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What was your first jury trial like?

About to have my first one on a public defender case that wa...
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I was on a jury last year and we ended up voting not guilty ...
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Yes lol we had to take turns Holy shit it was such a terr...
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I will never be "tried" I will never go before a &...
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It was a dui where I thought we had no defense where client ...
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As a second chair I helped try a case where our client kille...
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threadbare seersucker suit that doesn't fit is peak shitlaw
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Also peak shitlaw to describe your boss as having not "...
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It’s funny bc we worked in an outpost of a larger firm...
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LOL
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lol just plea him out moron.
180 chad
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The trial is his idea I tried to get him to plea. Had a grea...
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You need to CONTROL your client.
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so you CONTROL this client, and convince him to take a plea....
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Yes and when he takes it to trial and loses he will hold a g...
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Defendant was pro se and facing life. Before opening statem...
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I've had two jury trials. Won both. Both involving dispute...
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PI case, client didn't want to take ins co's offer, i encour...
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180 that’s an impressive record
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How did that case work out for you ultimately, financially.
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Date: February 4th, 2026 8:26 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

About to have my first one on a public defender case that was randomly assigned to me and it’s a loser of a case. All my PI cases have settled since I got out of law school so I’ve never done a jury trial ever. Have no idea how jury trials even work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647416)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 8:27 PM
Author: flatulent comical garrison puppy

I was on a jury last year and we ended up voting not guilty after 3 and a half days because none of the males could stand being in the jury room with the females anymore

I can't even remember what the "crime" was or who was even being accused. I think it was a nigger committing a crime against another nigger. Who knows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647419)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 8:30 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

Was it one of those with a single shared unisex bathroom

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647427)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 8:31 PM
Author: flatulent comical garrison puppy

Yes lol we had to take turns

Holy shit it was such a terrible experience in every way. I hate law and lawyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647431)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 8:32 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

Like being a POW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647434)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 8:44 AM
Author: Brindle hominid stock car



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Date: February 4th, 2026 8:29 PM
Author: Stirring pit yarmulke

I will never be "tried" I will never go before a "jury"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647423)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 8:30 PM
Author: confused slippery market bbw

ask benzo

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Date: February 4th, 2026 8:48 PM
Author: Histrionic Hell

It was a dui where I thought we had no defense where client had a 0.16 bac. Client and his brother were driving around and drinking beer on a mountain road (he said they were occasionally stopping on the side of the road to hunt rabbits or something lmao). Our defense was that the police got the wrong guy, his brother was actually the one driving, and my client was the passenger and just took the blame at the time. Argued that although the cops did initiate a traffic stop, the cops didn’t get a good look at them until they both got out of the car and they id’d the wrong guy as the driver because they looked alike. The da didn’t see my kooky defense coming at all and was shocked and MAF that we came up with this bullshit lmao. Jury came back with a HANG lmao. Then my client fled to New Mexico and never came back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647451)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 8:54 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

lmfao 180000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647464)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 11:02 PM
Author: heady cream brunch travel guidebook



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Date: February 4th, 2026 11:47 PM
Author: Blue theater

18000000

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Date: February 5th, 2026 9:03 AM
Author: Massive Cerise Location



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Date: February 5th, 2026 8:17 PM
Author: effete forum gaming laptop

beyond 180

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Date: February 10th, 2026 11:36 AM
Author: tats

simpsons episode tp

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Date: February 4th, 2026 9:38 PM
Author: stubborn coffee pot

As a second chair I helped try a case where our client killed 3 people. We just had driver, other counsel had trucking co. My boss was a guy who didn’t give a shit anymore about anything and was going through the motions bc our guy wasn’t paying anything anyways. Wore a threadbare seersucker suit that was 2 sizes too small and hadn’t been washed in ages. Never apologized in opening or closing despite counsel for trucking company begging him to bc pl attorney called him out the entire trial about it. Ended up getting popped for our last offer.

