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Trump Killing PSLF (loans don't get grandfathered in)

LOL - unfucking real. People are gonna have insane balances
Passionate Sepia Lay
  02/10/20
PSLF WAS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE CUT EVENTUALLY YOU WELFARE-MO...
excitant dilemma
  02/12/20
lol @ PSLFmos: Trump looks to kill student loan forgivene...
Razzmatazz mauve athletic conference hairy legs
  02/11/20
Sanders needs to win!
Appetizing Church Building
  02/11/20
#MAGA
Naked indian lodge
  02/11/20
Holy shit Fuck this kike nut sucking faggot boomer San...
sooty pea-brained goal in life
  02/11/20
OH WHAT A POPULISM WE HAVE ENJOYED THESE 4 YEARS *Bannon br...
Wine internal respiration
  02/11/20
i thought bannon supported some kind of loan reform/forgiven...
Razzmatazz mauve athletic conference hairy legs
  02/11/20
Making Papa Earl proud, if you will.
Appetizing Church Building
  02/11/20
that's the point. the whole 'BANNON populism' promise has ...
Wine internal respiration
  02/11/20
Titcr
sooty pea-brained goal in life
  02/11/20
That's what the Jew does. Uses "populism' to cuck the g...
house-broken stage
  02/11/20
I think you meant *Shlomo & Kushner breakdancing in corn...
house-broken stage
  02/11/20
Like 28% of the country has a college degree.
Dashing kitty cat
  02/11/20
wow, that's hardly anybody...
Wine internal respiration
  02/11/20
Cr they probably only contribute 90% of taxes also Fuck t...
sooty pea-brained goal in life
  02/11/20
CR. They're also concentrated in non-Trump states. So not on...
Dashing kitty cat
  02/11/20
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sooty pea-brained goal in life
  02/11/20
36% of millennials have a college degree (many more with 'so...
Wine internal respiration
  02/11/20
72% of the country doesn't have a college degree. Wages for ...
Dashing kitty cat
  02/11/20
god, you're retarded
Wine internal respiration
  02/11/20
GRRR Trump needs to pay for swamp degrees!!!111ONEONE
Dashing kitty cat
  02/11/20
We are literally having a blue collar boom.
Hairraiser hell
  02/11/20
now do people who actually bother to vote.
Razzmatazz mauve athletic conference hairy legs
  02/11/20
Now do average loan balances and now do what states they ten...
Dashing kitty cat
  02/11/20
Fuck those goys!
house-broken stage
  02/11/20
...
sooty pea-brained goal in life
  02/11/20
Guess what.... right next to this every year in the presiden...
Navy wonderful office blood rage
  02/11/20
Fuck this ttt shiteating faggot vote sanders
misanthropic legend jap
  02/11/20
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sooty pea-brained goal in life
  02/11/20
he's a commie jew- and yes, he's cucking you too
house-broken stage
  02/11/20
lol 180
rambunctious chapel coldplay fan
  02/11/20
Honest question: what in the federal PSLF terms that borrowe...
Boyish nubile coffee pot
  02/11/20
AFAIK PSLF isn't in the loan note, and isn't even something ...
rambunctious chapel coldplay fan
  02/11/20
Based on what little I remember from the public interest car...
Boyish nubile coffee pot
  02/11/20
fraud by the law schools for misrepresenting the program, po...
rambunctious chapel coldplay fan
  02/11/20
...
Plum property
  02/11/20
Sovereignty
sapphire marvelous national
  02/11/20
Sounds right for the GOP. Lots of tax breaks for billionaire...
Autistic nursing home national security agency
  02/11/20
The Democrats should have implemented his budget in 2018 and...
sapphire marvelous national
  02/11/20
Lmao 180
Metal site
  02/11/20
...
pale medicated orchestra pit
  02/11/20
He proposed this every year of his term. And it gets killed ...
Navy wonderful office blood rage
  02/11/20
...
Autistic nursing home national security agency
  02/11/20
Amazing. Fuck deadbeats. Pay your debts like responsible peo...
glittery lemon ceo persian
  02/11/20
Trump supporters aren't allowed to say this
Autistic nursing home national security agency
  02/11/20
Most people who go to college have far higher incomes that p...
glittery lemon ceo persian
  02/11/20
This is about aspiring PSLF recipients not high income earne...
Autistic nursing home national security agency
  02/11/20
Got 120K wiped away tax free. How much does that hurt?
Primrose Preventive Strike Death Wish
  02/11/20
Cr 18000
pungent floppy temple sneaky criminal
  02/11/20
(Brought to you by the Jewish Bankers Association)
house-broken stage
  02/11/20
These budgets are nothing but virtue signaling to his base, ...
Godawful Fluffy Range
  02/11/20
Ding ding ding Populist MAGA emperor will happily drop bi...
Autistic nursing home national security agency
  02/11/20
Fiscal responsibility is very importa- *suitcase full of she...
Godawful Fluffy Range
  02/11/20
Doesn’t even say it would be retroactive. Not saying ...
charismatic salmon halford
  02/11/20
Why is this the "non sustainable" relief plan to g...
Godawful Fluffy Range
  02/11/20
