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Ecclesiastes seems to inhabit phenomenologically the crucifixion of opposites
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:39 PM Author: Consuela (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977433) |
Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:40 PM Author: dat rigor isnt it just about a depressed jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977438) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:42 PM Author: Consuela He’s depressed because everything is Vanity, ephemeral, nothing lasts
He spends the time in the text testing various containers - money, power, sex, etc - finding everything wanting |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:43 PM Author: dat rigor isn't that lack "fulfilled" later on with the dead, hanging jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977444) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:45 PM Author: Consuela Bartholomew in his academic exegesis of Ecclesiastes argues that, yes, but I see it as an offloading of the agony of the crucifixion of opposites (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977446) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:46 PM Author: dat rigor i think every christian in history thinks jesus was the Christ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977447) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:47 PM Author: Consuela Sure, my point is that it’s hard to read Ecclesiastes for what it is when one thinks the problems it wrestles with in a very painful way have been superseded
But the problems it deals with are a constant part of being alive |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:48 PM Author: dat rigor that begs the question of whether you need to read it that way at all, or whether it's an inaccurate and misguided misanthropy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977450) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:48 PM Author: Consuela No one else seems to have read it that way, so I think it’s a novel approach
I’ll be writing about it soon |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:51 PM Author: John Robert's wigger drug addict son There is nothing new under the sun (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977455) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:54 PM Author: Consuela (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977461) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:56 PM Author: John Robert's wigger drug addict son You should get a ThM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977465) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:56 PM Author: dat rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977467) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:57 PM Author: Consuela For what purpose? I don’t care to be a professor or academic, I don’t need the rubber stamp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977468) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:01 PM Author: John Robert's wigger drug addict son Because you have no idea what you’re talking about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977476) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:16 PM Author: Consuela you're welcome to offer your interpretation, champ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977491) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:24 PM Author: dat rigor im not following here. what is your interpretation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977497) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:29 PM Author: Consuela thesis of the post will be roughly as follows, although i have some more sources to read first
the oscillation in Ecclesiastes that has puzzled commentators from the rabbinic debates at Jamnia to Bartholomew’s modern analysis is the phenomenological record of someone performing the crucifixion of opposites under a god-image that contains evil but lacks the vocabulary to name what it contains. Each time Qohelet finds a provisional foothold (wisdom is better than folly, enjoyment is a gift, companionship has value) he immediately tests it against the structural reality he has observed and finds it insufficient. The foothold is real but it cannot hold the weight of a condition that admits no permanent resolution. Every available interpretive framework (orthodox Jewish, Christian, secular academic) requires the oscillation to resolve in a direction it never takes: the religious Jewish reader needs it to end in “fear God and keep the commandments", the Christian reader needs it to end in Christ, the secular pessimist reader needs it to be a cry of despair, the academic structuralist catalogs its polar opposites without asking what generates them, but none of these readings can sit still in the oscillation itself. The Abraxian framework can, because it has a name for the structural condition Qohelet is navigating without being able to name. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:39 PM Author: Ricky the very beginning of Kohelet in hebrew is quite literally a confirmation of the Demiurge or Firstborn Angel creating this realm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977529) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:41 PM Author: dat rigor sounds like a fucking yugioh episode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977530) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:43 PM Author: forum doesn?t work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977536) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:47 PM Author: Consuela he refers to god only as "elohim" throughout, never as "yahweh", because he is referring imo to ein sof, not a tribal lesser god
ecclesiastes is really quite subversive re: authority which is why they had to affix some lame trite conclusion on at the end, its a wonder that rabbinical authorities included it in the official corpus |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:58 PM Author: Ricky ein sof is not elohim, elohim is the demiurge aka metatron and samael (and host of other angels (fallen?) rephaim), havayah is the name of god closer to the ein sof
yahweh is somethign else entirely
he uses differnet names throughut it, i wrote this in taht other poast, the haval hevalim thing being teh 6 days of creation under the demiurge/elohim
he's lamenting how sps the elohim creation is |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:50 PM Author: sup killa (πΎπ£) If you have a shit life just stay in your lane my brothers, eat your fill, get loaded, sing and dance, YOLO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2"#49977556) |