btw, any thoughts on the thing I sent you (not civ pro result)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356354) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 1:16 PM Author: magical address azn I'm eating lunch and finishing up my judge list right now. Once I send in my clerkship stuff, I'll take a look.
FWIW, I'm not planning on sending in my application until late tonight. |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 1:19 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator Alright so maybe I should just send it in as-is. I think its fine, and it has to be in today. I'll take one last look after lunch and just send it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356381) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 1:22 PM Author: magical address azn No, I mean, I'm applying for a fellowship and am not going to send that in until late tonight. I can look at your stuff later this afternoon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356390) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 2:44 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator oh ok great. ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356778) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:51 PM Author: rusted mildly autistic jap base Unbelievable. Same grade in crim. I'm not going to complain there though, I thought I had done terribly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357538) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 1:10 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Heh. I now know what not paying a lick of attention nets, in the end (for me, anyway). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8356356) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 3:46 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator Garnett crim up. MTG check email plz. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357048) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 3:49 PM Author: magical address azn Checking it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357058) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:17 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration why can't they just post all the grades at once. This is so annoying (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357357) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:26 PM Author: Buff University Hominid if you look at academic history, there is a grade for criminal law for harcourt but only for winter. i'm guessing this means its the cumulative grade for the course. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357393) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:30 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration holy crap youre right...
that grade can't be right though, i KNOW i didnt do that well |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:38 PM Author: Buff University Hominid that would be pretty cruel if it was wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357468) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:26 PM Author: Buff University Hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357396) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:40 PM Author: Comical headpube rehab does everyone have high grades posted for crim? garnett and harcourt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357481) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:43 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator erm, not me...my crim grade is shockingly low...
edit: I had garnett |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:44 PM Author: Buff University Hominid criminal law - harcourt and epstein posted in spring grades too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357499) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:44 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration crim is a total crapshoot, and a BS subject (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357504) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:49 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin No, about what I expected, give or take a point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357529) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:51 PM Author: rusted mildly autistic jap base Yeah, mine's not high either. But I'm ok with it after feeling like I did walking out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357543) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:54 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin I didn't say it wasn't high - just not higher than I expected ;) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357564) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:56 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration 180 or above? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357572) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:02 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin I'd rather not say, but I'm not getting a call from the prof(s) or anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357609) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:10 PM Author: Motley blood rage Subject: Harcourt/Epstein Are you in H/E? My grade is bizarrely high. I'm generally a slightly-above-median guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357656) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:13 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin I am. My crim grade is right at the median of all my grades this year. I guess I escaped some randomness that hit others. Congrats on your grade - put pour a little out for the guy who expected to get the grade you got and was disappointed. Someday it will be you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357679) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:08 PM Author: Chartreuse meetinghouse My Esptein/Harcourt grade is suspiciously high as well...if they take it away, though, I'm starting a massive suit for IIED and reliance damages. Speaking of which, what's up with Bernstein? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357646) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:10 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin It's 5pm, so I doubt her grades are going out today - if they are even done. This is fucking killing me. I was fine when there were only a couple of grades out, but now that there's only one....I'm going nuts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357657) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:17 PM Author: titillating indian lodge I think it's still backlog in the registrar's office, not late profs. I've heard of one elective whose exams have appeared in the folders in the registrar's office, but the grades still aren't up on cmore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357706) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:29 PM Author: Chartreuse meetinghouse That wouldn't be Landes, would it? The test was half multiple choice...there is no excuse for this delay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357777) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 7:46 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator Do you know if this is Landes? Or do you know which elective this could be? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8358266) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:20 PM Author: Buff University Hominid You also have to remember with harcourt/epstein that what they are looking for could be a bit odd or unusual and you may just have nailed it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357723) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:56 PM Author: charcoal irate crotch heaven Not to add to the stress, but I figure if anyone knows it's the people haunting this thread....how far north of 179.5 is the LR cutoff, typically? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357570) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 5:57 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration does cmore calculate your gpa or do you have to do it yourself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357585) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:00 PM Author: charcoal irate crotch heaven I don't think CMORE does it, or if it does, I don't know where. It's pretty simple to do manually, though. All the courses and their # of credits are on the academic history page. (3 credits/quarter, 4 for LRW). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357600) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:02 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator typically between 179.7 and 179.9... .6 and 180.0 rarely occur, from what I gather...179.8 is usually on the safe side of the borderline, though who really knows...MTG has more info maybe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357611) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:05 PM Author: charcoal irate crotch heaven Yikes. I knew 179.5 wouldn't cut it, but 179.9 or 180.0 is insane. I was hoping .6 or .7 would be enough, otherwise my Ks grade is going to have to be a miracle.