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talented bawdyhouse karate
  02/11/20
Don't underestimate how this plays to his core base of non-d...
Godawful Fluffy Range
  02/11/20
...
talented bawdyhouse karate
  02/11/20
Galleria, folks
burgundy concupiscible windowlicker set
  02/11/20
hey ur a really smart special jew youll figure out how to pa...
Turquoise Digit Ratio
  02/11/20
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sooty pea-brained goal in life
  02/11/20
all in the game yo
sooty pea-brained goal in life
  02/11/20
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house-broken stage
  02/17/20
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  02/17/20
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stimulating theater stage cuck
  02/17/20
100% correct. The comments on any news article about this wi...
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  02/11/20
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  02/11/20
oh what a populist
buff sick reading party mediation
  02/11/20
The article doesn't say that
flirting vigorous locale
  02/11/20
BOOMERS
soggy dog poop
  02/11/20
180 fuck lawyers
Turquoise Digit Ratio
  02/11/20
Good. Fuck you all.
jet-lagged brunch party of the first part
  02/11/20
The student loan issue will never be addressed until schools...
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  02/11/20
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  02/11/20
I have long thought of this - or have student debt be recour...
maize adulterous fat ankles people who are hurt
  02/11/20
another way to do this is to permit more government grants/l...
Aromatic Charcoal Macaca Antidepressant Drug
  02/11/20
cr
Naked indian lodge
  02/11/20
I've been impotently pushing claw backs/guarantees for years...
Insecure crystalline menage liquid oxygen
  02/11/20
Hopefully we can forcememe this into IRL
maize adulterous fat ankles people who are hurt
  02/11/20
...
racy ticket booth gaping
  02/12/20
It’s the simplest, least disruptive “fix”....
racy ticket booth gaping
  02/12/20
...
Turquoise Digit Ratio
  02/11/20
Bring back bankruptcy. Require schools to guarantee some por...
Insecure crystalline menage liquid oxygen
  02/11/20
Great idea
pungent floppy temple sneaky criminal
  02/11/20
Horrible ideas. Why not just make college free and pay off a...
Dead Piazza
  02/11/20
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stimulating theater stage cuck
  02/17/20
Only affects new borrowers and he’s tried this like 3 ...
Motley walnut nowag
  02/11/20
First half that is most important. And blows out OP
Navy wonderful office blood rage
  02/11/20
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talented bawdyhouse karate
  02/11/20
I'm all for crushing deadbeats and stopping handouts, but al...
bright theatre
  02/11/20
Guy who couldn't get hired at prosecutors office here
Metal site
  02/11/20
School tier and class rank?
bright theatre
  02/11/20
...
Pearly corn cake roommate
  02/11/20
"Public service" LJL I can't believe what is...
pale medicated orchestra pit
  02/11/20
the better part of the proposal is capping graduate loans at...
Disturbing useless giraffe step-uncle's house
  02/11/20
lol at lawfags here arguing detrimental reliance Literall...
Passionate Sepia Lay
  02/12/20
Cr. My taxes contract is hella long too
aggressive big church organic girlfriend
  02/12/20
President Obama suggested capping PSLF at only $57,500 for t...
Alcoholic corner filthpig
  02/12/20
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5848...
Alcoholic corner filthpig
  02/12/20
Absolutely devastating for PSLFmos
Laughsome Feces
  02/17/20
Sounds like the sovereign act defense is relatively weak.
Insecure crystalline menage liquid oxygen
  02/17/20
If we start to get rid of all these handout programs AND mak...
smoky adventurous den partner
  02/17/20
Bring back bankruptcy, too.
Insecure crystalline menage liquid oxygen
  02/17/20
cf, mini. Democratic presidential candidate Mike Bloombe...
Autistic nursing home national security agency
  02/18/20
Lol
Provocative glassy rehab
  02/18/20
lol just do keep throwing money at higher ed and refuse to f...
Laughsome Feces
  02/18/20
Fair criticism. What is Trump proposing to reduce the burden...
Autistic nursing home national security agency
  02/18/20
Proposed more funding for technical training and alternative...
Laughsome Feces
  02/18/20
Sounds pretty similar to Mini but only halfway, no?
Autistic nursing home national security agency
  02/18/20
Similar, but without the Pell Grant expansion. Trump can ...
Laughsome Feces
  02/18/20
Close the borders, let Americans take care of Americans.
Provocative glassy rehab
  02/18/20
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Dessert Fox
  11/03/25
what's the update? thank god, my boi and girl Biden-Kamala f...
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  11/03/25
He exempting organizations that violate federal law, particu...
gibberish (?)
  11/03/25


