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zilliqa bros, are we worried about iost?

i just looked into this for the first time and it made me wo...
dull kitty
  01/28/18
Looks interesting and has more hype than zilliqa. but zilliq...
White nighttime lay
  01/28/18
Anything is better than ZIL at this point.
Aromatic principal's office
  01/28/18
Shut up faggot
dull kitty
  01/31/18
The Zilliqa team's write-up of IOST vs. ZIL: "Compar...
dull kitty
  01/28/18
zilliqa guys seem obsessed with data breeches, ddos,etc. ...
multi-colored blood rage sanctuary
  01/28/18
interesting, tyft
dull kitty
  01/28/18
data breeches=information pants?
Infuriating Boyish Dingle Berry
  01/28/18
...
canary flickering box office trust fund
  01/28/18
Tyft just went all in on ZIL.
Soul-stirring double fault stage
  01/28/18
I bought some IOST yesterday and it keeps dumping with the s...
galvanic property
  01/28/18
Sharding dumps!
White nighttime lay
  01/28/18
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tan home
  01/28/18
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Infuriating Boyish Dingle Berry
  01/28/18
...
vivacious state
  01/28/18
Have most of my bankroll in IOST!
histrionic rusted dysfunction
  01/29/18
when i saw iost i thought it was a scam due to the fact that...
motley fishy scourge upon the earth codepig
  01/29/18
180
Red swashbuckling house regret
  01/29/18
180 bro ty for your take. Their backers still worry me. Woul...
dull kitty
  01/30/18
GODDAMMIT FUCK THIS SHITBLOCKCHAIN TO HELL
dull kitty
  01/31/18
?
Aphrodisiac narrow-minded knife
  01/31/18
It just mooned today. I'm worried as fuck man i can't stop w...
dull kitty
  01/31/18
eh, everything points to them being way behind. price doesn...
Aphrodisiac narrow-minded knife
  01/31/18
Way behind? Elaborate, brother. I require your insight and a...
dull kitty
  01/31/18
I have a friend who has a PhD in comp sci that's been invest...
Aphrodisiac narrow-minded knife
  01/31/18
Interesting. I look at IOST's team and it appears to be incr...
dull kitty
  01/31/18
They also have an invalid https certificate for their site. ...
Aphrodisiac narrow-minded knife
  01/31/18
Quite to the contrary -- I am a zilliqa ico hodler, brother....
dull kitty
  01/31/18
Instead of putting in the extra 20 eth in zil you should hav...
Honey-headed Offensive Tank
  01/31/18
Yeah i know. Im a moron.
dull kitty
  01/31/18


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Date: January 28th, 2018 10:37 AM
Author: dull kitty

i just looked into this for the first time and it made me worried as fuck. same niche, uses sharding, has the most 180 team i have ever seen, and the most 180 backers.

https://iost.io/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35259437)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 10:43 AM
Author: White nighttime lay

Looks interesting and has more hype than zilliqa. but zilliqas team is better - they developed the concept of sharding

I like fbg and sequoia. might take up a small position, but market cap is already big

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35259458)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: Aromatic principal's office

Anything is better than ZIL at this point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35259551)



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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:20 PM
Author: dull kitty

Shut up faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35292917)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: dull kitty

The Zilliqa team's write-up of IOST vs. ZIL:

"Comparing Zilliqa to IOS

The IOS project proposes a scalable blockchain platform that employs the idea of sharding to scale. IOS assembles primitives from several academic papers such as the ones that propose Collective Signing, ByzCoin, RandHound-RandHerd and OmniLedger. More precisely, IOS adopts the idea of signature aggregation from Collective Signing, the idea of running pBFT as a consensus protocol with signature aggregation from ByzCoin, the concept of transaction and state sharding from OmniLedger and uses a bias-resistant distributed random number generator from RandHound. In fact, OmniLedger itself combines other works and hence, IOS is very close to OmniLedger. The designers of IOS also mention this in the whitepaper.

ZILLIQA employs some of the ideas from Collective Signing and ByzCoin and hence it bears some similarities with IOS. The two projects however differ in the following aspects:

1. Sybil resistance: The IOS whitepaper does not explicitly discuss the way it prevents Sybil attacks. It appears that Sybil attacks are prevented via a stake-based mechanism. ZILLIQA on the other hand uses PoW for Sybil resistance.