Oh well. |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:07 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin Is this based on anecdotal evidence from 2Ls, or do you have a better source? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357639) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:10 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator The best source would be the actual data, which I think no one has. What I know is what I've heard from 2Ls and 3Ls like MTG, etc. I don't know where they got this information, but it sounds right. Consider that 179 is top 19% and 180.5 is top 4%...179.7-179.8 sounds right to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357660) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:12 PM Author: Buff University Hominid unrelated to law review, does anyone know where grades like a 176 or a 178 approximates in the class rank (unlike 177 and 179 which they tell us)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357671) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:41 PM Author: rusted mildly autistic jap base There's no way to know. I once tried to graph a curve assuming that it was a perfect curve and my best guess (repeat: guess) was that a 178 would be about 60-65 percentile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357876) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:16 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin Somebody that's better than I am at stats can probably shed light on this, but doesn't the variation in cutoff depend on how "clumpy" the grades in a given class year are? If grades are randomly distributed through the class, then the cutoff should be right at whatever grade is top 10% (or whatever the % that get on LR is - I think that's right). Since the distribution is nonrandom, however, you get more complicated results.
What I don't quite grasp is what has to happen to pull the cutoff up or down. I think if there are superstars with really high GPAs, that lowers the cutoff (since there are fewer high grades to go around among the people who remain). Is that right? |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 7:19 PM Author: magical address azn I question the 179 = top 19% claim. For example, this year, 50 people graduated with honors or above. I also know of people from previous years who have been >180 and not gotten Coif (which is top 10%). Although, this year, only 7 people got high/highest honors, so at least that statistic was accurate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8358143) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 7:29 PM Author: Slap-happy House Shitlib can you find out who got honors somewhere on the ls website? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8358195) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 8:11 PM Author: magical address azn No, but I think it is posted up in the school somewhere. They also send out an e-mail to the graduation class, which is where I got the info. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8358378) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 11:01 AM Author: Passionate Masturbator I think that 19% figure is much more accurate for 1L year grades, because (most) 1Ls don't take seminars. I imagine that 179 ends up being about top quarter by the end of 3L year, once everyone's got a few cushy seminar grades in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361152) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 11:17 PM Author: Thriller brindle plaza So did anyone graduate with highest honors this year, and if so, who I(initials is fine)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8364927) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 11:01 AM Author: magical address azn Yes, one person: AK (JD/MBA student). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8367031) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 7:17 PM Author: magical address azn This is basically as accurate as we can get based on purely anecdotal evidence, rumormongering, and wisdom passed down through the classes. Two years ago (the year before me), there was someone with a 179.7 who reported doing the write-on and not getting on, so it was at least higher than that that year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8358133) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 10:39 AM Author: glittery theater internal respiration too high for me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361106) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:09 PM Author: titillating indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357652) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:11 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator Who are you curious about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357667) |
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Date: July 9th, 2007 6:16 PM Author: titillating indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8357690) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 12:08 PM Author: magical address azn ʇsǝʇ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361325) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 12:08 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration huh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361326) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 1:04 PM Author: Slap-happy House Shitlib anyone know what's up with bernstein? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361571) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 1:10 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration or posner? landes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361606) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 2:45 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator Seems like Posner and Landes haven't turned them in huh? Why else would there be no grade for those two today? Anyone around school who took Landes and can confirm whether the elective exam that's been returned to the folders but not yet up on cmore is Trademarks? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362021) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 3:08 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration you mean turned the actual exam into our mail folders? What are you talking about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362125) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 3:11 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator Yeah, that's what someone posted on this thread. Someone posted that one elective's exams are in the folders but the grades aren't up. I wonder if that is TM. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362134) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 3:16 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration interesting. wish i were in chicago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362163) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 3:12 PM Author: rusted mildly autistic jap base I think he means that there is an elective where you can pick up your exam at the registrar's, but the grade isn't up yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362143) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 3:25 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct, see below:
Date: July 9th, 2007 6:17 PM Author: undeniable
I think it's still backlog in the registrar's office, not late profs. I've heard of one elective whose exams have appeared in the folders in the registrar's office, but the grades still aren't up on cmore.