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Date: February 10th, 2020 2:52 PM
Author: Passionate Sepia Lay

LOL - unfucking real. People are gonna have insane balances

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39571900)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 9:24 PM
Author: excitant dilemma

PSLF WAS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE CUT EVENTUALLY YOU WELFARE-MONGERGING FREELOADERS. FUCK ALL WELFARE PSLF FAGGOTS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39585911)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:32 AM
Author: Razzmatazz mauve athletic conference hairy legs

lol @ PSLFmos:

Trump looks to kill student loan forgiveness program

As student debt continues to climb, President Donald Trump on Monday released a budget for 2021 that would slash many of the programs aimed at helping borrowers.

Student loan spending would be cut by $170 billion in Trump’s plan, titled “A Budget for America’s Future.” The reductions include “sensible annual and lifetime loan limits” for graduate students and parents and the end to subsidized loans, in which the government covers the interest for borrowers who are still in school or experiencing economic hardship.

It would also reduce the number of repayment options for borrowers and nix the popular, if challenged, public service loan forgiveness program.

That program, signed into law by President George W. Bush in 2007, allows not-for-profit and government employees to have their federal student loans canceled after 10 years of on-time payments. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau estimates that up to one-quarter of American workers are eligible.

“The Trump Administration already has a reputation of being anti-borrower,” said Mark Kantrowitz, a higher education policy expert. “This just takes it further.”

In all, Trump’s proposal would request $66.6 billion for the U.S. Department of Education, trimming the budget by $5.6 billion, or nearly 8%. The proposed cut is less steep than last year, when he called for a nearly 10% reduction in spending for the department.

Still, any cuts to student loan relief programs are unlikely to sit well with many voters.

Eighty percent of Americans agree that the government should make it easier for people with student debt to repay their loans, a study by The Pew Charitable Trusts found. Another poll found that nearly 60% of registered voters said they would support a plan to cancel all existing student loan debt.

Meanwhile, leading Democratic presidential candidates on the campaign trail are vowing to cancel the majority or all of the country’s outstanding student loan debt.

Bernie Sanders has proposed wiping out the country’s $1.6 trillion outstanding student loan tab.

