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Puce laughsome bawdyhouse
  05/06/08
sounds about right.
Beady-eyed Lodge Striped Hyena
  05/06/08
While you are generally right about Columbia, you should be ...
Razzle-dazzle Buck-toothed Locale Voyeur
  05/06/08
Then Columbia should include GS numbers in their stats. The...
spectacular mental disorder temple
  05/06/08
"They are not one in the same." "One AND t...
maniacal hall people who are hurt
  05/07/08
You forgot to mention Columbia's harlem location.
bistre autistic theater stage mediation
  05/06/08
Wow Columbia Guy, your post has so many references to "...
Flirting Indian Lodge
  05/06/08
Jews, gays, and Asians???
Sable menage reading party
  05/07/08
Harvard is also overated
Cobalt Set Legend
  05/07/08
the OP is very clearly asian, a Columbia SEAS student, HYPSM...
Sooty diverse base
  05/07/08
nice straw man, assfuck
Razzle-dazzle Buck-toothed Locale Voyeur
  05/07/08
to be fair, most urban planning schools have high acceptance...
brass son of senegal
  05/13/08
not at all
stubborn forum haunted graveyard
  05/21/08
your life
boyish cocky scourge upon the earth
  05/12/08
Maybe even Harvard is somewhat overrated. People tend to dwe...
hilarious submissive office trust fund
  05/13/08
is this rant against the ugrad programs alone or the entire ...
cruel-hearted light dopamine gaming laptop
  05/14/08
. . . a top 5 med school and a top 10 law school, not to men...
Angry Useless Brakes
  05/14/08
and vanderbilt's med school is fairly good...the OP is start...
cruel-hearted light dopamine gaming laptop
  05/14/08
what do you look like?
Mustard stirring site twinkling uncleanness
  05/06/08
horrible anti-penn state trolling
motley unhinged cruise ship
  05/06/08
Super (Trader) Idiot
Flirting Indian Lodge
  05/06/08
I live in the city you dope.
bistre autistic theater stage mediation
  05/21/08
lmfao
Thriller Salmon Address Athletic Conference
  05/06/08
the OP is very clearly asian, a Columbia SEAS student, HYPSM...
Sooty diverse base
  05/06/08
if anything, cornell is underrated overrated schools incl...
Lavender Box Office Stain
  05/06/08
Cornell is appropriately rated in USNews but overrated by vi...
alcoholic floppy parlour
  05/06/08
arts and sciences is uber elite
Lavender Box Office Stain
  05/06/08
Harvard Design school, 80%?
coral hell
  05/07/08
Have you ever met KSG, Harvard Divinity, Design, Education, ...
Cobalt Set Legend
  05/08/08
take out Cornell and Chicago (Cornell gets shit on, it can't...
Drab garrison wrinkle
  05/08/08
i would drop schools like michigan, berkeley, chicago from t...
razzmatazz swollen personal credit line theatre
  05/13/08
aside from a/w/s they top 20 lacs are not terribly selective...
brass son of senegal
  05/13/08
Pomona and Harvey Mudd are more selective than a/w/s
Swashbuckling Indigo Stag Film
  05/13/08
who cares, point still stands. the top lac's aren't even fa...
brass son of senegal
  05/13/08
The fact that they are overrated is indicated by what people...
Swashbuckling Indigo Stag Film
  05/13/08
titcr
razzmatazz swollen personal credit line theatre
  05/13/08
at top schools you also get a really good network and good e...
brass son of senegal
  05/14/08
Remove your head from your ass
aphrodisiac lake old irish cottage piazza
  05/13/08
GO SUCK WHITE COCKS, BITCH
Chartreuse Provocative Public Bath Mexican
  05/13/08
right because 1) all of our time should be spent on worthwh...
Drab garrison wrinkle
  05/14/08
Michigan isn't ranked very high and it's not clear who below...
razzle plum property
  05/14/08
When NYU has a more selective student body, and is ranked 10...
awkward cracking immigrant
  05/15/08
Why are you hedging? If being less selective in aggregate me...
razzle plum property
  05/15/08
No, not necessarily. I'm not saying NYu should be ranked hi...
awkward cracking immigrant
  05/15/08
Circling around my point. As you say, rankings are a combina...
razzle plum property
  05/15/08
First, how can you claim that Michigan is under-rated becaus...
awkward cracking immigrant
  05/15/08
I rank schools on what the degree provides to the recipient....
razzle plum property
  05/16/08
Meh, I personally don't think so. I think schools below it,...
awkward cracking immigrant
  05/16/08
If they have a lower reputation score than the degree can be...
razzle plum property
  05/16/08
Yes, it can be "presumed." I've already pointed...
awkward cracking immigrant
  05/16/08
Your arguments make zero sense.
bistre autistic theater stage mediation
  05/21/08
you are probably the first alum i've met in my life, who has...
Beady-eyed Lodge Striped Hyena
  05/16/08
Meh... I really wanted to not respond to this...... "...
awkward cracking immigrant
  05/17/08
nyu doens't have a more selective student body.
Beady-eyed Lodge Striped Hyena
  05/15/08
In terms of SAT scores and admissions %. I do believe, howe...
awkward cracking immigrant
  05/15/08
i don't actually believe that you are a Michigan Alum.
Beady-eyed Lodge Striped Hyena
  05/16/08
I was a science major. Lived on Central Campus (my moniker ...
awkward cracking immigrant
  05/16/08
what science would require you to be on north campus? I'm so...
Beady-eyed Lodge Striped Hyena
  05/16/08
Hrm, a bunch of my CS classes were up there back in the day,...
awkward cracking immigrant
  05/16/08
i don't quite understand how tufts is a shithole.
sapphire persian jewess
  05/15/08
It just is
Fluffy Karate
  05/15/08
titcr
razzmatazz swollen personal credit line theatre
  05/15/08
you seem wanting in reasoning capacity. no offense.
sapphire persian jewess
  05/15/08
it really is, you stupid faggot
arousing umber shrine
  05/21/08
somehow that isn't convincing.
sapphire persian jewess
  05/22/08
possibly partially totally correct
stubborn forum haunted graveyard
  05/21/08
Actually, I do take offense to labeling Emory and Tufts &quo...
aphrodisiac lake old irish cottage piazza
  05/23/08
Actually, I do take offense to labeling Emory and Tufts &quo...
aphrodisiac lake old irish cottage piazza
  05/23/08
notice that they don't list a single reason to support their...
sapphire persian jewess
  05/23/08


