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6’2.5” 180lbs still fat

Ok not really fat, but I am not shredded. Still have some l...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  08/25/25
how much can you squat/dl/bench?
Embarrassed To The Bone Plum Puppy
  08/25/25
Don’t know. I only work out at home and I am not goin...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  08/25/25
(guy struggling to hit 130)
cheese-eating turdskin
  08/26/25
ok well what were your sets like the last time you did each?...
Embarrassed To The Bone Plum Puppy
  08/26/25
Two plates squat (bad knee), maxed out bench at just under 3...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  08/26/25
Try some of the Flint & Tinder stuff. The fit may work ...
coral talented senate
  08/25/25
Thank, but those are not really dress shirts. Maybe I need ...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  08/25/25
Ew at place going
coral talented senate
  08/26/25
Wtf? Mods!
titillating goal in life
  08/26/25
Describe the increase in pussy this has annealed to you
Khaki motley useless brakes
  08/26/25
GFNLHMA inspired me to this lifestyle. God bless her.
big nighttime messiness lodge
  08/26/25
Are you slow? You can't add 2lbs of muscle on a diet of 1...
cheese-eating turdskin
  08/26/25
I am slow. I have been gaining muscle with 1000-1500 (show ...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  08/26/25
Your body only converts fat to energy when it doesn't have a...
up-to-no-good amber incel
  09/05/25
Amazon essentials dress shirts (slim fit, Oxford, Oxford str...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  08/30/25
179lbs Decided to get close to maintenance calories and ...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/05/25
Basal metabolic rate by height; 6’2.5: 2100 6&rsqu...
Racy ultramarine gaping toaster
  09/05/25
5’7”: -100
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/05/25
XO is incredibly dumb when it comes to fitness advice. If yo...
Galvanic peach immigrant faggot firefighter
  09/05/25
This is demonstrably wrong. If you were an athlete who lift...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/05/25
...
Hairraiser national nowag
  09/05/25
lmao retard
Hairraiser national nowag
  09/05/25
is anyone irl giving you shit about being "too skinny&q...
jade headpube shrine
  09/05/25
What’s your Waist
Racy ultramarine gaping toaster
  09/05/25
Anything >32 is an embarrasment
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/05/25
idk dont measure it but ive never worn pants bigger than 34....
jade headpube shrine
  09/05/25
Ya, at 220 your gut is overhanging a 32 or even 34 waist pan...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/06/25
Ya, GFNLHMA said I was getting “too thin.” I we...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/05/25
...
jade headpube shrine
  09/05/25
...
Hairraiser national nowag
  09/06/25
176lbs. Messed around with eating some carbs insofar as I a...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/11/25
the problem here is that you are a twink. you would be doing...
yellow hall love of her life
  09/11/25
Fair, but I have a two pack and shadows of a four pack now s...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/11/25
Brad Pitt is not a good goal physique. There's this pic of h...
yellow hall love of her life
  09/11/25
It’s a good goal for me because I won’t ever be ...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/11/25
You have an eating disorder check your T levels. This is a f...
Lilac legal warrant range
  09/16/25
I have such high T when I take my shirt off it looks like I ...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/16/25
You're not gaining anything from that excess of protein.
~~(> ' ' )>
  10/21/25
Not sure what happened, but I was 175lbs this am. Long ...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/16/25
"Maybe it was the intense work out yesterday evening. I...
yellow hall love of her life
  09/16/25
Thank. I think my maintenance is around 1800-2000. I have t...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/16/25
You said you lifted for 2 hours. If you are doing that 4 tim...
yellow hall love of her life
  09/17/25
What supplements? Thank
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/17/25
if you don't want to do everything piecemeal you can take Or...
yellow hall love of her life
  09/18/25
Thank, other than glucosamine and condroitan [sic] I have go...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/19/25
OP -- your idea of a "healthy diet" is that of a r...
titillating goal in life
  09/17/25
What should I eat then?
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/17/25
Eggs (organic pasture raised) Beef (Organic, grass fed/fini...
titillating goal in life
  09/18/25
Other than nuts (they are calorie dense and I could sit and ...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/18/25
Do you abide by all of the qualifiers I included? Also, ...
titillating goal in life
  09/20/25
Yes, of the ones I eat except beef as I get a lot of differe...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/20/25
Bumped up to 177 (was probably depleted when I was 175 a few...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/19/25
Lost a belt hole and noticeably flatter stomach, but back up...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/26/25
There was some supplement that lots of lifters back in the d...
titillating goal in life
  09/26/25
Thank
big nighttime messiness lodge
  09/26/25
Halp
big nighttime messiness lodge
  10/01/25
Averaged 1725 calories and 152 grams of protein a day for Se...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  10/05/25
If you're trying to get jacked, high volume PPL split with D...
Hairraiser national nowag
  10/05/25
Hey man did you see my thread? Ill bump it
orange church kitty cat
  10/05/25
No, haven't been on much Link it
Hairraiser national nowag
  10/07/25
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751278&mc=250&a...
orange church kitty cat
  10/07/25
That’s pretty much what I am doing. Fighting off the ...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  10/08/25
Here's a split for you. Each day, everything is in one rep r...
Hairraiser national nowag
  10/09/25
Thank. I just bought more plates on prime day so I can do h...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  10/09/25
Going to just short of failure produces the same stimulus, b...
Hairraiser national nowag
  10/09/25
Thank. Pec deck. Barbell bench. Anything really heavy wit...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  10/09/25
I don't have any pec deck stuff in here. Fuck a smith ma...
Hairraiser national nowag
  10/10/25
Post a picture
orange church kitty cat
  10/09/25
I am not good at the Internet such that I could do that with...
big nighttime messiness lodge
  10/09/25
I bought a barbell and 260lbs of plates on prime day. They ...
Drunkard
  10/20/25
Not going to hurt yourself. 1. Yes, buy another set of 45...
STEPHEN MILLER
  10/21/25
Thank. Been working too much to do your split legit, but at...
Drunkard
  10/21/25
You will progress faster if you don't. Doing 5x3 at 352, 336...
STEPHEN MILLER
  10/21/25
part of your problem with 'still fat' might be that multiple...
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  10/21/25
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  10/21/25


