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It's crazy how much parity there is in men's tennis now

The difference between #1 and #30 player is truly minuscule....
azure mischievous mood
  08/30/25
Sun is energy, no?
rose cerebral gunner multi-billionaire
  08/31/25
Date: August 30th, 2025 10:42 PM Author: Dave Prole The ...
yellow ticket booth
  09/06/25
Didn't realize Frances Tiafoe was a poaster
Bonkers narrow-minded really tough guy factory reset button
  09/08/25
That’s just because the “top” players now ...
Curious Transparent Old Irish Cottage
  08/30/25
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stirring citrine property
  09/05/25
, he lisped
violent abode
  08/30/25
Crazy how Alcarez and Sinner keep getting slightly more slee...
Bat-shit-crazy Generalized Bond Boiling Water
  08/30/25
You're being sarcastic but that's exactly right. You think t...
azure mischievous mood
  08/31/25
I think they are obviously better tennis players than no. 30...
Bat-shit-crazy Generalized Bond Boiling Water
  08/31/25
...
Learning Disabled Lemon Resort
  08/31/25
Actually tyrolean doobs literally is a convicted doper. That...
yellow ticket booth
  08/31/25
delusional take
Learning Disabled Lemon Resort
  08/31/25
this is going to go down as one of the dumbest sports thread...
yellow ticket booth
  09/03/25
Yes, Ahmurrican and uninformed at its finest.
Big-titted yapping kitchen pozpig
  09/07/25
*3 guys win the last 13 slams* *xo deems this parity*
yellow ticket booth
  08/31/25
That's Kenny. Don't smear the rest of us on xo
Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot
  08/31/25
Kenny is the quintessential xo tp
yellow ticket booth
  08/31/25
Why did a 50-year old brown pedophile open this thread?
azure mischievous mood
  08/31/25
we've got pedophiles of all races and ages itt!
yellow ticket booth
  08/31/25
And they're seething about their boy Carlos
azure mischievous mood
  08/31/25
so mad kenny
Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot
  09/08/25
Bump this thread in 2-3 years when lance and doobs have each...
yellow ticket booth
  08/31/25
bump for djoker & lance alcatraz, and tyrolean doobs mak...
yellow ticket booth
  09/03/25
OP: guess number of first-time slam semifinalists in 2025 ...
yellow ticket booth
  09/03/25
Did Felix get a good night's sleep?
Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot
  09/05/25
...
yellow ticket booth
  09/05/25
What? it's just Monkeytraz and Doobs over and over and will ...
concupiscible foreskin hell
  09/05/25
alcatraz and sinner ATE more potatoes last week are you dimw...
Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot
  09/05/25
...
yellow ticket booth
  09/05/25
this is literally the dumbest tennis thread ever. and xo nov...
yellow ticket booth
  09/05/25
This isn't even the dumbest thread Kenny has made all week
Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot
  09/06/25
How many children did Fulano molest this week?
azure mischievous mood
  09/06/25
We went from Fed/Djoker/Lance to a bunch of random fags
mind-boggling gaping
  09/05/25
random fags? the same 2 doping fags and djoker have won the ...
yellow ticket booth
  09/05/25
Sinner should be stripped of his titles, his clothes, and th...
mind-boggling gaping
  09/05/25
189 and anisimova & sabalenka should strip together t...
yellow ticket booth
  09/05/25
Kenny
Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot
  09/06/25
Fulano the Brown Molester
azure mischievous mood
  09/06/25
...
provocative free-loading native
  09/06/25
Same 2 guys in 3 consec slam finals now - first time EVER ...
yellow ticket booth
  09/06/25
...
provocative free-loading native
  09/06/25
Fulano the Brown Molester
azure mischievous mood
  09/06/25
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0IaelAXgAAwjYU?format=png&n...
yellow ticket booth
  09/07/25
One of the worst self owning OPs we’ve seen here in a ...
Talking home persian
  09/07/25
Explain
azure mischievous mood
  09/07/25
low IQ schtick?
Up-to-no-good Heaven National Security Agency
  09/07/25
#1 seed just barely beat #25 seed in the semis Are you ac...
azure mischievous mood
  09/07/25
#1 and #2 “barely beat” everyone every time. Odd...
yellow ticket booth
  09/07/25
Every time? https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2...
azure mischievous mood
  09/07/25
...
Big-titted yapping kitchen pozpig
  09/07/25
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0RpfHCXoAAXvXD?format=jpg&n...
yellow ticket booth
  09/07/25
wow. at every single 2025 event that BOTH alcatraz & tyr...
yellow ticket booth
  11/03/25
alcatraz is 70-8 on the year, including 16-3 vs top 10 oppon...
yellow ticket booth
  11/13/25
Sinner finishes his season with… 58 wins 6 losse...
yellow ticket booth
  11/16/25
That result in Turin ensures that #2 Sinner will finish 2025...
yellow ticket booth
  11/16/25
final 2025 money list. top 2 are 3x the #3 guy: https://p...
yellow ticket booth
  11/17/25
AO odds: lance/doobs to win @ -1100; the field is +550 th...
yellow ticket booth
  01/15/26
Bump for AO and healthy meals
Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot
  01/18/26
...
yellow ticket booth
  01/18/26
Name a player to watch in AO who isn't one of the usuals
Metal Vibrant Mad Cow Disease
  01/18/26
to watch to break thru alcadoobs blocade? or watch to go far...
yellow ticket booth
  01/18/26
wow i called this one re tien
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  01/28/26
AO 2026 update: #1 alcatraz beat #32 yesterday 62 64 61. gue...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  01/25/26
AO 2026 update: top 6 seeds all made the QF. top 4 all made ...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  01/28/26
we avoid a 4th straight alcatraz-doobs slam final... by gett...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  01/30/26
Why are you still bumping this thread dumbass? Sinner lo...
Kevin "Canadian" Bacon
  01/30/26