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Date: May 6th, 2008 11:32 AM
Author: Puce laughsome bawdyhouse
Subject: Official List

1. Washington University in St. Louis - Med school is all that keeps it afloat. That and its "grassroots" marketing ploy which has snared the tools of tomorrow. The post-grad job opportunities are atrocious when compared to any institution bar Penn State (or any #50 and below ranked college).

2. Emory - Coca Cola and Med school allows this JAP toolish ugly shithole to miraculously stay above top 30. Basically another shitty clone of WashU in that its only redeeming factor lies in med and that it too has shitty job opportunities with a shitty business school (Olin and Guizetta are probably no better than a business degree from Baruch or a SUNY/CUNY).

3. Vanderbilt - Hot girls, a decent but not quite good enough law school, and its convenient location in the South where few understand the meaning of the word "education" grants this TTT its overrated ranking. If you're not in the law school, you better hope that whore you're fucking is worth some money in a divorce. After all, you should get something from contracting all those STIs.

4. NYU - Enough fags for a frenchman. Tisch and its graduate programs are what save this festering TTT. The location is a draw for rejects everywhere and even Stern's toolish 75% asian population is overrated and can't find a decent job in the past few years. Competes regularly with Stuy High School and Thomas Jefferson High School for applications (transfers) to Top 25s.

5. Notre Dame - Shitty Catholic-run dinosaur only good for football and consequently, a movie named "Rudy". The name itself may sound prestigious, but is good for nothing upon closer analysis.

6. Berkeley - Fabulous grad programs but an overcrowded and shitty ugrad. Huge numbers of community college transfers riddle this school system with class signups that would make any student want to kill themselves. Though engineering ugrad is respectable, any other "fluffball" major is as good as the applicants they let in; community college quality.

7. Umich Ann Arbor - Should be below the likes of UNC and William and Mary. This shitthole's graduate programs are similarily what keeps it afloat. The Ugrad engineerng and bschool are overrated along with the overall school's shitty white trash. With colleges getting harder to get into, this shithole luckily still has over a 50% acceptance rate and will probably suck your cock along with it.