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Date: August 25th, 2025 10:12 AM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Ok not really fat, but I am not shredded. Still have some love handles and a some belly flab (because I used to be fat). Have the makings of a four pack at the moment. Going to set the next goal at 172lbs. I want to trade 10lbs of fat for 2lbs more of muscle. I figure this takes me three to four months.

Go to prior thread for what I am doing, but I think I am going to go back up to 1200 calories a day (at 1000 for the last week which is 100 of fruit and the rest almost all lean protein and most days I was at more like 800). I walk an average hour a day on a treadmill five days a week and I lift for on average 90 minutes six days a week. I also do a lot of prole goy Mr. Fixit things, but those will ramp down when it gets colder. I am also out of wood to chop and split. :-(

An issue I have is finding clothes that fit. My chest is 47in measured (I think because I was fat I have a barrel chest) and my quads are big. I need pleated or relaxed fit pants as for example Levi’s 501 look like skinny jeans on me, but slim fit dress shirts I still look like a pirate. This is fine under a suit, but I don’t know what I am going to wear when it gets cold and I can’t wear slim fit polo shirts (which stretch). I suppose it does not matter as I can wear a coat/jacket/fleece but I would like some decent dress shirts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49210877)



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Date: August 25th, 2025 1:05 PM
Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Plum Puppy

how much can you squat/dl/bench?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49211299)



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Date: August 25th, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Don’t know. I only work out at home and I am not going to try to max out alone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49212418)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 11:09 AM
Author: cheese-eating turdskin

(guy struggling to hit 130)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49213408)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 12:33 PM
Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Plum Puppy

ok well what were your sets like the last time you did each? Weight/reps/failure?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49213608)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 3:18 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Two plates squat (bad knee), maxed out bench at just under 300 (285 IIRC), never deadlifted (it’s knee again) but that was a long time ago. I doubt I could bench two plates now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49213981)



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Date: August 25th, 2025 9:35 PM
Author: coral talented senate

Try some of the Flint & Tinder stuff. The fit may work for you.

https://huckberry.com/store/shop/bestsellers

Maybe also try their waxed canvas: https://huckberry.com/store/flint-and-tinder/category/p/75996-bighorn-waxed-jacket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49212440)



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Date: August 25th, 2025 11:51 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Thank, but those are not really dress shirts. Maybe I need to *gasp* go to an actual store to buy things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49212677)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: coral talented senate

Ew at place going

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49215202)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 10:29 PM
Author: titillating goal in life

Wtf? Mods!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49215245)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 6:58 AM
Author: Khaki motley useless brakes

Describe the increase in pussy this has annealed to you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49212926)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 10:33 AM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

GFNLHMA inspired me to this lifestyle. God bless her.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49213301)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 11:09 AM
Author: cheese-eating turdskin

Are you slow?