Elizabeth Warren’s plan would cancel $50,000 in student debt for borrowers with household incomes of less than $100,000. People who earn between $100,000 and $250,000 would be eligible for forgiveness on a sliding scale.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/10/trump-proposes-end-to-student-loan-forgiveness-program.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575630)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:33 AM
Author: Appetizing Church Building

Sanders needs to win!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575632)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:34 AM
Author: Naked indian lodge

#MAGA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575635)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:36 AM
Author: sooty pea-brained goal in life

Holy shit

Fuck this kike nut sucking faggot boomer

Sanders has my vote not flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575638)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:36 AM
Author: Wine internal respiration

OH WHAT A POPULISM WE HAVE ENJOYED THESE 4 YEARS

*Bannon breakdancing in corner*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575641)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:39 AM
Author: Razzmatazz mauve athletic conference hairy legs

i thought bannon supported some kind of loan reform/forgiveness. scrapping PSLF is more of a paul ryanist/jinxian move.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575645)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:39 AM
Author: Appetizing Church Building

Making Papa Earl proud, if you will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575653)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:42 AM
Author: Wine internal respiration

that's the point.

the whole 'BANNON populism' promise has been utterly irrelevant from day 1. they ran him out of the administration within 9 months and filled the whole place with Jeb retreads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575660)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:43 AM
Author: sooty pea-brained goal in life

Titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575662)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:49 AM
Author: house-broken stage

That's what the Jew does. Uses "populism' to cuck the goy into putting him in power, then strikes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575677)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:39 AM
Author: house-broken stage

I think you meant *Shlomo & Kushner breakdancing in corner*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575646)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:43 AM
Author: Dashing kitty cat

Like 28% of the country has a college degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575661)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:44 AM
Author: Wine internal respiration

wow, that's hardly anybody...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575665)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:46 AM
Author: sooty pea-brained goal in life

Cr they probably only contribute 90% of taxes also

Fuck this FAGGOT MASONIC JAHBULON COCK SUCKING PEDO FUCKING COUNTRY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575670)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:48 AM
Author: Dashing kitty cat

CR. They're also concentrated in non-Trump states. So not only is it bad policy to cater for them in and of itself, but both numerically and electorally it's bad politics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575676)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:49 AM
Author: sooty pea-brained goal in life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575678)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:53 AM
Author: Wine internal respiration

36% of millennials have a college degree (many more with 'some college' which they are still paying for).

'Trump states' -- as though 101% of Trump voters are HS dropout HVAC techs who are now entirely economically secure for all time under the TRUMP ECONOMIC MIRACLE! this is idiotic reasoning.

student debt affects middle/working-class Trump voters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575694)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 6:00 AM
Author: Dashing kitty cat

72% of the country doesn't have a college degree. Wages for lower earners have been rising very well. LOL at you literally wanting to cut that down to pay for Sh'Variance and Ashlynne to get shitlib madrassa degrees.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575706)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 6:02 AM
Author: Wine internal respiration

god, you're retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575712)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 6:32 AM
Author: Dashing kitty cat

GRRR Trump needs to pay for swamp degrees!!!111ONEONE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575746)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:42 AM
Author: Hairraiser hell

We are literally having a blue collar boom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575906)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:46 AM
Author: Razzmatazz mauve athletic conference hairy legs

now do people who actually bother to vote.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575671)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:49 AM
Author: Dashing kitty cat

Now do average loan balances and now do what states they tend to live in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575679)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:48 AM
Author: house-broken stage

Fuck those goys!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575675)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:50 AM
Author: sooty pea-brained goal in life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575682)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:37 AM
Author: Navy wonderful office blood rage

Guess what.... right next to this every year in the presidents proposed budget to congress is a yuuge amount of money for the wall.

