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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
stirring jap
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
Cream wonderful shitlib
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
Big rough-skinned hell
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(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
Cream wonderful shitlib
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
Big rough-skinned hell
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the P...
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narrow-minded rigor
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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cq
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I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on ju...
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teen black death survivors were the original Boomers
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i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf ...
Bearded stage
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
brilliant principal's office
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really depended on the country, the region, and the lord re...
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It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar s...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: stirring jap

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48997575)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49064860)



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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49070377)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49077411)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49084518)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49098591)



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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49101058)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49105012)



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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49117359)



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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49128622)



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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49141968)



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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49143857)



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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49156580)



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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
Author: Rambunctious kitchen voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49172980)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49421817)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49421862)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49421881)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49422254)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49424474)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49425035)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49425543)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49427654)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Cream wonderful shitlib

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Big rough-skinned hell

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Cream wonderful shitlib

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Big rough-skinned hell

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Cream wonderful shitlib

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: alcoholic frum philosopher-king garrison

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: boyish corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: narrow-minded rigor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: electric chapel yarmulke

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: scarlet beady-eyed pervert resort

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: Seedy excitant mother

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: alcoholic frum philosopher-king garrison

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Bearded stage

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: brilliant principal's office

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: 180 legend

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK


It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2!#49421865)