8. Cornell - An "ok" engineering program along with Ivy status do not cover up this TTTs overratedness. The education sucks, the location sucks, the people suck, and the jobs suck.

9. Upenn - Business school and Ivy status make up for its mediocre status in other areas.

10. Uchicago - Economics is not everything. Any fag that hires a professional essay writer and a SAT prep course/tutor will be allowed entrance even with a shitty GPA or no extra curriculars.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9741948)





Date: May 6th, 2008 11:42 AM
Author: Beady-eyed Lodge Striped Hyena
Subject: sounds about right.

but to continue this discussion...

i also nominate Columbia:

10. Columbia: HYP reject school, if weren't for its location in NYC, it would be a Upenn. Piss poor excuse of an engineering school, school of general studies/continuing education/teachers college, and on top of the eroding factors from the above mentioned TTT colleges, Barnard people also get a Columbia diploma. What do you have to do to not get a Columbia diploma?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9742005)





Date: May 6th, 2008 12:25 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Buck-toothed Locale Voyeur

While you are generally right about Columbia, you should be careful when talking about general studies/continuing ed. They are not one in the same.

General Studies is a legitimate undergraduate division of Columbia, along with the college, SEAS, and arguably Barnard. From my understanding, you essentially cannot transfer into Columbia College if you're more than one year out of high school (which is 90% of the transfers that Columbia attracts, many of whom are former military personnel who are just as qualified as the CC students to be there but who aren't eligible because they've been out of high school more than a year).

School of Continuing Ed is a different story. It's a typical, unselective cash cow division offering degrees in things like "real estate brokerage" and "nonprofit leadership." GS, on the other hand, is a selective undergraduate division of the university.

But the rest of your point still stands.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9742158)





Date: May 6th, 2008 4:20 PM
Author: spectacular mental disorder temple

Then Columbia should include GS numbers in their stats. The GS program is extremely large compared to the ones at other schools, and has an admit rate around 50%, and includes anyone who takes a year off after high school and applies to Columbia looking to backdoor in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9743432)





Date: May 7th, 2008 12:01 AM
Author: maniacal hall people who are hurt

"They are not one in the same."

"One AND the same" is the term. Think about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9745899)





Date: May 6th, 2008 12:28 PM
Author: bistre autistic theater stage mediation
Subject: You forgot to mention Columbia's harlem location.

Hth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9742172)





Date: May 6th, 2008 10:10 PM
Author: Flirting Indian Lodge

Wow Columbia Guy, your post has so many references to "shitholes" and sucking, as well as hateful rants against Jews, gays, and Asians. Are you sure you are not a Nazi? Maybe you need to visit the Columbia health clinic and get some help.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9745167)





Date: May 7th, 2008 1:56 PM
Author: Sable menage reading party
Subject: Jews, gays, and Asians???

Lol, forget the health clinic, maybe he should visit the Columbia campus itself sometime! Certainly not the place to be if you have anything against jews, gays, and asians.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9748882)





Date: May 7th, 2008 1:22 PM
Author: Cobalt Set Legend
Subject: Harvard is also overated

Harvard extension has 100 % admit rate and its graduates receive harvard degree with reading/skills of community college dropouts.

Harvard graduate schools like Design school(80% admit rates), Kennedy School, Education School, Divinity School graduates' intellegence levels similar to BU gradutates.

These programs are full of rejects from PhD JD MD MBA programs. Most Idiot-like Harvard graduate are from one of these programs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9748711)





Date: May 7th, 2008 2:48 PM
Author: Sooty diverse base

the OP is very clearly asian, a Columbia SEAS student, HYPSM reject, and a faggot with a tiny pink dick

hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9749164)





Date: May 7th, 2008 7:30 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Buck-toothed Locale Voyeur

nice straw man, assfuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9750578)





Date: May 13th, 2008 5:22 AM
Author: brass son of senegal

to be fair, most urban planning schools have high acceptance rates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9776185)





Date: May 21st, 2008 4:36 PM
Author: stubborn forum haunted graveyard

not at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9813496)





Date: May 12th, 2008 1:52 PM
Author: boyish cocky scourge upon the earth
Subject: your life

Wow, what a well researched and simultaneously pointless post. Maybe if you applied yourself like this in life you could one day be middle management in a large corporation and blow your brains out after you realize your life is pointless when you find out you are completely replaceable, your second wife denies you visitation, and that hooker had herpes.

