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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
yapping vengeful institution mad-dog skullcap
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
Self-centered Dark Place Of Business
  05/29/25
(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
Lavender hospital new version
  05/29/25
They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
Self-centered Dark Place Of Business
  05/29/25
read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the P...
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Magenta Titillating Clown Coffee Pot
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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  05/29/25
cq
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I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on ju...
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  06/03/25
teen black death survivors were the original Boomers
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i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf ...
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  06/08/25
Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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  07/01/25
really depended on the country, the region, and the lord re...
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It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar s...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: yapping vengeful institution mad-dog skullcap

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48997575)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49064860)



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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49070377)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49077411)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49084518)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49098591)



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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49101058)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49105012)



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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49117359)



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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49128622)



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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49141968)



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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49143857)



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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49156580)



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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
Author: Obsidian Histrionic Rehab Volcanic Crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49172980)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49421817)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49421862)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49421881)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49422254)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Lavender hospital new version

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Self-centered Dark Place Of Business

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Lavender hospital new version

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Self-centered Dark Place Of Business

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Lavender hospital new version

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Stimulating orange elastic band

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Honey-headed Balding Stage Indirect Expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Magenta Titillating Clown Coffee Pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: odious fear-inspiring office organic girlfriend

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Trip Arrogant Ape Hominid

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: Rusted Space

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Stimulating orange elastic band

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: jet duck-like tattoo

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: geriatric liquid oxygen

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: appetizing pocket flask

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK


It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49421865)