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Why are veteran suicides so high wrt Iraq and Afghanistan experience
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Date: August 21st, 2025 4:31 AM Author: mental health break The numbers are something like ~8,000 veteran combat deaths and nearly 60k post-conflict suicides (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49199828) |
Date: August 21st, 2025 8:25 AM Author: Rich Innerlife existential despair at the pointlessness of it all? 20 fucking years of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49199991) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 8:39 AM Author: biglaw associate asking if link is worksafe @ 11pm Realized they were fighting for jewish overlords and not their country (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49200019) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:20 PM Author: mental health break (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49202255) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 8:42 AM Author: KarIstack (Retired) (🧐) it's the "disability"->infinite opiate rx->killself pipeline, although 60k seems unbelievably high (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49200024) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:46 AM Author: Burgergeld (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49200149) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2025 7:50 AM Author: mental health break I think 60k is a conservative estimate. I've seen higher guesses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49206524) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 8:58 AM Author: kikearoni They saw and in many cases did a lot of extremely fucked up shit
I was in booze rehab/mental health inpatient for 2mos with a lot of Iraq/afghanistan vets and heard some fucking horrendous stories
Not to mention, they’re millennials so the above is on top of all the other very good reasons millennials have to commit suicide. Boomers got back from Nam and their Goldman Sachs partner track jobs & $10,000 NYC townhomes were waiting for them. |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:56 PM Author: Risten Broad strokes of the most horrendous stories? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49202374) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:26 AM Author: ...,....,,........ Both wars were fucking pointless.
20 years of doing horrible shit to people WHO DID NOT WANT US THERE.
Now they look back and all they have to show for it is a VA Home Loan, but prices are so out of whack they still can't afford anything. |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:28 AM Author: jew hater This might sound crazy but maybe it had something to do with getting raped by scheming jews while the country got flooded with scammy third world nigger retards (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49200106) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:29 AM Author: i gave my cousin head lol at the thought of leaving a ten year tour in iraq and seeing all of the same mudslime goat fuckers living in the usa for free on ur dime when u get back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49200113) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:33 AM Author: Rich Innerlife what would have become of Pat Tillman if he survived? surely he could not just go back to the National Fraud League after what he had seen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49200124) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2025 10:20 PM Author: mental health break these wars were fought on behalf of and at the behest of israel, btw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49206086) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2025 8:02 AM Author: Ample Bosom (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49206531) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:19 PM Author: mental health break This is correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49202254) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:34 AM Author: Sniggleur IME the army tends to attract a lot of people without meaningful economic potential. Then it sends them on an awesome, high-adrenaline adventure or two for a year at a time. Eventually you wake up and realize the deployments have left your home life destabilized or destroyed, you spend more time filling out 1380s, 5960, and other worthless paperworks than you spend outside, and shooting people at 500 yards with an M240B doesn’t translate in a civilian job that can pay a mortgage. At that point it feels like it’s all downhill so why not check out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49200126) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:29 PM Author: disaster capitalist >shooting people at 500 yards with an M240B doesn’t translate in a civilian job that can pay a mortgage
they could kill feral hogs in TX but maybe that's harder than people idk |
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Date: August 22nd, 2025 9:37 PM Author: STEPHEN MILLER (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49206013) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:46 AM Author: Burgergeld Recruitment standards were lowered a lot during GWOT Very long wars, enlisted kept redeploying Amerikkkan kkkulture is more fucked up now than during Vietnam, much easier to get harder drugs and more anomie |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:31 PM Author: STEPHEN MILLER (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49202287) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 9:52 PM Author: I need war Xbox and white monster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49202355) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 10:47 PM Author: mental health break Typical victim blaming (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49202640) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 10:47 PM Author: When I grow up I want to be a pumo One feature of the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars was the likelihood of multiple deployments. In the Vietnam era, you went once and you were done. Unless you wanted to make a career out of the military, you just had to survive your year and then you could move on. And even that still broke a lot of vets.
Iraq and Afghanistan weren't like that, because the powers that be weren't willing to institute a draft. Once you came home, you had to keep looking over your shoulder for years to come, because you might have to go back. It kept a lot of people from fully letting go of what they had experienced. |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 10:54 PM Author: Risten When on that shivering winter’s night, the Pequod thrust her vindictive bows into the cold malicious waves, who should I see standing at her helm but Bulkington! I looked with sympathetic awe and fearfulness upon the man, who in mid-winter just landed from a four years’ dangerous voyage, could so unrestingly push off again for still another tempestuous term. The land seemed scorching to his feet. Wonderfullest things are ever the unmentionable; deep memories yield no epitaphs; this six-inch chapter is the stoneless grave of Bulkington. Let me only say that it fared with him as with the storm-tossed ship, that miserably drives along the leeward land. The port would fain give succor; the port is pitiful; in the port is safety, comfort, hearthstone, supper, warm blankets, friends, all that’s kind to our mortalities. But in that gale, the port, the land, is that ship’s direst jeopardy; she must fly all hospitality; one touch of land, though it but graze the keel, would make her shudder through and through. With all her might she crowds all sail off shore; in so doing, fights ’gainst the very winds that fain would blow her homeward; seeks all the lashed sea’s landlessness again; for refuge’s sake forlornly rushing into peril; her only friend her bitterest foe!
Know ye now, Bulkington? Glimpses do ye seem to see of that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore?