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Date: August 30th, 2025 10:42 PM
Author: azure mischievous mood

The difference between #1 and #30 player is truly minuscule. It amounts to like trying a little bit harder, or getting slightly more sleep / better diet the week before

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225252)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 10:34 AM
Author: rose cerebral gunner multi-billionaire

Sun is energy, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225967)



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Date: September 6th, 2025 9:28 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

Date: August 30th, 2025 10:42 PM

Author: Dave Prole

The difference between #1 and #30 player is truly minuscule. It amounts to like trying a little bit harder, or getting slightly more sleep / better diet the week before

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2#49225252)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49242041)



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Date: September 8th, 2025 1:24 PM
Author: Bonkers narrow-minded really tough guy factory reset button

Didn't realize Frances Tiafoe was a poaster

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49245347)



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Date: August 30th, 2025 11:05 PM
Author: Curious Transparent Old Irish Cottage

That’s just because the “top” players now are sps garbage who can lose to a #153 ranked pusher any day of the week

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225274)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 5:14 PM
Author: stirring citrine property



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49239551)



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Date: August 30th, 2025 11:07 PM
Author: violent abode

, he lisped

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225281)



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Date: August 30th, 2025 11:11 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Generalized Bond Boiling Water

Crazy how Alcarez and Sinner keep getting slightly more sleep than number 30

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225309)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 1:01 AM
Author: azure mischievous mood

You're being sarcastic but that's exactly right. You think they're more athletic or have more skill than other guys? If you zoom in on their matches they start out losing like half of them and barely win the huge ones

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225444)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 8:45 AM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Generalized Bond Boiling Water

I think they are obviously better tennis players than no. 30.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225771)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 9:19 AM
Author: Learning Disabled Lemon Resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225821)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 10:23 AM
Author: yellow ticket booth

Actually tyrolean doobs literally is a convicted doper. That’s the difference

Lance Alcatraz is the fastest guy on tour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225945)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 9:20 AM
Author: Learning Disabled Lemon Resort

delusional take

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225822)