You can't add 2lbs of muscle on a diet of 1200 calories a day. It doesn't matter how much you lift.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49213402)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 3:21 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

I am slow. I have been gaining muscle with 1000-1500 (show by size and strength). Your body converts fat to energy. I have fat to spare. I am not some pro level lifter, I get noob gains (or rather not really lifted hard in forever gains).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49213993)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: up-to-no-good amber incel

Your body only converts fat to energy when it doesn't have a more convenient source of energy, e.g., carbohydrates. So if you cut those, i.e., eat keto, you're right. That's how i lost weight. Hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49238875)



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Date: August 30th, 2025 12:11 AM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Amazon essentials dress shirts (slim fit, Oxford, Oxford stretch, and poplin varieties) are on sale for $12-17. The $150 I spent on some should get me by for a while for all non-suit occasions (and I could wear some with a suit in a pinch). They are wrinkled and crap and too small in the chest and too big in the waist but whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49223536)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 12:49 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

179lbs

Decided to get close to maintenance calories and redouble my lifting efforts by actually doing core and going hard on legs. I don’t know what maintenance calories are though. 2000 maybe?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49238773)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 12:50 PM
Author: Racy ultramarine gaping toaster

Basal metabolic rate by height;

6’2.5: 2100

6’: 1400

5’10: 500

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49238777)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 2:21 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

5’7”: -100

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49239024)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 12:52 PM
Author: Galvanic peach immigrant faggot firefighter

XO is incredibly dumb when it comes to fitness advice. If you weren’t an athlete from age 5 and lifting religiously you’re not going to make significant improvements in how you “look.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49238785)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 2:26 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

This is demonstrably wrong. If you were an athlete who lifted a lot, it comes back really quick even if you are a short, gay, 60 something Asian lawyer like me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49239046)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 3:50 PM
Author: Hairraiser national nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49239305)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 3:50 PM
Author: Hairraiser national nowag

lmao retard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49239303)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 1:26 PM
Author: jade headpube shrine

is anyone irl giving you shit about being "too skinny" yet? im a couple inches shorter than you and went from 225 or so down to 190 around a year ago and people were acting really weird about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49238855)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 2:23 PM
Author: Racy ultramarine gaping toaster

What’s your Waist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49239032)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 2:27 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Anything >32 is an embarrasment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49239054)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 3:45 PM
Author: jade headpube shrine

idk dont measure it but ive never worn pants bigger than 34. even when i was 220+ all my jeans and casual stuff were labeled 32.

havent ever had much visceral belly fat afaik

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49239296)



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Date: September 6th, 2025 7:04 AM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Ya, at 220 your gut is overhanging a 32 or even 34 waist pants. Actual waist is what matters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49240445)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 2:25 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Ya, GFNLHMA said I was getting “too thin.” I went on a rant about Brad Pitt and needing an 8 pack (something like 6 figures, 6 pack, 6in is now 8 figures, 8 pack, 8in), showed her leanbeefpatty’s core pic on Instagram where I commented #GOALS, then the next time I saw her she said she lost 3lbs (not that she needed to at all).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49239040)



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Date: September 5th, 2025 3:45 PM
Author: jade headpube shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49239297)



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Date: September 6th, 2025 5:01 PM
Author: Hairraiser national nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49241565)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 4:45 AM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

176lbs. Messed around with eating some carbs insofar as I ate a box of black beans and rice over the course of two days and I will go out and have four drinks once, and in one instance, twice a week (vodka or whiskey is better than NA beer calories for calories). Conclusion is that it is not worth it for me to eat a material amount of carbs, and I should get them from fruit, veggies, (and alcohol) if I do.