But hey, what do I know, I go to NYU...and I'm pretty sure it should be no. 1 on this list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9772191)





Date: May 13th, 2008 6:58 PM
Author: hilarious submissive office trust fund

Maybe even Harvard is somewhat overrated. People tend to dwell on the past and thus still see Harvard is the best. New schools have arisen like Stanford, which dominates Harvard in engineering.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9779266)





Date: May 14th, 2008 3:59 PM
Author: cruel-hearted light dopamine gaming laptop

is this rant against the ugrad programs alone or the entire universities??

i thought penn also has a pretty good med school and a decent law school...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9783767)





Date: May 14th, 2008 4:27 PM
Author: Angry Useless Brakes

. . . a top 5 med school and a top 10 law school, not to mention a bunch of liberal arts departments ranked in the top 10 or top 20.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9783900)





Date: May 14th, 2008 4:04 PM
Author: cruel-hearted light dopamine gaming laptop

and vanderbilt's med school is fairly good...the OP is starting to seem like a genuinely bitter faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9783788)





Date: May 6th, 2008 2:03 PM
Author: Mustard stirring site twinkling uncleanness

what do you look like?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9742563)





Date: May 6th, 2008 3:07 PM
Author: motley unhinged cruise ship

horrible anti-penn state trolling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9742913)





Date: May 6th, 2008 3:35 PM
Author: Flirting Indian Lodge
Subject: Super (Trader) Idiot

Gee Wiz Mr. SuperTrader, with all your money you don´t seem to venture out of the suburbs too much. Harlem is actually a cool part of town, if you´re not a white, narrow-minded house wife.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9743153)





Date: May 21st, 2008 4:34 PM
Author: bistre autistic theater stage mediation
Subject: I live in the city you dope.

No, Harlem really isn't that cool, though I do like Dinosuar BBQ up there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9813494)





Date: May 6th, 2008 3:45 PM
Author: Thriller Salmon Address Athletic Conference

lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9743232)





Date: May 6th, 2008 5:13 PM
Author: Sooty diverse base

the OP is very clearly asian, a Columbia SEAS student, HYPSM reject, and a faggot with a tiny pink dick

hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9743668)





Date: May 6th, 2008 8:57 PM
Author: Lavender Box Office Stain

if anything, cornell is underrated

overrated schools include columbia, duke, wustl, chicago,emory,and notre dame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9744751)





Date: May 6th, 2008 10:02 PM
Author: alcoholic floppy parlour

Cornell is appropriately rated in USNews but overrated by virtue of its athletic conference affiliation. Engineering and basic sciences are good, arts/science is ok, and the rest is mediocre state school fare.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9745113)





Date: May 6th, 2008 10:32 PM
Author: Lavender Box Office Stain

arts and sciences is uber elite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9745326)





Date: May 7th, 2008 6:54 PM
Author: coral hell
Subject: Harvard Design school, 80%?

Why the hate toward KSG? BU caliber students?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9750421)





Date: May 8th, 2008 9:41 AM
Author: Cobalt Set Legend

Have you ever met KSG, Harvard Divinity, Design, Education, Extension students ?

They are total Idiots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9754441)





Date: May 8th, 2008 7:23 AM
Author: Drab garrison wrinkle

take out Cornell and Chicago (Cornell gets shit on, it can't be "overrated" and Chicago is a bit overrated, but certianly not "top 10")

and include Columbia and DUKE

how can you leave out DUKE

and I would agree wholeheartedly, the hateful rant and all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9754264)





Date: May 13th, 2008 4:16 AM
Author: razzmatazz swollen personal credit line theatre

i would drop schools like michigan, berkeley, chicago from this list and instead would include most of the "top" LACs. those are the truly overrated educational institutions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9775985)





Date: May 13th, 2008 5:24 AM
Author: brass son of senegal

aside from a/w/s they top 20 lacs are not terribly selective and offer a bundle of resources once you arrive there. what's overrated?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9776191)