As a first chair our client was waving out the window and didn’t stop and slammed into car in front of him in concrete truck. My client driver didn’t show for trial. Pl attorney was buddies w judge and judge let him do whatever he wanted. Batson challenged me bc we struck the lone black woman. We said she was wearing a hoodie and didn’t seem like she wanted to be there. Pl attorney said no way, bailiff would never let that happen and we’re lying. Judge grants his motion even though we literally gave a non racial reason for the strike. Jurors march back in, lady wearing her hoodie. Bailiff made a big deal about going over and telling her to take it off. We struck her again and they didn’t say shit.

Jury came back w verdict for past meds and future surgery estimate ($550k) but wanted to pop my guy for punitives. Even asked to come back following day for punitive arguments. Client freaks we offer $1m to settle. Pl attorney turns it down. Jury comes back with $25k in punitives lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647569)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 9:42 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647574)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 11:05 PM
Author: Onyx laser beams spot



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Date: February 5th, 2026 8:46 AM
Author: Brindle hominid stock car



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Date: February 5th, 2026 8:47 AM
Author: effete forum gaming laptop

threadbare seersucker suit that doesn't fit is peak shitlaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648132)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 2:31 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle dark shrine

Also peak shitlaw to describe your boss as having not "washed" his suit in a long time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648916)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 3:19 PM
Author: stubborn coffee pot

It’s funny bc we worked in an outpost of a larger firm with partners who I now know were embarrassed by it but let it slide bc they rarely saw him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49649060)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 2:17 PM
Author: Mind-boggling gunner native

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648873)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 10:59 PM
Author: 180 chad

lol just plea him out moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647724)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 11:02 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

The trial is his idea I tried to get him to plea. Had a great offer too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647735)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 11:03 PM
Author: 180 chad

You need to CONTROL your client.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647738)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 11:06 PM
Author: heady cream brunch travel guidebook

so you CONTROL this client, and convince him to take a plea. even if the plea is objectively the best outcome for him, won't he just always harbor a grudge that he thought a jury trial would vindicate him, and his no good lawyer wouldn't let him do it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647743)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 11:23 PM
Author: 180 chad

Yes and when he takes it to trial and loses he will hold a grudge and murder you when he gets out because you never told him about the plea deal etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647762)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 11:28 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

He’s already formally rejected the deal in writing in court. He might still murder me though we’ll see what unfolds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647765)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 11:08 PM
Author: Razzle Lodge

Defendant was pro se and facing life. Before opening statements he got cold feet and ran away. An hour later deputies found him a few blocks away from the courthouse and the judge took pity on him and declared a mistrial.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647748)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 11:18 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647756)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 7:36 PM
Author: big den



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Date: February 5th, 2026 8:46 AM
Author: Brindle hominid stock car



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Date: February 4th, 2026 11:55 PM
Author: big den

It’s very common to have a MASSIVE diarrhea in the courtroom on your first day. In fact, it’s so common, practitioners have a jaunty name for it: getting the browns. As is, “Awwww, hell nah, is that diarrhea leaking out the leg of his Jos A Bank super suit?” “Relax, Darrius. It’s just his first day—he’s getting the browns.” Thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49647791)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 8:42 AM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

180

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Date: February 5th, 2026 7:36 PM
Author: big den



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Date: February 5th, 2026 8:47 AM
Author: Brindle hominid stock car



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Date: February 5th, 2026 7:37 PM
Author: big den



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Date: February 5th, 2026 6:51 AM
Author: Excitant white community account

I've had two jury trials. Won both. Both involving disputes over who was the true owner of real estate.

Overall, I loved doing them. The procedural part wasn't bad. The judge explained what the procedure was as we were going through it, so I didn't have to know a lot about that.

What I did have to know was how to appeal to 12 members of the general public who knew nothing about law. It was very refreshing to make arguments to normal people as opposed to some law dweeb judge. At the same time, everything that happened in court mattered a lot, so it was very intense. I thought about almost nothing else for the week of trial, both times.

I did both these cases on contingency, so the adrenaline from hearing that we won was insane.