Overall, not fat really, but have some fat left to lose. Also I look jacked in clothes. Narrow waist and a barrel chest and big arms is a good look. Without clothes, I still need a lot of work.

Work is a lot now, so I am doing 4 days a week lifting as opposed to 6-7 and I buy into the recovery thing and I do think I was overtraining by arms.

Been averaging 1500 calories with the additional calories over 1000/1200 coming from switching pork tenderloin and chicken to steak and ground beef more. Basically I do non-lift days 1000 and lift days more like 2000.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49254081)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 5:10 AM
Author: yellow hall love of her life

the problem here is that you are a twink. you would be doing better if you built a decent base of muscle before cutting. you don't have enough muscle so you are forced to eat PBS starving somali children fundraiser calories to continue losing weight

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49254087)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:24 AM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Fair, but I have a two pack and shadows of a four pack now so whatever. Until I look like Brad Pitt in fight club I am going to keep going. I am also getting stronger in spite of my crazy diet. Did 15/12/9 curling 45lbs dumbells to failure with decent form this morning. That’s progress. I have 16 3/8” biceps, which is not huge, but there is zero fat on them.

Edit: I eat healthier food than literally anyone. I feel bad if I eat boneless skinless chicken thighs rather than breasts. I consider rice to be terrible, I ate whatever is in one small box of beans and rice in the last few months. I eat top round because strip steak is too fatty and I trim any fat off the top round. I have had zero sugar in months (including things where it is added to a food). I have had three small pieces of bread in three months. I eat shrimp plain. I don’t use protein powder. I have had three or four French fries (cooked in beef tallow) as far as fried food.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49254535)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 2:59 PM
Author: yellow hall love of her life

Brad Pitt is not a good goal physique. There's this pic of him on the set during filming of Fight Club, I looked for it but couldn't find it. He's sitting on the ground wearing shorts so you can see his legs. He looks like an anorexic 13 year old girl. It's the most pathetic thing you could imagine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49256396)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:11 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

It’s a good goal for me because I won’t ever be that svelte of build so if I shoot for that I will end up in a really good place. My bone structure/genetics just won’t do it to look like Tyler. I could maybe get close (see Christian Bale in his various roles) but my chest, shoulders, and hip structure or I guess frame overall won’t allow it. To give an example, my belt sits flat across my hips, I have so little stomach and such a large pelvis it’s totally flat.

I ate 2lbs of chicken breast, 300g of sweet potato, a can of green beans, a pear, and a small kiwi today. 1490 calories, 225g of protein. I walked 3 miles plus at a brisk pace and lifted for over two hours doing chest and arms. I am trying to get back to six days a week lifting if I can.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49258047)



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Date: September 16th, 2025 3:24 PM
Author: Lilac legal warrant range

You have an eating disorder check your T levels. This is a feminine malady.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49275289)



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Date: September 16th, 2025 4:16 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

I have such high T when I take my shirt off it looks like I am wearing a sweater.

I like my ED (eating disorder not erectile disfunction). I am trying to have the healthiest diet possible. IDGAF if it is an ED or not, it’s better than 99.9999% of what people in the US eat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49275486)



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Date: October 21st, 2025 11:57 AM
Author: ~~(> ' ' )>

You're not gaining anything from that excess of protein.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49363790)



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Date: September 16th, 2025 2:58 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Not sure what happened, but I was 175lbs this am.

Long story short, Diamond Dallas’s twink comment got to me so I am eating more and lifting even heavier. I am probably going to hurt myself, but I want 18in biceps so I can say my biceps are the size my neck used to be.

Maybe it was the intense work out yesterday evening. I did hydrate a ton and I ate 1960 calories with 244 grams of protein and a fair amount of carbs in that so I guess I am still in a deficit? Or maybe it just burned all the glycogen in my arms (should not really do that much, today is leg day). I just don’t know. I also had/have been walking a lot (close to a 4mph pace but only a couple miles a day).

Anyway, as much as I like steak, I bought 10lbs of boneless skinless chicken and figure I eat a couple pounds a day. I do like the thighs better by a significant degree as they reheat nicer (I am indifferent when they are fresh off the grill).