Date: May 13th, 2008 7:05 AM
Author: Swashbuckling Indigo Stag Film

Pomona and Harvey Mudd are more selective than a/w/s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9776385)





Date: May 13th, 2008 7:18 AM
Author: brass son of senegal

who cares, point still stands. the top lac's aren't even famous so they can't be 'overrated.'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9776421)





Date: May 13th, 2008 5:51 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Indigo Stag Film

The fact that they are overrated is indicated by what people are willing to pay for them - 40k a year to get tough competition for grades that have relatively little inflation (at Williams, Swarthmore etc.), and not even Ivy prestige or financial aid, all for a little touchy-feely bonding bull**** and a few smaller introductory classes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9778945)





Date: May 13th, 2008 8:01 PM
Author: razzmatazz swollen personal credit line theatre

titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9779516)





Date: May 14th, 2008 4:26 AM
Author: brass son of senegal

at top schools you also get a really good network and good elite firm recruitment - even 'lesser' lac's will be considered before large state schools for immediate post-BA jobs. in dc also going to a top lac will take you farther than having gone to southwestern ohio state (if we're talking about just with a bachelors).

but with the influx of people going to college (read: the rise of state schools) this all might change in the next 10 years. still though, youre right that full sticker price is something that should make you think twice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9781691)





Date: May 13th, 2008 11:18 PM
Author: aphrodisiac lake old irish cottage piazza
Subject: Remove your head from your ass

Wow, you people are not only clearly full of yourselves and your “accomplishments” but exude pretentiousness with every word. Seriously, do you think that this subject is really worth the time you spend on it in relation to a host of other more worthwhile intellectual endeavors? Why must you continue to dwell on the crapshoot that is the college admissions process, thereby restricting the focus of your energies for discussions fit for those hallowed halls you romanticize and glorify? If you cannot recognize the beauty of God's creation outside of the brick and mortar buildings of "HYPSM" and consider such institutions as Columbia and Duke to be second rate and not worthy of one's attention, I pity you. I mourn for you. I pray that one day, you might be able to turn the keen wits that you have honed here cajoling one another on the merits and possibilities of collegiate hopefuls to more laudable endeavors. Bless you, for your minds are going to such waste.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9780313)





Date: May 13th, 2008 11:43 PM
Author: Chartreuse Provocative Public Bath Mexican

GO SUCK WHITE COCKS, BITCH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9780461)





Date: May 14th, 2008 6:52 AM
Author: Drab garrison wrinkle

right because

1) all of our time should be spent on worthwhile intellectual endeavors. what a striver, Northwestern, resume padding, job hunting thing to say (with all due respect to the school). This is actually kinda fun, it's like discussing politics. It really has no bearing whatsoever on our personal lives nor, like, welfare of the world, but we're discussing the world around us (whether it be nation-states or universities), advancing our opinions and listening to those of others (and very often ignoring/ridiculing them).

2) anywhere in my post I said Columbia and Duke were "second rate". They're almost first rate schools, only that their rank (Duke gets a regional boost, kinda like Stanford, just to a much bigger degree) and their status among applicants (read: laymen, as their application numbers with respect to admission rate and freshmen avg SAT numbers indicate)

Dude, Michigan's a fine school, so's Berkeley. They're just not that all they're cracked up to be.

Now, Tufts or Emory, that's a second-rate school right there (not to mentioned overrated as hell). If you were to take offense to me calling Tufts and Emory shitholes, I'd really have nothing to say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9781919)





Date: May 14th, 2008 11:11 PM
Author: razzle plum property

Michigan isn't ranked very high and it's not clear who below them deserves to be higher. If anything, Michigan is underrated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9785658)





Date: May 15th, 2008 12:23 AM
Author: awkward cracking immigrant

When NYU has a more selective student body, and is ranked 10 spots lower, I think you are facing a losing battle there (not that i'm saying that NYU should be ranked higher than Michigan, i'm just saying that its less selective than schools ranked 10+ spots lower than it, which probably means that its certainly not underrated. In fact, it probably shows that it is indeed overrated....)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9786049)





Date: May 15th, 2008 10:21 AM
Author: razzle plum property

Why are you hedging? If being less selective in aggregate means they are a lesser school, say so, otherwise it's one data point and not proof of anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9787431)





