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Why didn’t Charlie Kirk have awesome security after the whole Butler thing
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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:47 AM Author: charles XII Like it would’ve seemed excessive before that, but after that attempt, 1. You have to worry about Copycats, 2. Having what seemed excessive before — such as Drones flying everywhere — wouldn’t annoy the venues as much and donors would pay for it.
Also why do security guards have such short field of vision cones irl such as those of guards in MGS? This is an exploitable weakness if the assassin has soliton radar and nanomachines or just a Scope. That kid was laying prone on the roof for probably 5 or 15 or 30 minutes waiting for the opportune moment to strike (the second he mentioned Trans Shooters), and people were recording him in exactly the same way they did Crooks. |
Date: September 15th, 2025 10:49 AM Author: Charlie Kirk lol what. he's not President, running for President, or even a major politician. why would he think that that level of security is warranted. Trump had dozens of officers and secret service protecting him at butler and that shit still happened. Kirk can't afford that kind of security detail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49270966) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:50 AM Author: Check out my wishlist! Some dood on a rooftop profiling would be easily noticed with a cheap drone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49270976) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:51 AM Author: Charlie Kirk the reality is that if there are crazy people who want to come after you they probably can. no-one is totally safe in this country. he cant have security 24/7/365, he's not the President. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49270982) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:56 AM Author: charles XII But this guy was just some faggot and the point I’m making is that he might’ve been on the roof for a long time. It would be totally different if he setup and got the shot off within 90 seconds or less like a real pro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49270998) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:03 AM Author: Charlie Kirk look we are dancing around the real issue here. he should have just done indoor events rather than outdoor events. it's impossible to control a crowd outdoors. and the bigger correlation with Butler is that both were outdoors. If he just did indoor events the risk drops massively. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271025) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:08 AM Author: charles XII He had hubris bc he was Tall imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271038) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:03 AM Author: Check out my wishlist! Sure but he had like 8 guys as security, you can have one dweeb with a drone zooming around while you give your Facts Not Feelings speech (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271027) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:07 AM Author: Charlie Kirk I'm not saying his security was impressive. that should all be evaluated. looks like two of them were just standing behind him, hardly paying attention when the incident happened.
any job where barely anything ever happens the people get lazy. look at the security person at any office building front desk. they're always on their phones playing candy crush because nothing ever happens. they're supposed to be alert for the one time something happens but given that 99.999999% of the time nothing does they get comfortable getting paid to do nothing. |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:10 AM Author: charles XII Why don’t you like Drones (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271047) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:12 AM Author: Charlie Kirk I don't dislike them. are we sure they didn't use drones at all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271055) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:15 AM Author: charles XII Imo it’s easier to be alert when piloting a drone than it is standing outside with 5000 stimuli from the crowd in front of you, and your mind probably either daydreaming or checking out Hot College Girls. I was personally in attendance iirc and I didn’t see drones btw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271069) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:16 AM Author: Charlie Kirk yes true.
you were in attendance? not flame? |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:17 AM Author: charles XII Yeah I’m his Producer or was 😔 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271074) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:19 AM Author: Charlie Kirk flame? ur Charles moniker is different than the one that posted the other day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271082) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:22 AM Author: charles XII That guy was full of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271094) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:22 AM Author: Charlie Kirk well this doesn't really make sense bro. if you're his producer why are you asking us about his security being lacking? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271096) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:25 AM Author: charles XII 1. He didn’t tell me everything 2. I barely got invited to anything 3. I got hired as a Favor to a mutual acquaintance in right wing media |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:15 AM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,. "would be easily noticed with a cheap drone"
Do you imagine that security is constantly flying drones around? |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:25 AM Author: charles XII They should start. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271104) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:51 AM Author: charles XII But the secret service is just incompetent. I don’t mean upgrading security by 100-fold. I just mean Kirk himself buying the guys binoculars and telling them to use them. And furthermore just hiring Losers to fly drones around. Or really volunteers. He had volunteers iirc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49270979) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:52 AM Author: Charlie Kirk hindsight is 20/20. he did have security there, they were standing right behind him when he was shot. could he have invested more? probably. but he's done like 1000 of these events, dozens since Butler. he got too comfortable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49270988) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:59 AM Author: charles XII Obviously he did get too comfortable because it’s like “oh I didn’t get shot at, we’re good,” but that’s not how these things work, and you don’t get to just get shot and not killed nbd like Trump or Reagan if you’re a millennial. Also imo his Neck and Expanded Skull were immense and if the assassin took a shot at some pencil neck like Podesta or someone with a small head/brain like Kamala he’d definitely miss. This should’ve been part of the risk assessment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271011) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:02 AM Author: Charlie Kirk fair but there are tons of other right and left wing influencers who have not been shot. how could he predict he'd be the one? so it's really a call, do you want to spend millions over the course of your life on upgraded security when this only happens to 1/1000 people? In hindsight the answer is obvious, spending millions on safety to save your life is worth it. but when the issue is just theoretical most people will not spend the money or time on it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271018) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:07 AM Author: charles XII What do you think his Detail looked like? I think it was just the guys we can see. Because once you expand out the area needed to canvass grows exponentially.