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Date: July 10th, 2007 3:29 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration email the registrar? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362221) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 3:36 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator I know I was pretty worked up last week about the staff shortage there, but I'm well past that point. While I'd like to see my grades, I doubt that emailing them is going to do us a lot of good. I realize you may have been joking about emailing them, but I just wanted to let you all know that I've calmed the f down (relative to before, at least). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362264) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 1:10 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Do you really need to ask?
She's probably reading the exams for the sixth time, by now. |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 1:11 PM Author: Slap-happy House Shitlib Sigh. She's my last hope. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361614) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 1:24 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison That's very, very sad. You could always call her. It's after noon, so I'm sure she'll be awake.
Last hope for what, by the way? LR grade on? OCI viability? |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 1:32 PM Author: Slap-happy House Shitlib Mmmm, saving face? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361693) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 1:34 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Not a good year for you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361700) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 1:34 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration i think that was implied (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361704) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 1:41 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Imply *this*, motherfucker.
Heh, no, I know, mostly. I'm just doing what they call "friendly banter" or "commiseration." Totally normal human interaction, in freeze-dried internet form. |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 1:51 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration what kind of jobs do you think are available for students with 1L gpas in the 177-178 range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361773) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 1:56 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison I'm not qualified to say, as a (former) 1L myself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361790) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 2:00 PM Author: magical address azn Where do you want to work? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361802) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 2:08 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration NYC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361841) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 2:14 PM Author: magical address azn Least grade-sensitive market. You won't be at Wachtell, but I know a guy with a 177.x that turned down a Cravath offer, so not even that is completely unheard of. Unlikely, but not unheard of.
Enjoy choosing from plenty of firms. |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 2:12 PM Author: Mind-boggling fishy hall newt MTG can you send me that OCI chart you sent me once before? You know my email address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361850) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 2:16 PM Author: magical address azn Yeah. I got your message. Just got back from lunch. I'm on it.
BTW, the new one will supposedly be out July 14. |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 2:27 PM Author: Mind-boggling fishy hall newt thanks buddy, appreciate it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361910) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 4:13 PM Author: Sadistic Shivering Area Circlehead Subject: job prospects I don't mean to be a dick, but I have about the same question. Where does a 180.63 get you in Chicago or Washington? Do firms care that much about grades once you're above a threshold?
Again, sorry to post all this, but I know shockingly little about how the law firm job market works and thought strangers on the Internet could help. |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 4:16 PM Author: pearly gaming laptop therapy plz killself, tyia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368470) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 4:32 PM Author: Sadistic Shivering Area Circlehead if it helps, i have no idea how it happened. my karma will probably balance itself out when i get run over by a bus or something next week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368527) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 4:20 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator The answer to your question is everywhere, in every city, all over the world. htfh. congrats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368483) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 4:38 PM Author: magical address azn TITCR.
Your grades will not preclude you from working at any firm. It is all up to interview skills now. |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 4:55 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin At what GPA does this become true? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368618) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 5:35 PM Author: magical address azn For all except Williams & Connolly and Wachtell, my guess is about 179. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368871) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 5:36 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin TY. Maybe Munger also? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368880) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 5:38 PM Author: magical address azn Yeah, I was literally about to add that I don't know anything about the CA market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368891) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 2:14 PM Author: Slap-happy House Shitlib Meh. Median GPA. I've only had one really good grade and I'm hoping K's will deliver another. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8361856) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 3:35 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Well, I hope you used the right font, then. Good luck! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362254) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 4:05 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin 173 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362410) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 4:07 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration are you telling us your grade or rating the post? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362422) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 4:12 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin Rating. Sorry for the confusion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362451) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 4:15 PM Author: Slap-happy House Shitlib And was your rating on an LSAT or U of C law scale? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362478) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 4:16 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration good issue spotting here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8362486) |
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Date: July 12th, 2007 3:34 PM Author: Shimmering Maniacal Den Sadly, I laughed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8373837) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 5:55 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration this sucks i want my grades (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8363039) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 5:58 PM Author: rusted mildly autistic jap base how many are you missing? I only have bernstein left, and one grade isn't going to change anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8363054) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 6:02 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator I think we both have Posner and Landes...hopefully for me those two change something for the better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8363076) |