Date: May 15th, 2008 11:44 AM
Author: awkward cracking immigrant

No, not necessarily. I'm not saying NYu should be ranked higher than Michigan (Michigan's reputation scores are probably MUCH higher) I'm saying that its ridiculous to think that Michigan is under-rated when its selectivity is so low compared to schools lower than it (and you can look at schools besides NYU too).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9787781)





Date: May 15th, 2008 7:51 PM
Author: razzle plum property

Circling around my point. As you say, rankings are a combination of factors. Why is the USNWR weighing presumed correct, or particuarly, why is selectivity disproportionately important? Michigan loses to NYU in this or that factor but does better in others. If something Michigan was better in became more favored in the relatively arbitrary US News formula, Michigan would be higher rated than it is now. Without having the data in front of me, reputation scores are probably great grounds for a "Michigan is underrated" possibility.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9789990)





Date: May 15th, 2008 8:14 PM
Author: awkward cracking immigrant

First, how can you claim that Michigan is under-rated because of reputation scores when pointing to the same "arbitrary formula" than I am with regards to selectivity? In your own words, "why would reputation scores be more important than the weight its already given"?

Second, to respond to your point, Michigan's high ranking is a by-product of its past and its high ranking graduate schools. A school's "reputation" can be inflated if other schools affiliated with it are ranked much higher. Another point is, that Michigan used to be a perennial top 10 undergraduate institution in the 1980's. The "high score" of its reputation could be a reflection of the school it "used to be"- not what it is right now. So in essence, the reputation scores are being inflated by the past, which are likely to decrease in the future, leaving me to think that Michigan is currently overrated. NYU is not a better school, FYI, but I do think, even as a Michigan alumn, that it is overrated by usnews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9790075)





Date: May 16th, 2008 1:32 PM
Author: razzle plum property

I rank schools on what the degree provides to the recipient. (iow, reputation score. The student body might forecast a drop in degree value, but that's in the future, not now.)

Which schools below Michigan bestow a more impressive degree than Michigan's? Michigan is better than the schools immediately below it: USC, UNC-Chapel Hill, Tufts, Lehigh.

Michigan is a better school than Notre Dame, better school than Emory, maybe better but at least equal to Vanderbilt. Maybe better than WUSTL even.

Seems that there is a decent chance that Michigan will reduce their quotas on in-state students as the State continues to cut funding, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9792681)





Date: May 16th, 2008 3:51 PM
Author: awkward cracking immigrant

Meh, I personally don't think so. I think schools below it, like USC, UNC, and Tufts (though not Lehigh) provide an equally impressive degree. I definitely don't think Michigan is a "better school" in terms of the impressiveness of the degree than Notre Dame or Emory. And its certainly not in the same league as Vandy or WUSTL (at least for undergrad).

So basically, what you are arguing then, goes back to square one- "a school is underrated or overrated" because thats my opinion. And well, you are certainly entitled to your own opinion.

Also, you Michigan can't reduce in-stat quotas based on how much funding the state gives. For example, Michigan and Virginia law recieve 2% and 0% funding respectively from the state. They still have 20% in-state quotas.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9793257)





Date: May 16th, 2008 4:16 PM
Author: razzle plum property

If they have a lower reputation score than the degree can be presumed to be less impressive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9793354)





Date: May 16th, 2008 4:34 PM
Author: awkward cracking immigrant

Yes, it can be "presumed."

I've already pointed out several reasons why the reputation score of Michigan is inflated with respect to its "real value" today.

Anyway, I don't want to disparage Michigan anymore. I have no idea how you managed to do it, but somehow you managed to place my desire to always be right, higher than my regard for my alma mater. I just started with a response saying, I don't think Michigan is under-rated, and now its turned into this whole thing with me insulting it, when I never wanted to do so in the first place.....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9793409)





Date: May 21st, 2008 4:32 PM
Author: bistre autistic theater stage mediation
Subject: Your arguments make zero sense.

Impressive degree? You are essentially saying that a Mich. is impressive, becuase it's impressive. Why is it better than all those schools? The students there certainly aren't.