But as in landlessness alone resides highest truth, shoreless, indefinite as God—so, better is it to perish in that howling infinite, than be ingloriously dashed upon the lee, even if that were safety! For worm-like, then, oh! who would craven crawl to land! Terrors of the terrible! is all this agony so vain? Take heart, take heart, O Bulkington! Bear thee grimly, demigod! Up from the spray of thy ocean-perishing—straight up, leaps thy apotheosis! |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 11:20 PM Author: TheClub i read a pretty convincing essay to the effect that the afghan deployment experience in particular was very similar to what men are hardwired for - living and fighting for survival with like 30 of your bros. losing that was actually what fucked them up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49202733) |
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Date: August 21st, 2025 11:45 PM Author: mental health break i think the crassly worded but essentially true Date: August 21st, 2025 9:28 AM Author: jew hater
This might sound crazy but maybe it had something to do with getting raped by scheming jews while the country got flooded with scammy third world nigger retards
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2#49200106 had a lot to do with it. and on deployment the psychological cracks were beginning to show according to many many reports that i've read. there aren't too many similarities between what you describe and the contemporary military experience imo |
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Date: August 23rd, 2025 7:50 AM Author: When I grow up I want to be a pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49206523) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2025 9:37 PM Author: STEPHEN MILLER (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon) I think GWOT guys largely fall into two camps: those who saw plenty of action and those who didn't.
For guys in the first camp, it's exactly the process that Sniggle outlines above -- after smoking towelheads with machine guns and explosives, it's very hard to go back to normal life and feel especially satisfied. Furthermore, many of the guys who are the best at this, or derived the most meaning from it, struggle in the civilian world. Without external structure and pressure, they are bad at self-motivating, and they don't see good ways to do exciting things and pay the bills. The last 10 minutes of The Hurt Locker are great at showing this. Additionally, upon leaving the military, a lot of their support structure and friend group evaporates -- even if you're still tight with your boys, they're in different cities, and like a third of the time they're out of the country. Very easy for guys to be atomized and isolated.
The second camp of guys are extremely disillusioned with the institution and the country. Like the first group, they are motivated by excitement and struggle and hardship, and like the first group they struggle to find it in the civilian world. However, they also didn't really get it in the military either and they are incredibly disillusioned with that. I know Green Berets that have never gone on target because ROE have been so restrictive the past 10 years. A lot of guys that get out from this group struggle with a ton of ennui and finding ways to find meaning.
In my experience, the guys that kill themselves are not the ones that are highly invested in politics. The ones invested in politics have found something about which to be angry, and in which to find meaning. |
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Date: August 23rd, 2025 7:48 AM Author: When I grow up I want to be a pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49206522) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2025 10:17 PM Author: ponyboy curtis (If I May, tp) My big thing was killing explosive-laden children, listening to our "partners" buttfuck not-yet-explosive-laden children, and then *not* killing our "partners" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49206081) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2025 7:57 AM Author: ..,.,.,,,,.,.,..,.,,,.,..,,.,.,,, I don’t know much about the particulars of the military experience, but psychologists say that one hurdle to normal people committing suicide is simply the instinctive fear of death and bodily harm. It causes people to involuntarily abort suicide attempts last minute. You need an experience to push you past that fear—it can be intolerable physical pain, drugs, self harm “practice” like cutting, or the experience of being close to others who have died or the experience of inflicting violence on others. So, as a population , military bros are preconditioned to commit suicide in a way that normal people aren’t. Doesn’t explain everything but important factor when comparing to overall rates or civilian rates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49206526) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2025 8:01 AM Author: When I grow up I want to be a pumo Coming home from the war was a surreal experience. It was a kaleidoscope of different emotions, all intensely felt.
Hypervigilance was a big one. From the moment I turned in my rifle, I felt unsafe. Whenever I walked around at night, I anticipated that someone was going to jump out of the bushes and attack me. I could no longer stay in certain places and get a good night's sleep. I was paranoid that someone might break in. I felt safest in cheap motel rooms, because there was only one door and I could deadbolt it.
At the same time, I felt incredible joy, really ecstasy, to have survived. Sometimes it felt like nothing else mattered and I would never have another problem in my life after what I had overcome. Sometimes it was like floating in a swimming pool of bliss.
But that led to thoughts of what I had missed while I was gone, and everything that I wanted to do with the gift of life that I had been given. Which sometimes turned to ambition and even megalomania, sometimes depression over how far I had to go.
It was like nothing else. |
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Date: August 23rd, 2025 8:18 AM Author: '"'"''"'"'''"''" I worked for the VA for over five years and worked briefly on one of their suicide prevention programs. There are multiple factors behind this: untreated mental health issues after leaving the military, difficulty accessing VA health care, veterans who commit suicide are in the highest-risk demographic to begin with (young men), stigma around mental illness in the military that persists after leaving the military, many/most skills learned in the military don't translate to civilian jobs, making it difficult to find relevant work, pain if they have physical injuries from their service, simple lack of awareness of services provided by the VA, etc.
The VA does go to great lengths to provide mental health support to veterans -- the quality of the health care services it offers is consistently rated as one of the best if not the best in the country. They have social workers who'll drive over an hour just to see a veteran who's unwilling and/or unable to visit a VA facility. But it's clearly not enough and doesn't address all factors behind the high suicide rate, which as a whole are a broader social problem and not just a mental health problem. |
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Date: August 23rd, 2025 9:10 AM Author: I need war Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5764501&forum_id=2),#49206571) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2025 8:20 AM Author: Ample Bosom I almost served. I think about suicide multiple times a day.
Thoughts and prayers |