Of course that hasn't happened, and either will this. It's a proposal to congress that they will ignore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575895)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:51 AM
Author: misanthropic legend jap

Fuck this ttt shiteating faggot vote sanders

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575687)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:55 AM
Author: sooty pea-brained goal in life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575697)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:56 AM
Author: house-broken stage

he's a commie jew- and yes, he's cucking you too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575699)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 6:01 AM
Author: rambunctious chapel coldplay fan

lol 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575708)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 6:27 AM
Author: Boyish nubile coffee pot

Honest question: what in the federal PSLF terms that borrowers sign would give the Feds the ability to change this retroactively? How does this not result in a huge lawsuit if it actually happens? Especially given that there's already a huge lawsuit because DOE can't operate the program effectively. Not to mention that if Trump was looking for the best possible way to boost Dem turnout and spike volunteers for the Dem nom he's found it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575740)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 6:44 AM
Author: rambunctious chapel coldplay fan

AFAIK PSLF isn't in the loan note, and isn't even something you really apply for until you've made the qualifying number of payments, *and* isn't guaranteed but subject to the availability of funds. Heh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575762)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:11 AM
Author: Boyish nubile coffee pot

Based on what little I remember from the public interest careers presentations I mistakenly stumbled into in lol school, there's a fraud claim or at least a detrimental reliance theory in there somewhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575802)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:14 AM
Author: rambunctious chapel coldplay fan

fraud by the law schools for misrepresenting the program, possibly, sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575805)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 2:59 PM
Author: Plum property



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:10 AM
Author: sapphire marvelous national

Sovereignty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575799)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:08 AM
Author: Autistic nursing home national security agency

Sounds right for the GOP. Lots of tax breaks for billionaires - you're just starting out? Sorry nothing for you tehehhe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575795)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:09 AM
Author: sapphire marvelous national

The Democrats should have implemented his budget in 2018 and they'd easily win this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575798)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:13 AM
Author: Metal site

Lmao 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575804)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 2:57 PM
Author: pale medicated orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39578379)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:28 AM
Author: Navy wonderful office blood rage

He proposed this every year of his term. And it gets killed even by the GOP Congress. Dumb of him to propose, but not gonna happen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575875)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:35 AM
Author: Autistic nursing home national security agency



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:29 AM
Author: glittery lemon ceo persian

Amazing. Fuck deadbeats. Pay your debts like responsible people did.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575881)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:31 AM
Author: Autistic nursing home national security agency

Trump supporters aren't allowed to say this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575886)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:34 AM
Author: glittery lemon ceo persian

Most people who go to college have far higher incomes that people who do not go to college. It’s insane to take public money and transfer it to high income people. The high income people should just pay their debts. In the vast majority of cases, the debts are serviceable based on the salaries of the graduates. It’s rare when someone owes say $200k and makes $30k it happens from time to time but it is very unusual.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575889)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:37 AM
Author: Autistic nursing home national security agency

This is about aspiring PSLF recipients not high income earners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575897)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:09 AM
Author: Primrose Preventive Strike Death Wish

Got 120K wiped away tax free. How much does that hurt?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576508)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 12:58 PM
Author: pungent floppy temple sneaky criminal

Cr 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39577656)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 1:00 PM
Author: house-broken stage

(Brought to you by the Jewish Bankers Association)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39577668)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:35 AM
Author: Godawful Fluffy Range

These budgets are nothing but virtue signaling to his base, lol at this ever getting through Congress

That being said - Trumpmos, this is what your boy actually thinks of you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575893)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:38 AM
Author: Autistic nursing home national security agency

Ding ding ding

Populist MAGA emperor will happily drop billions for tax cuts for GC or funding Israel defense.

Loan forgiveness? Let them eat cake.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575899)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:40 AM
Author: Godawful Fluffy Range

Fiscal responsibility is very importa- *suitcase full of shekels and drone bombers spills across the Oval Office floor*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575902)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:49 AM
Author: charismatic salmon halford

Doesn’t even say it would be retroactive. Not saying it should be nixed completely but let’s be honest these programs aren’t sustainable as long as tuition keeps rising. If he caps the amounts allowed for graduate students like the article says that’s a big step.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575934)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 8:19 AM
Author: Godawful Fluffy Range

Why is this the "non sustainable" relief plan to get fully gutted instead of one of the billion boomer life rafts?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575984)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:58 AM
Author: talented bawdyhouse karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575956)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 8:20 AM
Author: Godawful Fluffy Range

Don't underestimate how this plays to his core base of non-degree having dumbs too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575986)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:44 AM
Author: talented bawdyhouse karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576388)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:54 AM
Author: burgundy concupiscible windowlicker set