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Date: July 10th, 2007 6:07 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration yep Posner and Landes as well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8363105) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 10:10 AM Author: twinkling sanctuary windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8366900) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 10:11 AM Author: Passionate Masturbator you didn't ask about posner or landes per chance did you? :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8366908) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 10:15 AM Author: twinkling sanctuary windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8366921) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 10:18 AM Author: Buff University Hominid chances are they will sit on the e posner's grades until bernstein gets hers in. thats so lame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8366929) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 10:22 AM Author: Passionate Masturbator I don't see why they would do that...they put up Cox Civ Pro on Friday, but didn't put up Filip till Monday. Also, it would be interesting to test your proposition by asking 2Ls whether the non-Harcourt crim section last year had to wait in agony along with the Harcourt crim section. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8366937) |
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Date: July 12th, 2007 12:24 PM Author: Histrionic gunner personal credit line Subject: They did. Although I had Harcourt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8372887) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 10:19 AM Author: Buff University Hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8366930) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 10:51 AM Author: Passionate Masturbator thanks for this info! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8367014) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 10:53 AM Author: Buff University Hominid I hope that you are right on posners grades. It seems like he would have turned them in on time and if bernstein doesnt get her grades in by the end of the week, I can see the registrar entering posners. I just hope its sooner rather than later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8367018) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 11:28 AM Author: Passionate Masturbator Same here; as for Landes, we had maybe 70 people in that class, max? He's already turned in the LLM and 3L grades, so there can't be more than 50 to enter...I hope they come up today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8367115) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 1:47 PM Author: titillating indian lodge If turned in and waiting to be entered, any idea why they haven't been yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8367773) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 10:42 AM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Well, she can't be blamed. You see, she has all these personal issues going on that she really shouldn't tell us about, but that have to be described generally in class, which make it impossible for her to read and grade about half the material the other 1L profs have to face in a timely manner. BUT YOU CAN CALL HER AT ANY TIME if you're ever in trouble, like if you need someone to bail you out or something. Oh and DON'T LET IT STRESS YOU OUT OR ANYTHING. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8366983) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 10:44 AM Author: Passionate Masturbator Not even in Bernstein, but I give this 178 (out of 180 LSAT scale). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8366990) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 10:57 AM Author: Slap-happy House Shitlib Thank you for this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8367024) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 3:58 PM Author: jade tattoo i heard about the whole bailing out of jail thing when i was there visiting. sounds like a weird prof. :-/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368399) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 4:04 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Fosho.
Bernstein is part sorority mom from Bizzaro New Jersey, part incompetent but innovative professor. She's part radical feminist and part Epstein acolyte. She's full of promise (and promises), but short on performance.
My sense of the law of contracts, after studying it with her, is that it is a crazy, scary, screaming Medusa. I'm glad that it's over. |
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Date: July 12th, 2007 2:53 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin Anyone have any more info on this? Confirmation that she hasn't turned them in? Anyone talked to her? At what point does this become a problem for LR or OCI? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8373601) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 2:42 PM Author: Buff University Hominid posner's contracts is up under academic history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368041) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 3:13 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator thanks; what a waste of a year...just landes to go now, but it won't get me to where I need to be. I guess I have to consider a different set of jobs now... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368191) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 3:42 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration is your average under 177? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368332) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 3:47 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator I don't want to disclose my numbers, but I do want to say that everyone has his/her own goals, and I've failed to live up to mine, and it changes my career plans. I know I'll get a job at a big firm somewhere and will probably be fine, but I can't help but feel this overwhelming sense of disappointment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368345) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 3:51 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration shutup ur 178 average is good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368359) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 3:54 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison I know how you feel, man; I've had to revise downward, as well. It helps that I went to a crappy undergrad, so I'm used to living with just-above-mediocre. So I'm more disillusioned than disappointed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368375) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 3:56 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator thanks for the support simphear; for the record, that's not my avg. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368385) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 3:59 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Meh; gogo's post wasn't there when I posted. I didn't mean to say that a 178 avg. is "just above mediocre." I think I'd put "mediocre" closer to 174, personally.
Um... hope that's not where you're at... |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 5:03 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator So are the Landes exams just sitting in our folders? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368660) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 5:41 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator Trademarks now up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368909) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 5:43 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin Nice - hope it goes well for you guys that were waiting on that.