I also discovered cauliflower rice. Broccoli and brussel sprouts are flame compared to cauliflower. Oh, and eggplant. 100 calories a pound. And who knew mushrooms had so much protein. Portobellos are pretty 180 with chicken. I use fruit and Celsius as preworkout. The actual preworkout and ashwandwhatever the heck it is makes me feel odd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5766011&forum_id=2),#49275220)



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Date: September 16th, 2025 8:18 PM
Author: yellow hall love of her life

"Maybe it was the intense work out yesterday evening. I did hydrate a ton and I ate 1960 calories with 244 grams of protein and a fair amount of carbs in that so I guess I am still in a deficit? Or maybe it just burned all the glycogen in my arms (should not really do that much, today is leg day). I just don’t know. I also had/have been walking a lot (close to a 4mph pace but only a couple miles a day)."

This is how weight loss has always worked for me. Seemingly flatlines for a while, then the weight gets flushed after a hard workout and hits a new low. Some of it is glycogen and will come back but most won't.

You need to be careful man. Most of my training injuries over the years were from lifting too heavy in a caloric deficit. You are probably overtraining right now if you are running a cut. The only way you are going to add mass to your biceps in a deficit is if you have amazing genetics to where your "beginner" training physique has 18 inch lean biceps. Not likely, but you can technically add some mass going from "untrained" to "beginner." Or if you were pretty far along and had them at 19+ before, then they deteriorated to 16.5, you might get them back to 18 in a deficit. But if 18 is your prior peak (or a new high), you're just gonna get injured.

Long frequent workouts targeting shit like biceps is not what I would do on a cut at all to begin with. Compound lifts, less workouts, less volume, maintain as much strength as possible. If you keep your strength high, you will BLOW UP when you start eating again. If you drag everything out, eating to be able to train at a high volume but not building muscle because you're in a deficit, eventually you'll just start wasting away. Your body fat won't be as low as you want because you didn't run a big enough deficit, and you'll hit a wall where your strength drops a lot because you've been in a deficit for too long. And this is all going to be magnified because you weren't starting with a decent muscular base to begin with.

I would bulk and build a decent base (not dirty bulk) and then do a hard fast cut instead of trying to do multiple things at once.

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Date: September 16th, 2025 9:18 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Thank. I think my maintenance is around 1800-2000. I have the lifestyle and metabolism of a geriatric three toed sloth. Going from 1200 up to what I am doing now (eating more on lift days and less on rest days) with almost all protein has made me stronger, leaner, and bigger. I do think I have pretty decent genetics (at least for size). I don’t know what my biceps measurements were at peak, but it’s meaningless because I was fat. A long time ago I was a very strong and very large individual and a decent amount of the strength and muscle size, well … it seems to be coming back fairly quickly. I saw some study about muscle memory and regaining previous size quickly that seemed to make sense. I don’t think I am overtraining doing upper/lower split twice a week so lifting four days a week total, and even an upper/lower/rest/upper/lower rest six days which is what feels right to me is not as bad as I was when I was lifting some variation of arms/back/chest every day (and often doing random sets for fun all throughout the day — basically if I was not constantly very sore I was sad). Now I have built up enough stability in my knees/legs to do some actual lower body exercises albeit with not heavy weight (like two 45lbs Bulgarian split squats) is making me happy on not upper days.

I appreciate your concern and I tore the shit out of a shoulder last time I got on a kick (which ended with the injury). I have learned my lesson on heavy flyes. I have been half ass bro lifting curls and presses for decades so I think I am safe there unless I get to a point where I can go really heavy (which I feel no need to at this point). My biggest concern is that I reinjure my knee/ankle everything else that I destroyed before.

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Date: September 17th, 2025 5:53 PM
Author: yellow hall love of her life

You said you lifted for 2 hours. If you are doing that 4 times per week (8 hours total) on a deficit, that's probably overtraining. It's REALLY easy to get a minor tear from doing that, speaking from experience. And also easy to repeatedly aggravate it from working it again too soon or too heavy because it seems fine until you feel another pull. And it eventually turns into a permanent reduction in strength.

Also, if you were formerly really strong, your muscles are going to gain strength faster than your ligaments and joints can handle it. You don't want to wear them down. Definitely take some supplements for that even if they feel fine.