Galleria, folks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576432)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:54 AM
Author: Turquoise Digit Ratio

hey ur a really smart special jew youll figure out how to pay those loans

:^)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576434)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 4:23 PM
Author: sooty pea-brained goal in life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39578838)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 4:26 PM
Author: sooty pea-brained goal in life

all in the game yo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39578854)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 12:45 PM
Author: house-broken stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39607506)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 12:48 PM
Author: Sticky 180 alpha weed whacker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39607520)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 1:00 PM
Author: stimulating theater stage cuck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39607566)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:56 AM
Author: soggy dog poop

100% correct. The comments on any news article about this will be riled up boomer truck drivers saying things like "SO MUCH FOR YOUR LIBERAL ARTS DEGREE NOW!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576442)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:47 AM
Author: gay magical parlour



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576399)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 8:03 AM
Author: buff sick reading party mediation

oh what a populist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39575962)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:48 AM
Author: flirting vigorous locale

The article doesn't say that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576402)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:51 AM
Author: soggy dog poop

BOOMERS



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576416)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:53 AM
Author: Turquoise Digit Ratio

180 fuck lawyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576427)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:55 AM
Author: jet-lagged brunch party of the first part

Good. Fuck you all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576438)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:58 AM
Author: Aromatic Charcoal Macaca Antidepressant Drug

The student loan issue will never be addressed until schools are incentivized to drop tuition and fees.

Why not have a tax on endowments that ratchets downward as the sticker price for school goes below certain levels (tuition + room & board)?

So for example, have an annual endowment tax of 20% that ratchets down to 0% if total yearly student costs are below $10k or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576451)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:11 AM
Author: irradiated snowy gas station travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576515)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:33 AM
Author: maize adulterous fat ankles people who are hurt

I have long thought of this - or have student debt be recourse to university endowments - so every student that attends and can't pay the university picks up the tab.

These ideas make too much sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576625)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:37 AM
Author: Aromatic Charcoal Macaca Antidepressant Drug

another way to do this is to permit more government grants/loans as sticker price goes down.

So for example, perhaps the govt gives you $0 for a school where sticker cost > $50k, $5k where sticker is $25k, and the full amount where sticker is < $10k. You could have it be a sliding scale all the way down.

Then students can say hey, why does this cost so much?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576680)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:42 AM
Author: Naked indian lodge

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576722)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 12:52 PM
Author: Insecure crystalline menage liquid oxygen

I've been impotently pushing claw backs/guarantees for years online. Welcome aboard!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39577626)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 1:09 PM
Author: maize adulterous fat ankles people who are hurt

Hopefully we can forcememe this into IRL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39577729)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 9:08 PM
Author: racy ticket booth gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39585845)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 9:10 PM
Author: racy ticket booth gaping

It’s the simplest, least disruptive “fix”. If your education is really worth $70K a year, fine, you guarantee the loans and the students shouldn’t have any problems. If not, well, maybe the price needs some adjustment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39585854)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:35 AM
Author: Turquoise Digit Ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576648)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 12:50 PM
Author: Insecure crystalline menage liquid oxygen

Bring back bankruptcy. Require schools to guarantee some portion of federally backed loans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39577609)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 1:00 PM
Author: pungent floppy temple sneaky criminal

Great idea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39577665)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 2:56 PM
Author: Dead Piazza

Horrible ideas. Why not just make college free and pay off all existing student loan debt?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39578377)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 12:59 PM
Author: stimulating theater stage cuck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39607564)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:34 AM
Author: Motley walnut nowag

Only affects new borrowers and he’s tried this like 3 times already and GOP turns him down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576635)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:39 AM
Author: Navy wonderful office blood rage

First half that is most important. And blows out OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576695)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:35 AM
Author: talented bawdyhouse karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576645)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:56 AM
Author: bright theatre

I'm all for crushing deadbeats and stopping handouts, but also in favor of encouraging public service. We do not want ALL below median prosecutors. Also, no way his "budget" actually passes so guessing it will remain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39576840)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 12:57 PM
Author: Metal site