Is Bernstein officially the only grade still out there? |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 5:47 PM Author: Buff University Hominid garnett's education law is also missing so far. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368939) |
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Date: July 11th, 2007 5:43 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration wow my highest grade ever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8368922) |
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Date: July 12th, 2007 3:05 PM Author: glittery theater internal respiration what grades do you guys consider to be "good." What would you be happy with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8373654) |
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Date: July 12th, 2007 3:09 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin You're really just asking what percentile of the class we'd be happy to be in (or, more cynically, think we should be in). That's not really all that informative - it doesn't really matter how smart (good at LS exams) we -think- we are. And if the point of your question is to use others' opinions to help you decide how to view your own grades, that's probably not helpful either, since peoples' expectations probably vary widely, especially at this point. If you just want to feel better, find people you know are below median and ask them the same question - but it still won't tell you anything.
The question is, what are YOU happy with (adaptive preferences and all)? |
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Date: July 12th, 2007 3:25 PM Author: Passionate Masturbator I can answer this for myself. I would be happy with a 179+ average. I don't consider a 179 to be a great grade in any given class, but I am happy to walk away with it, especially if I didn't feel great coming out of the exam. If I felt like I dominated the test, and I get a 179, there is some disappointment. I consider anything above 180 (not including it) to be a great grade. That is, of course, my opinion, and Equilibrium is right to point out that you'll get thoughts all across the spectrum depending on who you ask. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8373769) |
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Date: July 12th, 2007 3:27 PM Author: Slap-happy House Shitlib I'll play along. I consider 178 or higher to be good. I'm still okay with a 177 and I'm not going to be depressed with 175-76.
EDIT: I believe js and I have just proven Equilibrium's point.
EDIT2: Further proving Eq's point, I'm a little depressed now. |
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Date: July 13th, 2007 5:28 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin If it helps, my point goes both ways. Being depressed on hearing someone else's higher expectations is just as meaningless as feeling good based on someone else's lower ones.
Getting caught up judging self-worth in relative terms brings out the worst in human nature. |
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Date: July 13th, 2007 2:05 PM Author: twinkling sanctuary windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8378667) |
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Date: July 13th, 2007 5:20 PM Author: Slap-happy House Shitlib Any more info? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8379597) |
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Date: July 16th, 2007 11:42 AM Author: disrespectful location cuckold Seriously, PN & AW, let's put this Bernstein saga to rest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8391535) |
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Date: July 16th, 2007 1:10 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin Bernstein is up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8391861) |
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Date: July 16th, 2007 1:28 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Confirmed. Lowest grade of the year, for me. Thus concludes the most irrational class I have ever taken.
Really, her grading is the only grading I don't trust. I'm going to go back and see if she crossed out half my exam or something. |
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Date: July 16th, 2007 1:33 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin Sorry, dude. I have heard of people being victims of arithmetic errors on her exams, so you should double check your exam when it's available. I also came in a couple points lower than I had hoped, but the grade is the same I got in 3 other classes this quarter, so it's more likely that I overestimated my performance and am just a grade 1xx student than that she made any mistakes or graded capriciously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8391932) |
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Date: July 16th, 2007 2:00 PM Author: odious blue toilet seat garrison Thanks. It works out, in the end, thankfully. My performance has been so crazily random that my average sits, rather obstinately, at a point where I don't need to feel like my life is over.
I'll be sure to double-check the exam. I suspect that she crossed off my last page because she may (incorrectly) have believed it to be beyond the length limit. Like I said, she's the only prof whose grades I wouldn't trust. |
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Date: July 16th, 2007 2:01 PM Author: Buff University Hominid i suspect that if bernstein teaches corporations she will not be incredibly popular (based on what I have heard eithers say, I did not have her class). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8392020) |
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Date: July 16th, 2007 2:05 PM Author: appetizing sooty cumskin I wouldn't take her again for a large class, but I will probably take her seminar. I don't think she's a bad prof at all - just weird. I think I have a higher opinion of her than most, though - I know some people had serious problems with her. I think you are right that she wouldn't be popular, especially if Henderson is teaching a section as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8392032) |
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Date: July 16th, 2007 1:52 PM Author: Buff University Hominid Subject: education law education law is up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=652183&forum_id=2#8391997) |