The USNWR "rep score" is the biggest BS ever. Student quality is the only thing that should matter. In this regard, UMich is dismal relative to its rank. Schools ranked below it like NYU, USC and BC have better student bodies. When it comes to rep scores, UM is overrated because of its grad schools and a past reputation as an ivy for the working class. How else can a school with a 50%+ acceptance rate be so high in the rankings?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9813483)





Date: May 16th, 2008 11:10 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Lodge Striped Hyena

you are probably the first alum i've met in my life, who has ever thought michigan is currently overrated... maybe you are not and you are just trolling...

All school reputations are influenced by graduate programs, by your definition, Harvard and Stanford are both living off the name of their graduate schools, yet no one questions them as two of the best undergraduate schools.

Also, its' laughable that if Michigan was a perennial top 10 undergrad school in the 80s, that it isn't also one today. What has changed all these years? Student quality has gone up, endowment went up more than any other school in the same time period. Michigan's PA score has never changed much, it's always around a 4.5 since the survey was created. I'll tell you why you think this way--> USNEWS. USNEWS in the 80s ranked Universities by PA scores alone, but starting in the 90s, they started inputting other factors, so the Michigan has always been the same, it's your perception that has changed, which also explain why schools like WUSTL is now ranked in the top 15, what a fuckin joke.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9794800)





Date: May 17th, 2008 10:00 AM
Author: awkward cracking immigrant

Meh... I really wanted to not respond to this......

"All school reputations are influenced by graduate programs, by your definition, Harvard and Stanford are both living off the name of their graduate schools, yet no one questions them as two of the best undergraduate schools."

The difference is that Harvard/Stanford graduate programs are also top 5, like their undergraduate programs- nobody is living off the name of the other. When you think of academic dominance of Michigan, you don't think about the undergraduate program, you think about the graduate program which is pretty much top 10 in every category. I don't think even you can deny that the graduate programs at Michigan are significantly better than the undergraduate program (and hence the feeder effect). You can't really say that Harvard/Stanford undergraduate is worse than its graduate programs.

"Also, its' laughable that if Michigan was a perennial top 10 undergrad school in the 80s, that it isn't also one today. What has changed all these years? Student quality has gone up, endowment went up more than any other school in the same time period. Michigan's PA score has never changed much, it's always around a 4.5 since the survey was created. I'll tell you why you think this way--> USNEWS. USNEWS in the 80s ranked Universities by PA scores alone, but starting in the 90s, they started inputting other factors, so the Michigan has always been the same, it's your perception that has changed, which also explain why schools like WUSTL is now ranked in the top 15, what a fuckin joke."

First off, WUSTL in the top 15 is a joke (i'll agree with you there). And yes, USnews definitely changes perceptions of schools. But even though Michigan may be the same school as it was in the 80's, perception's change, often times for no good reason (sometimes attributed for USnews) other than an increasing snobbery against state schools, and a newfound desire to go to school in a city(i'm not saying thats the case, i'm just throwing out as an example). After all, people and society change. But even if Michigan is still the same school does not mean that it is (or should) be as highly regarded/ranked as it used to be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9795862)





Date: May 15th, 2008 10:54 AM
Author: Beady-eyed Lodge Striped Hyena

nyu doens't have a more selective student body.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9787544)





Date: May 15th, 2008 11:38 AM
Author: awkward cracking immigrant

In terms of SAT scores and admissions %. I do believe, however, that Michigan has a slightly higher average entering GPA, but based on the fact that east coast high schools are probably more rigorous than midwest high schools, I think the only good indicator is the SAT. In that case, at least for the last couple of years, NYU has done better than Michigan.

Regardless, I went to both. I'm probably the least biased out of anyone. Though, I will say, without a doubt that I had a lot more fun at Michigan than NYU- a lot more going on and a much better atmosphere. In terms of average quality of student, NYU had Michigan beat (at least anecdotally). Though, the top 2-3% of Michigan students were better than the top 2-3% of NYU students (probably becuase Michigan is able to pull in-state top students away from top ivies, whereas NYU is not).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9787745)





Date: May 16th, 2008 12:48 AM
Author: Beady-eyed Lodge Striped Hyena
Subject: i don't actually believe that you are a Michigan Alum.

Michigan does not superscore the SAT score, which should add at least 30 points to the average. (1320+30=1350)

East Coast high schools more rigorous? I laughed, did you ever check out what most public schools in new york city are actually like?