2. Consensus protocol: IOS uses a combination of pBFT and a proof-of-believability (PoB) protocol.

PoB is very similar to a dPoS protocol where a validator proposes a block. Consensus in IOS happens in two phases. In the first phase, a PoB protocol is run among a small set of nodes called believable validators, whereby, they propose a small set of transactions. Later in the second phase, the proposed transactions are verified by a larger set of nodes called normal validators. Normal validators do not verify every transaction proposed by the believable validators. Instead, they first decide which transactions to verify and then they run the pBFT consensus protocol to agree upon the transactions. The whitepaper however does not give a security analysis of the proposed PoB protocol, as a result it is difficult to understand its security properties. ZILLIQA on the other hand uses a standard pBFT protocol for consensus. The safety and liveness properties of pBFT have been well established in the academic literature.

3. Size of the consensus group: A given shard in IOS will have several groups of believable validators. Each group proposes a different set of transactions. However, the size of each group is 1. This implies that it should be fairly easy to single out all the believable validators in a shard and attack them. Moreover, as believable validators are assigned using known metrics such as

reviews, reputation, etc., it is also easy to narrow the set of believable validators beforehand with the available public information.

4. Threat model: ZILLIQA assumes a well defined Byzantine adversarial model where less than 1/3 of the total network is byzantine. On the other hand, the threat model in IOS is not-so-well defined. IOS employs two different consensus protocols namely pBFT and PoB. PBFT assumes a byzantine adversary model while PoB assumes a rational adversary not willing to lose large deposits to subvert the consensus protocol. Hence, it is not clear how a node in the IOS network adaptively switches from one model to the other and whether such a hybrid threat model is justifiable.

5. UTXO model: Since IOS closely follows the OmniLedger protocol, it employs a UTXO-based transaction model to handle inter-shard communications. Roughly speaking, a user creates a transaction with some inputs and outputs. The shards handling the inputs then lock those inputs and issue a receipt certifying that the inputs have been locked and can be consumed as outputs. Once the receipt is issued, the outputs can be validated by the shards handing the outputs. Since, IOS claims to be a blockchain platform capable of running smart contracts, it’s unclear how a UTXO model can efficiently handle smart contracts that need to manipulate global state variables unlike UTXOs that only handle certain inputs. ZILLIQA on the other hand uses an account-based model and hence eliminates any such restriction on running smart contracts.

6. Transaction finality: Since the normal validators do not validate every single transaction, it is possible that a malicious believable validator proposes an invalid (or double spend) transaction that gets detected only after-the-fact. As a result, a committed transaction is not final and one needs to wait for confirmations. Since, ZILLIQA uses pBFT among a large group of miners (the minimum being 600) and verifies every single transaction, transaction finality is guaranteed.

7. Attacks on collective signing: Both ZILLIQA and IOS use Collective Signing (CoSi) for signature aggregation. However, the protocol as described in the CoSi paper is vulnerable to two specific attacks. CoSi implements Schnorr multi-signature. It assumes an honest leader that aggregates contributions from various signers and at the end of the protocol, generates a multi-signature. ZILLIQA

does not assume the leader to be honest. In fact, the CoSi protocol is vulnerable to the following two attacks that we prevent in ZILLIQA.

(a) The first attack assumes that the leader is malicious. At the start of the CoSi protocol, the leader may announce that he wishes to generate a multi-signature on a specific message say “This transaction is a double spend”. However, the protocol does not oblige the leader to stick with this message in the next steps. He may in fact change it to any message of his choice say “This transaction is not a double spend”. There is no possible way for signers to detect this. As a result, the signers may end up signing messages blindly.

(b) The second attack assumes that the signers are malicious. The goal here is to mount a DoS attack. The leader in CoSi performs no sanity check on the contributions sent from each signer. As a result, it becomes possible for a signer to send an invalid contribution that cannot be detected until the end of the protocol when the signature verification is done. This attack works even when a single signer is malicious.