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Date: September 3rd, 2025 8:24 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

this is going to go down as one of the dumbest sports threads on xo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49234981)



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Date: September 7th, 2025 7:39 PM
Author: Big-titted yapping kitchen pozpig

Yes, Ahmurrican and uninformed at its finest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49243826)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 10:26 AM
Author: yellow ticket booth

*3 guys win the last 13 slams* *xo deems this parity*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225953)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 10:37 AM
Author: Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot

That's Kenny. Don't smear the rest of us on xo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225973)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 10:41 AM
Author: yellow ticket booth

Kenny is the quintessential xo tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225979)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 12:04 PM
Author: azure mischievous mood

Why did a 50-year old brown pedophile open this thread?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49226126)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 12:27 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

we've got pedophiles of all races and ages itt!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49226195)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 12:29 PM
Author: azure mischievous mood

And they're seething about their boy Carlos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49226197)



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Date: September 8th, 2025 1:04 PM
Author: Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot

so mad kenny

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49245306)



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Date: August 31st, 2025 10:28 AM
Author: yellow ticket booth

Bump this thread in 2-3 years when lance and doobs have each won double digit slams.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49225956)



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Date: September 3rd, 2025 6:12 AM
Author: yellow ticket booth

bump for djoker & lance alcatraz, and tyrolean doobs making all 4 slam SFs this year but for djoker knocking off alcatraz in the RG quarters



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49232809)



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Date: September 3rd, 2025 8:23 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

OP: guess number of first-time slam semifinalists in 2025

answer: ZERO

yep, parity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49234977)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 3:47 PM
Author: Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot

Did Felix get a good night's sleep?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49239299)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 5:14 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49239550)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 3:52 PM
Author: concupiscible foreskin hell

What? it's just Monkeytraz and Doobs over and over and will be for a decade. They slip up rarely but they're so much better than the field and NOVAX is declining.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49239312)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot

alcatraz and sinner ATE more potatoes last week are you dimwitted

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49239486)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 5:14 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49239548)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 5:15 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

this is literally the dumbest tennis thread ever. and xo novax still reached all 4 slam semis this year. it's the big 2 + djoker. rofl parity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49239553)



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Date: September 6th, 2025 11:57 AM
Author: Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot

This isn't even the dumbest thread Kenny has made all week

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49240874)



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Date: September 6th, 2025 12:04 PM
Author: azure mischievous mood

How many children did Fulano molest this week?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49240881)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 5:15 PM
Author: mind-boggling gaping

We went from Fed/Djoker/Lance to a bunch of random fags

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49239552)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 5:16 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

random fags? the same 2 doping fags and djoker have won the past 13 slame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49239557)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 5:18 PM
Author: mind-boggling gaping

Sinner should be stripped of his titles, his clothes, and thrown to the men who would be paying his rent in any other era of tennis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49239570)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 5:21 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

189

and anisimova & sabalenka should strip together tmw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49239580)



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Date: September 6th, 2025 5:31 PM
Author: Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot

Kenny

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49241623)



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Date: September 6th, 2025 5:40 PM
Author: azure mischievous mood

Fulano the Brown Molester

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49241633)



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Date: September 6th, 2025 9:30 PM
Author: provocative free-loading native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49242045)



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Date: September 6th, 2025 9:26 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

Same 2 guys in 3 consec slam finals now - first time EVER

lol Kenny

Not even Federer and lance managed this.