I also think it costs less than you think but only if he’d DIY it somewhat because security bros are retarded, like give them binoculars, tell them what drones are, etc. instead of 3-5 guys just see like 12, plus Losers flying drones. |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:08 AM Author: Charlie Kirk poster above says he had 8 guys. that's already a lot of money to spend for a small private business-- he's not Tim Cook. yes they seemed ineffective as shit. I am not saying they did a good job, obviously... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271043) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:51 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Mark Judge just wrote an article about this. Judge thinks that conservatives are too trusting about physical safety. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49270980) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:52 AM Author: ,...,.,,.,,..,,,,,,....., He could have spent more on security but that would have been money that wasn't spent on more productive things
The real point that should be made is that young conservative white guys would work security for people like Kirk *for free* if they weren't afraid of state and panopticon reprisal for being involved in such activities. If conservatives were allowed to operate paramilitary groups like antifa, things would be a lot different. The Trump admin can and should publicly encourage this |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:03 AM Author: charles XII Do you know those movie directors who are good at getting Films made for smallish budgets? The same thing applies to Business. You can spend $250,000,000k making slop or get District 9 made for a few million. He had Volunteers. Volunteers can fly Drones. Yeah hindsight is 20/20. Im aware of the current date. Also he had $11,000,000k. Maybe he should’ve had a more poastery net worth of like $3m and paid a few more guards nbd. Just stating opinions. |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:54 AM Author: UhOh it would cost a fortune. he was always out in public, that was his whole schtick. also wouldn't look great as a man-of-the-people, walking-with-the-lord type to be so defensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49270994) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:02 AM Author: Charlie Kirk cr
the real solution here would have been to just do indoor events rather than outdoor events. |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:56 AM Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,.,::,...,..,:,..,.. because he isn't president and doesn't have SS detail? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271001) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:03 AM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,.,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. I mean let’s be honest…it doesn’t matter what he was paying his security. nobody was going to take a bullet for him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271022) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:08 AM Author: turbo faggot Why didn’t Trump have awesome security after Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Roosevelt, Kennedy, and Reagan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271042) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:13 AM Author: charles XII Imo they could have better than Trump’s SS detail if they’d use drones. MGS2 had drones. They’re effective imo. I understand the snipers behind Trump not spotting crooks even because they had a narrow FOV and didn’t have spotters right by them. And the detail around Trump was absorbed by the crowd. I really and truly think that guards irl have short FOV cones which proves once again that Kojima is a genius. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271061) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:18 AM Author: cock of michael obama read this post about the costs of security if you actually want an answer:
https://treeofwoe.substack.com/p/the-chilling-effect-of-violence |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:21 AM Author: Charlie Kirk 800k a year is actually less than I thought. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271087) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:18 AM Author: Yankel Rosenbaum ((zurich is stained)) unfortunately for him, he was the canary in the coalmine - talking head culture warriors are at risk now. he maybe should have known that given the healthcare CEO assassination, but i could see how he figured hey i'm just a politith threader guy, nobody wants me dead.
he really should have been doing indoor events only, with metal detectors in place. everyone after him will probably follow insane security procedures. |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:21 AM Author: Charlie Kirk honestly, the healthcare CEO guy seems even more random to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271093) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:23 AM Author: charles XII He had Luigi and Butler as canaries imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271097) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 12:04 PM Author: Yankel Rosenbaum ((zurich is stained)) not butler. that was blondlad drumpgth, who was running for prez and Literally Hitler.
the CEO, yes, but again the guy was a CEO of a healthcare company. those outfits are just evil as shit.
there was enough that he should have been more cautious but i can see why he didn't think people like him would be targeted |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:44 AM Author: Paralegal Mohammad (Death, death to the IDF!) It just shows how relatively easy it is for these guys to get got (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271160) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 11:47 AM Author: charles XII It’s easy to Deport you imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5775169&forum_id=2"#49271182) |
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Date: September 15th, 2025 12:07 PM Author: peeface why didn't some random guy travel around the country in a security bubble better than that provided by the Secret Service to high government officials, you ask
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