I'm curious, what did you study at Michigan?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9791031)





Date: May 16th, 2008 10:59 AM
Author: awkward cracking immigrant

I was a science major. Lived on Central Campus (my moniker is named after my favorite fast food place right on state street, but I heard it recently closed down and became some sort of hot dog/burger joint), but used the bus to get to north campus. Also, is big ten burrito still around (it was like two stores down from Mr. Tubbys)? It's 10x better than chipotle.

Also, most kids don't get into Michigan or NYU from "average" public schools. Though, i'd wager that NYC public schools are better than Detroit public schools, anyway. There is a much higher conglomeration of stronger/more competitive schools on the east coast than in the midwest, I don't think thats debatable. The best you've got is Cranbrook.

With regards to your "super-scoring"- it's highly suspect. First, how do you know other schools don't do the same, and how do you know thats the same data that they reported to usnews (and finally, how do you know that Michigan doesn't super score)? Just because a school does not superscore for the purposes of admission, does not mean that they don't do it later on for purposes of reporting. The fact is, all of that is accounted for when sending in your info to usnews.

Anyway, i'm not going to get into this spat. I've had enough of these conversations when I was actually at Mich. In my observation, the average NYU student is definitely smarter than the average Michigan student. The top Michigan students are better than the top NYU students.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9792021)





Date: May 16th, 2008 3:41 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Lodge Striped Hyena

what science would require you to be on north campus? I'm sorry, but I was an engineering major at Michigan, and I never had a single science class on north campus. BTB is still around...

Cranbrook is definitely not the best high schools in Michigan, I'm from new york city and went to one of the best private schools in nyc, on average the people going to Michigan are smarter than those going to NYU.

71% of Michigan students were among the top 5% in high school, also in the Harvard Business School internal system, Michigan Undergraduates rank as the #11 feeder to HBS. I don't belive NYU can say the same. I guess we'll just agree to disagree on this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9793204)





Date: May 16th, 2008 3:55 PM
Author: awkward cracking immigrant

Hrm, a bunch of my CS classes were up there back in the day, I believe.

I was also under the impression that Cranbook was, by far and away, the best high school in Michigan. Though, a lot of the people I knew were from Cranbrook, and thats what they claimed, so they may be biased.

Anyway, I'd just like to point out Michigan is going to be a top feeder school for any good program in the country. Its a solid top 30 school with an *incredibly large* student population (many of whom are incredibly interested in business because of Ross Undergrad program). In terms of pure numbers, of course its going to be one of the top feeders for an any elite program..... they probably place more people than a smaller top school like Amherst or Dartmouth.

But yes, agree to disagree.......

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9793278)





Date: May 15th, 2008 12:31 AM
Author: sapphire persian jewess

i don't quite understand how tufts is a shithole.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9786096)





Date: May 15th, 2008 9:53 AM
Author: Fluffy Karate

It just is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9787337)





Date: May 15th, 2008 3:18 PM
Author: razzmatazz swollen personal credit line theatre

titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9788899)





Date: May 15th, 2008 6:17 PM
Author: sapphire persian jewess

you seem wanting in reasoning capacity.

no offense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9789636)





Date: May 21st, 2008 11:27 PM
Author: arousing umber shrine

it really is, you stupid faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9814963)





Date: May 22nd, 2008 1:06 AM
Author: sapphire persian jewess

somehow that isn't convincing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9815274)





Date: May 21st, 2008 11:38 PM
Author: stubborn forum haunted graveyard

possibly partially totally correct

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9814985)





Date: May 23rd, 2008 12:37 AM
Author: aphrodisiac lake old irish cottage piazza

Actually, I do take offense to labeling Emory and Tufts "shitholes", because for the many brillant people who strive to attend those schools, it is an elitist insult to say they second-rate. I will leave it at that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9819014)





Date: May 23rd, 2008 12:39 AM
Author: aphrodisiac lake old irish cottage piazza

Actually, I do take offense to labeling Emory and Tufts "shitholes", because for the many brilliant people who strive to attend those schools, it is an elitist insult to say they second-rate. I will leave it at that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9819018)





Date: May 23rd, 2008 2:51 AM
Author: sapphire persian jewess

notice that they don't list a single reason to support their claims. a little suspicious, i'd say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=809567&forum_id=1#9819401)