We prevent these attacks by adding extra steps and message rounds to the CoSi protocol both on the leader’s side and the signer’s side. The steps ensure that malicious behavior gets detected as early as possible. It is not whether how IOS prevents the afore-described attacks."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35259586)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 11:26 AM
Author: multi-colored blood rage sanctuary

zilliqa guys seem obsessed with data breeches, ddos,etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-z6HiKFtTc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR0TYTRHA_M

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35259667)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 11:31 AM
Author: dull kitty

interesting, tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35259717)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 11:51 AM
Author: Infuriating Boyish Dingle Berry

data breeches=information pants?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35259806)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 12:07 PM
Author: canary flickering box office trust fund



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35259904)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 12:01 PM
Author: Soul-stirring double fault stage

Tyft just went all in on ZIL.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35259855)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: galvanic property

I bought some IOST yesterday and it keeps dumping with the same pattern as ZIL, fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35262578)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 7:23 PM
Author: White nighttime lay

Sharding dumps!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35263120)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 7:26 PM
Author: tan home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35263155)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 8:41 PM
Author: Infuriating Boyish Dingle Berry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35263810)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 8:42 PM
Author: vivacious state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35263823)



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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:33 PM
Author: histrionic rusted dysfunction

Have most of my bankroll in IOST!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35272028)



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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:40 PM
Author: motley fishy scourge upon the earth codepig

when i saw iost i thought it was a scam due to the fact that i couldn't find information about a "terrence wang" who supposedly developed "coinlang" while at princeton. there is someone named holden lee who did develop coinlang:

https://github.com/holdenlee/CoinLang

and he is a grad student at princeton:

http://holdenlee.github.io/blog/about.html

to me that's pretty solid evidence that iost is a giant scam. combine this with almost no legit followers on twitter. to clarify, i'm going to email holden and ask if he knows yannan "terrence" wang.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35273907)



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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:47 PM
Author: Red swashbuckling house regret

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35273984)



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Date: January 30th, 2018 6:15 AM
Author: dull kitty

180 bro ty for your take. Their backers still worry me. Would they involve themselves in such fraudlies?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35275523)



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Date: January 31st, 2018 10:25 PM
Author: dull kitty

GODDAMMIT FUCK THIS SHITBLOCKCHAIN TO HELL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35292505)



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Date: January 31st, 2018 10:29 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac narrow-minded knife

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35292534)



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Date: January 31st, 2018 10:31 PM
Author: dull kitty

It just mooned today. I'm worried as fuck man i can't stop worrying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35292561)



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Date: January 31st, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac narrow-minded knife

eh, everything points to them being way behind. price doesn't reflect actual value too well this early imo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35292576)



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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:05 PM
Author: dull kitty

Way behind? Elaborate, brother. I require your insight and assurance.

Edit: nevermind, read what i assume to be your explanation below

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35292840)



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Date: January 31st, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac narrow-minded knife

I have a friend who has a PhD in comp sci that's been investing with me he's kind of concerned about proof of believability being built on top of an already unstable foundation. It also seems like they're behind in implementation. So he's pretty down on IOST.

He likes ZIL a lot for the record and he took the plunge on it today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35292569)



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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:09 PM
Author: dull kitty

Interesting. I look at IOST's team and it appears to be incredibly formidable. It seems as though they have confidence in this approach and collectively have the ability to successfully implement this as-yet speculative consensus algorithm. Granted, it is not based on much peer-reviewed research on the topic but that doesn't mean it won't be successful. They might have some very innovative solutions up their sleeve. It seems a bit premature to dismiss their version of proof-of-believability outright.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35292860)



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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:14 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac narrow-minded knife

They also have an invalid https certificate for their site. Coupled with what seems like fraud lies about one their members I’m happy with my pick.

Are you a iost back holder? Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35292884)



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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:18 PM
Author: dull kitty

Quite to the contrary -- I am a zilliqa ico hodler, brother. Just want to cover my bases. I am not yet convinced that IOST has been discredited itt. But it is reassuring to know exeunt's and your friend's perspectives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35292904)



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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:23 PM
Author: Honey-headed Offensive Tank

Instead of putting in the extra 20 eth in zil you should have put 10 in iost if u think so. U already have > 700k zil so why load up more?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35292933)



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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:24 PM
Author: dull kitty

Yeah i know. Im a moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873742&forum_id=7#35292937)