Guy who couldn't get hired at prosecutors office here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39577648)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 2:53 PM
Author: bright theatre

School tier and class rank?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39578359)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 3:07 PM
Author: Pearly corn cake roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39578413)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 3:10 PM
Author: pale medicated orchestra pit

"Public service"

LJL

I can't believe what is considered "public service" these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39578436)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 12:43 PM
Author: Disturbing useless giraffe step-uncle's house

the better part of the proposal is capping graduate loans at $110K lifetime max.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39577565)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 8:54 PM
Author: Passionate Sepia Lay

lol at lawfags here arguing detrimental reliance

Literally you could make the same argument for taxes. You raised my taxes and I could have sold two years ago at lower so give me my lower tax rate!

Nope - sorry. Pay what you OWE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39585802)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 9:04 PM
Author: aggressive big church organic girlfriend

Cr. My taxes contract is hella long too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39585831)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 9:15 PM
Author: Alcoholic corner filthpig

President Obama suggested capping PSLF at only $57,500 for the 2015 budget. His own party resisted and the measure died.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39585872)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 9:21 PM
Author: Alcoholic corner filthpig

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58486ccae4b013b566b2ba54/amp

Public Service Loan Forgiveness and Breach of Contract Claims

Equal Justice Works

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Updated Mar 07, 2017

When a current borrower acquired a Federal Direct Loan from the federal government, the borrower signed a Master Promissory Note (“MPN”) which promised, among other things, eligibility for Public Service Loan Forgiveness (“PSLF”) upon the completion of certain conditions. In short, the current borrower maintains a contract with the federal government for PSLF. So if Congress passed a law that disrupted a contractual promise, i.e. PSLF, with current borrowers, does a claim for breach of contract exist?

When the government is a party to a contract, it is known as a “public contract” (as opposed to a “private contract”) and special rules apply. First, according to the Supreme Court, the government must consent to being sued, even in the event the government breaches a contract. The Tucker Act serves as the federal government’s consent to being sued for breach of contract. However, that statute only allows the government to consent to being sued for money damages, and thus the government cannot be compelled to complete a breached contract or required to stop the activity that led to the breached contract.

Second, the government has “sovereign defenses” that are not available to non-government parties. The two primary “sovereign defenses” are the (1) unmistakability doctrine, and (2) sovereign acts doctrine.

The two sovereign defenses, while technically separate defenses, typically work hand-in-hand. This is because courts will, in most cases, examine the defenses together. The way that these defenses work is best understood with an example.

David is a current borrower with loans covered by an MPN promising PSLF. In 2017, Congress passes an act repealing PSLF for current borrowers. This same year, David satisfies the requirements for PSLF and seeks to have his remaining loans forgiven. His request is denied. David then files a lawsuit in federal court alleging that the federal government has breached their contract with David by failing to forgive his loan balance. As usually happens, the federal government admits they breached the contract but argues that David is ineligible for damages because of ”sovereign defenses.”

The federal court in their analysis would first apply the “sovereign acts doctrine” defense. This defense would bar David’s claim if the government could prove that Congress’ new law is a “sovereign act.” A “sovereign act” is a law that is “public and general,” i.e. (1) designed to benefit the public welfare, (2) not designed to or does not have the primary effect of helping the government avoid its contractual obligations to current borrowers under PSLF, and (3) does not place the majority of the impact of the law on current borrowers under contract with the federal government.

If the court determined the law to not be a “sovereign act,” then the court would ignore the “unmistakability doctrine” defense, and allow David to proceed with his claim. While a court could decide either way on the issue, recent case law does exist where courts have held that new laws affecting repayment provisions on existing loan contracts to not be “sovereign acts.”

However, if the court determined the law to be a “sovereign act,” then the court would proceed with an analysis under the “unmistakability doctrine” defense. Under this defense, the court would look at David’s MPN to see whether or not the contract contained a provision that “unmistakably” confirmed that the government intended that the terms of the agreement not be affected by future laws. As no MPNs contain such a provision, the “unmistakability doctrine” defense would likely bar David’s contract claim from moving forward.