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Date: September 17th, 2025 6:18 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

What supplements? Thank

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Date: September 18th, 2025 4:19 PM
Author: yellow hall love of her life

if you don't want to do everything piecemeal you can take Orange Triad vitamins, which cover a lot of bases on their own including joint supplements. they're a little expensive and it's 6 large pills per day, but that's what i always used. and btw, you do need to split them into servings because if you take all 6 at once a lot of it will go to waste. then i tack some fish oil pills on top of that.

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Date: September 19th, 2025 8:52 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Thank, other than glucosamine and condroitan [sic] I have got all those supplements already but may switch to orange triad as that’s the kind of all in one I am looking for.

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Date: September 17th, 2025 6:26 PM
Author: titillating goal in life

OP -- your idea of a "healthy diet" is that of a retarded high schooler.

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Date: September 17th, 2025 8:20 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

What should I eat then?

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Date: September 18th, 2025 4:32 PM
Author: titillating goal in life

Eggs (organic pasture raised)

Beef (Organic, grass fed/finished)

Salmon (wild caught)

Blueberries (organic, wild)

Greek Yogurt (Organic, grass fed)

Avacados

Wallnuts (organic)

Almonds(organic)

Macadamia Nuts (organic)

Brazil nuts (organic)

Sweet potatoes (organic) (ideally purple)

Beets (organic)

Brocolli (organic)

5-10 other DIVERSE veggies (organic)

And, to fill in any extra needed calories:

-Lentils (organic black)

-Olive Oil (Extra virgin, first cold pressed, unfiltered, organic)



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Date: September 18th, 2025 9:00 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Other than nuts (they are calorie dense and I could sit and eat a ton of them), beets (have on occasion not a huge fan), lentils (too labor intensive), and olive oil (calorie dense), I eat all of those things. I tend to do more shrimp/tuna/mahi mahi/talapia than salmon.

For veggies I prefer cauliflower to broccoli. Just started doing cauliflower rice. Green beans, zucchini, yellow squash, eggplant, spinach etc. Frankly broccoli and brussel sprouts don't sit particularly well with me unless I thoroughly cook them, but I still have them on occasion.

Ya, I eat a lot of fruit (blueberries especially, but a huge variety), chicken, and lean beef, but that’s not all I eat.

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Date: September 20th, 2025 12:49 PM
Author: titillating goal in life

Do you abide by all of the qualifiers I included?

Also, all of that fish you listed is death poison. Do not eat it.

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Date: September 20th, 2025 7:46 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Yes, of the ones I eat except beef as I get a lot of different stuff (including just normal beef and I don’t seek grass fed AND finished) and I sometimes get non-wild blueberries if I get fresh as wild is not available. Frozen I get wild. I also eat a lot of fruit in quantity and variety and some I know is not organic.

Why is the fish I eat poison? And what kind of poison?

Thoughts on pork? Been eating a lot of it to balance chicken.

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Date: September 19th, 2025 8:56 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Bumped up to 177 (was probably depleted when I was 175 a few days ago) but back to 175. No longer obsessed with losing weight, now obsessed with gaining muscle. Doing upper/lower/rest split. Other than some love handles/back kidney fat and some loose skin (which is actually improving) I am doing pretty well at this weight. 5lbs more to go though.

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Date: September 26th, 2025 3:07 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Lost a belt hole and noticeably flatter stomach, but back up to 177. Recomp is real as is water retention in muscles from carbs and creatine. None of this lift 2-3 times a week crap. Lift everyday. Heavy. Hard. #GAINS

PS tweaked a little bit my left bicep :-(

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Date: September 26th, 2025 8:04 PM
Author: titillating goal in life

There was some supplement that lots of lifters back in the day insisted helped a lot with loose skin. Can't remember the name though. I think Pavel used to recommend it. Will look it up.

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Date: September 26th, 2025 9:45 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Thank

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Date: October 1st, 2025 10:24 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Halp

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Date: October 5th, 2025 12:24 AM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Averaged 1725 calories and 152 grams of protein a day for September. Was 176 this am. Feel stronger for sure. Look stronger as well. If I cut 100% of alcohol consumption which I have been discussing with GFNLHMA I can do better, but I had under 2000 calories of alcohol in September (I am sure there were days I had more than that in my previous ways).

