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Is science and technology because of X-ianity or in spite of it?

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Metaphysics is Gay
  04/12/26
Stories lead to art. Art leads to religion. Religion leads t...
some on social media
  04/12/26
Yes, and it used to be the case that the same Thinkers were ...
oomox
  04/12/26
The "because" case is stronger than secular progre...
in the naked
  04/12/26
Interesting, ty!
oomox
  04/12/26
add to your last paragraph the Great Commission (even if act...
Der Krieg
  04/12/26
Both.
Sex & Love Addict
  04/12/26


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Date: April 12th, 2026 4:54 PM
Author: Metaphysics is Gay



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Date: April 12th, 2026 5:03 PM
Author: some on social media

Stories lead to art. Art leads to religion. Religion leads to philosophy. Philosophy leads to technology.

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Date: April 12th, 2026 5:15 PM
Author: oomox

Yes, and it used to be the case that the same Thinkers were contributing to theology, other areas of philosophy, AND the pursuit of scientific knowledge. I'm not sure how recent a development this religious anti-intellectualism is. I know that as we've discovered more things, more of our knowledge about the universe has been at odds with literal readings of religious texts. But I don't think religious philosophers before the 20th century would've stomped their feet and said, "NO I'M NOT LISTENING" if faced with some empirical fact that contradicted their religious beliefs. That seems like more of a modern thing.

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Date: April 12th, 2026 5:10 PM
Author: in the naked

The "because" case is stronger than secular progressives usually admit.

The specific theological commitments of Latin Christianity created preconditions for the scientific program that weren't present in other sophisticated civilizations that should have produced modern science by materialist-diffusionist logic but didn't. China had more advanced technology than Europe for most of the medieval period — Needham's multi-volume documentation of this is overwhelming — but didn't produce the scientific revolution. Islamic civilization preserved and extended Greek mathematics and astronomy at a higher level than the Latin West for centuries, produced genuine giants like Ibn al-Haytham and al-Biruni, and then didn't continue the trajectory. Why?

The specific Christian theological contribution was probably the doctrine of creation ex nihilo combined with divine voluntarism. If God created the world freely from nothing, the world didn't have to be the way it is — it's contingent, not necessary. Which means you cannot deduce its structure from first principles the way Aristotle thought you could. You have to look. Empirical investigation becomes theologically mandated because the world's order is God's free choice, not logical necessity. This is Francis Bacon's explicit argument. It's Galileo's implicit argument. The idea that nature is a book written by God in the language of mathematics — Galileo's actual phrase — is a theological claim that motivates the mathematical physics program.

Add to this the monasteries as knowledge-preservation and transmission infrastructure, the university system as an ecclesiastical invention, the specific Scholastic tradition of rational disputation as a method for resolving contradictory authorities — all of these are Christian institutional contributions without which the Renaissance recovery of Greek learning doesn't happen on the timeline it did.

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Date: April 12th, 2026 5:25 PM
Author: oomox

Interesting, ty!

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Date: April 12th, 2026 6:13 PM
Author: Der Krieg (πŸΎπŸ‘£)

add to your last paragraph the Great Commission (even if actual advancements in navigation and transport were motivated by greed, it oiled the machinery of everything needed in the Tech Tree to get to modern ideas and their enforcement)

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Date: April 12th, 2026 5:26 PM
Author: Sex & Love Addict

Both.

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