All in all, the reality is this: The Tucker Act makes the government eligible for breach of contract claims for damages. In the event Congress passes a law removing PSLF for current borrowers, and thus breaching MPNs, the success or failure of a borrower’s ability to bring such a claim likely comes down to whether or not courts consider such a law to be a “sovereign act.”

Equal Justice Works helps support public interest attorneys and law students learn more about income-driven repayment plans and PSLF. We have a debt relief newsletter, free student debt webinars, and a free student debt e-book, Take Control of Your Future.

Kenneth Strickland is the Student Debt Specialist at Equal Justice Works, where he works to ensure that public interest legal jobs remain accessible to all who desire them through engaging in education, outreach, and policy analysis centered around ensuring that an affordable legal education remains an option for everyone. Ken is a recent graduate from the University of North Carolina School of Law, and has worked with reputable public service organizations such as North Carolina Advocates for Justice, American Civil Liberties of North Carolina, and the North Carolina Poverty Research Fund.

This post was published on the now-closed HuffPost Contributor platform. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. If you need to flag this entry as abusive, send us an email.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39585901)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 12:51 PM
Author: Laughsome Feces

Absolutely devastating for PSLFmos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39607532)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 2:48 PM
Author: Insecure crystalline menage liquid oxygen

Sounds like the sovereign act defense is relatively weak.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39608050)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 12:52 PM
Author: smoky adventurous den partner

If we start to get rid of all these handout programs AND make it harder to get student loans maybe the boomer scum in higher education will drop tuition rates. Just a thought you losers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39607538)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 2:50 PM
Author: Insecure crystalline menage liquid oxygen

Bring back bankruptcy, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39608056)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:02 PM
Author: Autistic nursing home national security agency

cf, mini.

Democratic presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg on Tuesday released a new $700 billion higher education plan that calls for free community college and doubling Pell Grants for low-income students.

The former New York City mayor's proposal would significantly increase federal spending on higher education and aims to target those subsidies to lower-income families. It doesn’t go as far as proposals by other Democrats to eliminate tuition at public, four year universities for large swaths of students or provide student loan forgiveness on the scale that progressives have sought.

Bloomberg would eliminate tuition at community colleges for all students, embracing a proposal President Barack Obama first made in 2015 and that has since become a key pillar of Democratic higher education plans.

The plan also calls for making community college and four-year public colleges “debt-free” for low-income students, meaning they would not have to take out loans to finance tuition or other costs like books, food and transportation. The benefit would be available to families that earn, on average, less than $30,000 a year, according to the Bloomberg campaign.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/18/mike-bloomberg-community-college-student-loans-115703

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39613822)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:06 PM
Author: Provocative glassy rehab

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39613854)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:14 PM
Author: Laughsome Feces

lol just do keep throwing money at higher ed and refuse to force them to lower expenses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39613874)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:17 PM
Author: Autistic nursing home national security agency

Fair criticism. What is Trump proposing to reduce the burden of the cost of education on students? Besides gutting PSLF of course

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39613890)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:23 PM
Author: Laughsome Feces

Proposed more funding for technical training and alternatives to the traditional four year degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39613915)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:25 PM
Author: Autistic nursing home national security agency

Sounds pretty similar to Mini but only halfway, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39613935)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:34 PM
Author: Laughsome Feces

Similar, but without the Pell Grant expansion.

Trump can be criticized on this front as well. No one has any interest in going after higher ed costs even though its a winning issue with millenials.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39613967)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 6:59 PM
Author: Provocative glassy rehab

Close the borders, let Americans take care of Americans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#39614328)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 12:50 PM
Author: Dessert Fox



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#49397805)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 12:51 PM
Author: '''''"'"''"'

what's the update? thank god, my boi and girl Biden-Kamala forgave $250k of my loans. i repaid them by voting for Trump. feels good to pull up the ladder like a boomer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#49397809)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 1:07 PM
Author: gibberish (?)

He exempting organizations that violate federal law, particularly by harboring illegal aliens.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2!#49397871)