Must be the spaghetti and paella.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49242039)



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Date: September 6th, 2025 9:30 PM
Author: provocative free-loading native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49242044)



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Date: September 6th, 2025 9:34 PM
Author: azure mischievous mood

Fulano the Brown Molester

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49242050)



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Date: September 7th, 2025 8:08 AM
Author: yellow ticket booth

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0IaelAXgAAwjYU?format=png&name=small

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49242477)



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Date: September 7th, 2025 8:37 AM
Author: Talking home persian

One of the worst self owning OPs we’ve seen here in a while

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49242508)



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Date: September 7th, 2025 8:42 AM
Author: azure mischievous mood

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49242514)



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Date: September 7th, 2025 8:58 AM
Author: Up-to-no-good Heaven National Security Agency

low IQ schtick?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49242527)



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Date: September 7th, 2025 9:07 AM
Author: azure mischievous mood

#1 seed just barely beat #25 seed in the semis

Are you actually the one running a retard shtick?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49242535)



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Date: September 7th, 2025 11:47 AM
Author: yellow ticket booth

#1 and #2 “barely beat” everyone every time. Odd case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49242777)



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Date: September 7th, 2025 4:44 PM
Author: azure mischievous mood

Every time?

https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2024-08-29/carlos_alcaraz_suffers_shock_2024_us_open_defeat_to_botic_van_de_zandschulp.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49243374)



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Date: September 7th, 2025 7:43 PM
Author: Big-titted yapping kitchen pozpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49243830)



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Date: September 7th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0RpfHCXoAAXvXD?format=jpg&name=large

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49243816)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 8:20 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

wow. at every single 2025 event that BOTH alcatraz & tyrolean doobs played, one of them one the title.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G423H-SWUAAOihg?format=jpg&name=medium

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49399257)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 6:14 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

alcatraz is 70-8 on the year, including 16-3 vs top 10 opponents (only losses are tyrolean doobs, djoker and fritz).

tyrolean doobs is 53-6 on the year, including 16-4 vs top 10 opponents (4 losses to alcatraz)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49428010)



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Date: November 16th, 2025 10:21 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

Sinner finishes his season with…

58 wins

6 losses

6 titles (2 Slams, ATP Finals 1M1000)

11.500 points

One of the best year end #2 seasons in history

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49436958)



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Date: November 16th, 2025 10:32 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

That result in Turin ensures that #2 Sinner will finish 2025 with more than twice as many ranking points as #3 Zverev.

Never before has tennis felt so starkly stratified.

https://x.com/BenRothenberg/status/1989453658040222173

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49436978)



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Date: November 17th, 2025 4:59 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

final 2025 money list. top 2 are 3x the #3 guy:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G58w3iuXwAAogNX?format=jpg&name=900x900

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49438939)



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Date: January 15th, 2026 7:53 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

AO odds: lance/doobs to win @ -1100; the field is +550

the market doesn't seem to agree with OP

https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/leagues/tennis/australian-open-men?category=futures&subcategory=winner-specials

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49592738)



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Date: January 18th, 2026 3:10 PM
Author: Scarlet Bearded Whorehouse Coffee Pot

Bump for AO and healthy meals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49598974)



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Date: January 18th, 2026 3:43 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49599041)



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Date: January 18th, 2026 3:13 PM
Author: Metal Vibrant Mad Cow Disease

Name a player to watch in AO who isn't one of the usuals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49598977)



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Date: January 18th, 2026 3:44 PM
Author: yellow ticket booth

to watch to break thru alcadoobs blocade? or watch to go far?

nobody not a usual is beating alcadoobs.

to watch to go far -- watch nowag learner (tennis teen) tien. hes 20 and seeded at a slam for the first time



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49599047)



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Date: January 28th, 2026 8:40 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


wow i called this one re tien

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49626059)



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Date: January 25th, 2026 12:48 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


AO 2026 update: #1 alcatraz beat #32 yesterday 62 64 61. guess he just eat some better shepard's pie down in melbourne than the #32 guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49616728)



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Date: January 28th, 2026 8:40 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


AO 2026 update: top 6 seeds all made the QF. top 4 all made the SF.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49626057)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 9:34 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


we avoid a 4th straight alcatraz-doobs slam final... by getting a 24 time slam champ instead. that's some parity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49632584)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 5:44 PM
Author: Kevin "Canadian" Bacon

Why are you still bumping this thread dumbass?

Sinner lost

You were PWNED

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5767971&forum_id=2!#49634102)