One thing that I will say, OP. I usually represent the underdog in a case, and that was definitely true here. I ruthlessly tried to strike anyone from the jury pool who was middle class or above. Proles are my bread and butter. Both times, I let a professional slip through, and he was the one hold out that my proles spent their time converting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648042)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 8:42 AM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

180

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Date: February 5th, 2026 7:36 PM
Author: big den



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Date: February 5th, 2026 8:46 AM
Author: Brindle hominid stock car



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Date: February 5th, 2026 9:09 AM
Author: Plum dysfunction

Jury trial where my client was the defendant in a personal injury lawsuit and was accused of running a red light and striking the defendant’s vehicle as they made a left turn into the parking lot of universal studios.

Hired an expert who used the minutia of defendant’s expert testimony to review the traffic light sequences and declare their version of events impossible. Defense verdict.

3 days in Torrance courthouse. It was a good experience. A lot easier to defend these cases than convince a jury some client needed $15k injections from a 3 mile per hour car crash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648152)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 11:57 AM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648425)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 12:14 PM
Author: Vibrant harsh institution tattoo

PI case, client didn't want to take ins co's offer, i encouraged client to take it and client refused. Got a verdict for the Plaintiff that was less than the ins co's offer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648471)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 2:12 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

Damn that sucks. I’ve got an old man PI client right now who wants nothing less than his full UM policy because he’s been with them for 30 years or something. May end up in this same spot eventually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648867)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 1:13 PM
Author: Puce Stag Film Indirect Expression

I was like 7 months out of biglaw hanging a shingle and tried a pi case against a gokart track. referred by a firm that signed it up but didnt want it anymore. I had no idea what I was doing, went by in a blur and got zipped. i was mortified but in hindsight good experience. have like 15 jury trials under my belt now, roughly 10 criminal with about 7 not guiltys and a couple of 7 figure civil verdicts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648754)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 2:14 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

180 that’s an impressive record

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648870)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 2:20 PM
Author: Puce Stag Film Indirect Expression

trials are super fun imo. won a murder on self defense and a low 7 figure med mal in a rural county in back to back months and felt like a trial god and also other lawyers were shocked I could do both of those

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648876)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 2:29 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school



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Date: February 5th, 2026 9:04 PM
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Date: February 5th, 2026 2:21 PM
Author: Mind-boggling gunner native

Pro bono eviction case where my guy was terrorizing an entire trailer park. Owner managed to get five separate witnesses to voluntarily show up to testify that he was harassing everyone and doing drugs and extorting people for their welfare checks. Bad weather caused the case to be rescheduled and a month later SEVEN witnesses/residents voluntarily showed up to testify against him. Even the chick he was living with testified against him.

I did not prevail, but would have voted to evict him as well. One juror voted not to evict. He got a defense that would have cost at least $30k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648883)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 2:30 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

lol wild

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648915)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 2:34 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle dark shrine

Won $44.4M in an antitrust case against Swisher.

It's all been downhill since.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49648928)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 2:44 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

holy shit

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Date: February 5th, 2026 8:18 PM
Author: trip well-lubricated stage



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Date: February 5th, 2026 3:10 PM
Author: Mind-boggling gunner native

How did that case work out for you ultimately, financially.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49649033)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle dark shrine

Not nearly as great. The wire should come next week and I'll post it when it does. About $8M in fees.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49649039)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 3:16 PM
Author: Mind-boggling gunner native

180. ChatGPT calculated $11.3.

Once you cash the check please make a thread describing the exact moment you found out your client was engaged in tax fraud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49649051)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 3:16 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle dark shrine

Wilco.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49649055)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 9:05 PM
Author: heady cream brunch travel guidebook

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Date: February 5th, 2026 9:04 PM
Author: heady cream brunch travel guidebook



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Date: February 5th, 2026 10:12 PM
Author: vermilion filthy lay hairy legs

Sweet

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Date: February 5th, 2026 9:07 PM
Author: scarlet candlestick maker school

great thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49649856)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 9:49 PM
Author: supple smoky dog poop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49649950)



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Date: February 5th, 2026 9:58 PM
Author: Histrionic Hell



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Date: February 5th, 2026 10:12 PM
Author: Brindle hominid stock car



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Date: February 5th, 2026 10:14 PM
Author: overrated keepsake machete stage

Like warm apple pie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5831102&forum_id=2!#49650005)