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Date: October 5th, 2025 1:04 AM
Author: Hairraiser national nowag

If you're trying to get jacked, high volume PPL split with DUP rep scheme is the move

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Date: October 5th, 2025 1:04 AM
Author: orange church kitty cat

Hey man did you see my thread? Ill bump it

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Date: October 7th, 2025 3:27 AM
Author: Hairraiser national nowag

No, haven't been on much

Link it

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Date: October 7th, 2025 8:40 AM
Author: orange church kitty cat

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751278&mc=250&forum_id=2

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Date: October 8th, 2025 2:06 AM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

That’s pretty much what I am doing. Fighting off the mild left bicep pull. Down to 174 today (I think I was just carbed up at 176/7). Lost another belt hole. Not sure how much waist I have left. Been adding bear mode neck and shrugs. Need to build in a core workout as I am not scared of gaining waist size at least a little. Been doing hanging leg raises and variations on crunches but I am sure there is something better. I don’t go to the gym so I can’t do the cable pull downs. Any suggestions? Also, any suggestions for glutes? Been doing SLDL, RDL, BSS. Can’t find a great way to do hip thrusts.

Thinking about getting a gym membership or dropping a ton of money and buying a bunch of equipment. Although I really like what I am doing, there are things I would like to try (smith machine press so I can go heavy, pec deck, cable pulldowns etc).

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Date: October 9th, 2025 1:04 AM
Author: Hairraiser national nowag

Here's a split for you. Each day, everything is in one rep range. Rotate through 3, 20, 12, 5, 8, then start over for each muscle group (e.g. Push 3, Pull 12, Legs 8, Push 20, Pull 5, Legs 3, etc.) and try to avoid failure / keep 1 rep in reserve. On the high rep leg days, drop the weight as needed to be comfortable doing it right. You don't have to do 5x20 deadlifts with 405, drop the weight enough that you're comfortable doing high reps. For core, do it with your cardio. I like starting with vacuums ( https://youtu.be/uGIrqrlDcbQ ) and then doing toes to bar til failure a few times, then hanging leg raises.

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PUSH 1

• Barbell Bench, 5 sets

• Incline DB Bench, 3 sets

• Standing DB Press, 4 sets

• Tricep Dips, 4 sets weighted / 1 set bodyweight AMRAP

• Overhead DB Tricep Extensions, 3 sets

• Front & Lateral Raises (alternating), 3 sets (superset with tricep extensions)

PUll 1

• Pullups, 4 sets weighted / 1 set bodyweight AMRAP

• Seal Row / Chest Supported DB Row / Single Arm DB Row (in that order of preference, equipment dependent), 4-6 sets

• Curls (something wide grip, something narrow grip, and some hammer curls), 4-6 sets

LEGS 1

• Back Squat, 5 sets

• Cleans (if ≤ 5 reps) / Heavy Kettlebell Swings (if > 5 reps), 3 sets -- if cleans, do second; if KB swings, do last

• RDL, 4 sets

• Lunges (can sub sled drags if you have the space and inclination), 4 sets

PUSH 2

• Barbell Bench, 5 sets

• Incline DB Bench, 3 sets

• Standing Arnold Press, 4 sets

• Tricep Dips, 4 sets weighted / 1 set bodyweight AMRAP

• Overhead DB Tricep Extensions, 3 sets

• Front & Lateral Raises (alternating), 3 sets (superset with tricep extensions)

PULL 2

• exactly the same as Pull 1

LEGS 2

• Deadlift, 5 sets

• Cleans (if ≤ 5 reps) / Heavy Kettlebell Swings (if > 5 reps), 3 sets -- if cleans, do second; if KB swings, do last

• Front Squat, 4 sets

• Lunges (can sub sled drags if you have the space and inclination), 4 sets



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Date: October 9th, 2025 1:27 AM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Thank. I just bought more plates on prime day so I can do heavy DL. Why not go to failure? I have found going to failure and even doing assisted or partials after failure helpful.

Edit: your split is doing more sets and fewer exercises than I have been doing but I will give it a try (more or less, some I can’t do with what I own).

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Date: October 9th, 2025 12:39 PM
Author: Hairraiser national nowag

Going to just short of failure produces the same stimulus, but does not induce the same fatigue so you can perform better on later sets. Your overall productive workload will be much higher if you avoid failure but go just short of it.

What movements are you unable to do with what you have? I'll sub them out for something.

I typically focus on really effective and efficient movements instead of doing like 15 different exercises. Good example of this is instead of doing like six different types of machines for three sets for back, I typically do six sets of seal rows because they are just more efficient at isolating lats.

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Date: October 9th, 2025 9:10 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

Thank. Pec deck. Barbell bench. Anything really heavy with a barbell because no spotter. Hence smith machine desire. T-bar row.

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Date: October 10th, 2025 9:18 AM
Author: Hairraiser national nowag

I don't have any pec deck stuff in here.

Fuck a smith machine, bar path for that sucks. Just get a power rack or combo rack (more expensive usually) and a decent adjustable bench. Way better, it'll have safeties, and you can bench in it. I always bench in a rack if I'm at a shitty globogym -- more adjustable J hook positioning.

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Date: October 9th, 2025 12:41 PM
Author: orange church kitty cat

Post a picture

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Date: October 9th, 2025 9:12 PM
Author: big nighttime messiness lodge

I am not good at the Internet such that I could do that without fear of outing.

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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:51 PM
Author: Drunkard

I bought a barbell and 260lbs of plates on prime day. They arrived today and I loaded them all up and was able to deadlift it (bar is 45lbs so 305) but it was hard af. Have not done deadlifts in decades. Can’t remember what I did back then as I was bench guy so I don’t think I cared. Is that good? Am I going to hurt myself? Should I buy two more plates (45lbs each) and see what my actual max is or should I go for reps. Local lifting bro says I am going to hurt myself. I am concerned as I have never had back problems, but I do have leg issues. Halp.

PS holding right at 175lbs. GFNLHMA said I look great (previously she said I looked skinny and it gave me a complex for a week). Averaging ~2000 calories and 180g protein.

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Date: October 21st, 2025 12:26 AM
Author: STEPHEN MILLER (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon)

Not going to hurt yourself.

1. Yes, buy another set of 45s, you'll need them soon enough

2. Watch the following:

- https://youtu.be/3ieuEnlIEV4

- https://youtu.be/QRLeaWuxmmE

- https://youtu.be/VcY3YSW9vX4

Two different explanations from two world class deadlifters. I think the second is better, but you need the context of the first to get it. You don't need to do over under / mixed grip on deadlift since you're not competing -- just use straps.

3. Drop the weight to like 225 and do sets of 5-12 (or just follow the split I recommended above, and on deadlift make sure the weight moves pretty comfortably / you have 2-3 reps in reserve each set). Work on bracing and cuing good form. You can get a ton out of submaximal, hypertrophy range sets, especially just starting. Add weight once you're comfortable with it, but you don't have to try to max or anything. Just build a good foundation with lots of hypertrophy work and you'll put on a ton of strength very quickly too.

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Date: October 21st, 2025 1:33 AM
Author: Drunkard

Thank. Been working too much to do your split legit, but at least I am keeping up some.

PS I know what you told me, but I like lifting heavy to failure every set.

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Date: October 21st, 2025 12:39 PM
Author: STEPHEN MILLER (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon)

You will progress faster if you don't. Doing 5x3 at 352, 336, 336, 319, 319 is far superior to getting 2 reps at 363 and failing your third, then having to drop down to 319 or 308 because you're completely fried after the first set, and ending up with your last set something like 275.

Numbers are weird because I'm using my last bench day as an example and my gym has kg plates, but you get the idea.

Also, with deadlifts, just build a good foundation first and then you can pull heavy.

If doing 3x/wk would be easier, do:

- bench (5 sets)

- main leg lift (squat or deadlift, 5 sets)

- pullups (5 sets)

- main leg accessory (RDL or front squat, 4 sets)

- shoulder pressing (3-4 sets)

- some rows (3-4 sets)

- some curls and tricep work

Follow the same rep scheme as before. It's a long workout but you'll blow up if you eat enough, and time off will be welcome lol.

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Date: October 21st, 2025 2:35 AM
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part of your problem with 'still fat' might be that multiple posters who have met you LOL at your claim to be any taller than 6' flat in shoes. like so many other subjects, you are retardedly generous to yourself bordering on delusional.

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Date: October 21st, 2025 10:36 AM
Author: Drunkard

I am a gay 5’4.5” 67 year old Asian man

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