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Rabbi Had Me Talk To Prospective Cardozo 0L (at Sticker). CRUSHED His Dreams.
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:25 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit at shabbat, a rabbi told this kid with a stem phd to come talk to me about ip law.
he's considering enrolling in cardozo at sticker in the fall. i asked if his parents were helping, and he said nope, and he'd have to take out full loans for it.
then i proceeded to give him xo scholarship on TTTs being a scam with bullshit employment data, whittier closing down, etc. told him he'll be 200k in debt and may never make that money back.
he said no lawyer he talked to ever told him any of this before. jfc are other lawyers not saying anything of this shit to him? how fucking irresponsible.
he seemed to think he'd be okay with a patent bar number. i told him that means you MIGHT get a medium-paying job doing patent prosecution, not that you'll get biglaw ip.
i told him to get into a patent agent program and have them pay for law school, or just stay a patent agent. and see if he likes it.
pddj said i literally crushed his life dreams. i couldnt tell bc im low eq but she said he seemed like he was about to cry. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:28 PM Author: Swashbuckling step-uncle's house you're doing G-d's work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33205915) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit it's a double mitzvah on shabbat! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33205988) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:43 PM Author: magenta free-loading generalized bond genital piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33207429) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:28 PM Author: slimy kitchen coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#35509848) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:21 PM Author: Salmon Pontificating Casino Foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33209547) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:25 PM Author: magenta free-loading generalized bond genital piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#35509835) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:25 PM Author: Galvanic Mewling Principal's Office "i told him to get into a patent agent program and have them pay for law school, or just stay a patent agent. and see if he likes it."
This makes a lot of sense. If he still wants to do it after learning a bit more (and potentially getting someone else to pay for it), godspeed. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:16 PM Author: Aggressive sweet tailpipe This guy has a STEM phd and the best he could get into was fucking Cardozo? What was the STEM field, biology? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34011837) |
Date: May 1st, 2017 3:29 PM Author: spruce gas station degenerate I routinely get asked to speak to college juniors and seniors who are thinking about law school. I always try to discourage them by having the same sort of frank conversation you describe.
I am invariably the first one to go through the cost-benefit analysis with them.
Nearly every damn one of them has gone on to law school anyway, including several to TTTs and FTTs. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:34 PM Author: brilliant immigrant brunch Thhe highest lsat scorers are not going to law school as much...dumbs are still going. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33205965) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: spruce gas station degenerate In an odd twist, that means that some who should not have gone to law school in the past because all they could muster would be a school in the 20-30 range are getting into decent programs, which might make it worth it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33205991) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: maniacal cerebral water buffalo regret Weirder, it's often the slightly dumber kids who are best suited for BigLaw and make partner. Just so long as they keep around one or two super nerds they'll be fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010313) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: khaki excitant legal warrant "decent programs" are not what make law school worth it. Cost is the determining factor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010339) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:38 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit cr. this kid isnt the first one i've had this frank convo with. usually they're just not about to put a deposit now.
but in any event, they literally never listen. retarded decisionmaking correlates to poor lsat scores. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:29 PM Author: Orchid provocative sanctuary That is such a good thing to have done I can't believe DBG actually did it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33205927) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit tbf i run xo law-school-is-a-scam scholarship on every prospective i meet. this is the first time i've ran it on a 0L deciding what to do in april/may who was sent by a rabbi to talk to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33205980) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:32 PM Author: glittery kitty cat field You did a good thing even if you are autistic about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33205939) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: disrespectful arrogant stage brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33207404) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: brilliant immigrant brunch Where was his phd from? How does a phd stem fail the lsat that bad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33205969) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:39 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit cq
seems to be a top 10-25 stem program in his field.
the funny thing is he has options, unlike a fucking poli sci shithead. wtf is he thinking?
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:40 PM Author: brilliant immigrant brunch Big diff between top 10 and top 25..like huge difference
By stem, i hope he doesnt mean biology...ljl |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:41 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit he got a postdoc offer at a directional state u. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33206040) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:46 PM Author: brilliant immigrant brunch Post doc isnt that impressive for stem. Tenurenjobs are where it is at. But still why the fuck is he going to law achool, esp since he bombed the lsat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33206071) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:55 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit cq. pddj thinks has to be retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33206152) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: Citrine curious coldplay fan "good Shabbos" *DBJ expressionless getting up from seat near tearful jewdood* |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33205986) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: Citrine curious coldplay fan I remember my poa being MUCH better when I was gakked Lol |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#37009445) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:57 PM Author: passionate hideous business firm becky Israel should plant a tree in your honor. You basically saved a Jew's life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33206167) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 4:01 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33206197) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:22 PM Author: Salmon Pontificating Casino Foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33209554) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 4:41 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit oh even the rabbi told me afterwards that i did the right thing. he said if someone solicits advice from you, you have to tell them your opinion and i have a basis for my opinion as an experienced lawyer.
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:56 PM Author: maize vigorous mad-dog skullcap cr, unless the person is a goy, in which case deception and trickery is the preferred approach. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33209365) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:22 PM Author: Salmon Pontificating Casino Foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33209557) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2017 2:02 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33210406) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:22 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle hateful background story yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#35509816) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 5:42 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit oh yeah, he was convinced that he could lateral into a biglaw job even if he didnt get biglaw right off the bat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33206995) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:35 PM Author: Citrine curious coldplay fan moar like lateral from his debt to suicidal ideation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33207378) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: disrespectful arrogant stage brethren lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33207403) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2017 11:14 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33211536) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:41 PM Author: disrespectful arrogant stage brethren good on you, you probably saved this guy's life why isn't he working in STEM? STEM phd is ez money |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:51 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33209308) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:52 PM Author: Chocolate Mediation Abode OP is a hero (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33209318) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:55 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit tyty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#33209348) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 1:45 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit UPDATE: this fucker just began LS. in 4 yrs he'll be wishing he listened to me
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:10 AM Author: Pale trip church ljl
you did what you could, and why can't he get in to a T14 with a decent STEM PhD? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:11 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit maybe he's not that smart? maybe he didnt realize he needed to grind thru the 20 LSAT practice tests to get a 165 if he's stupid enough to go to cardozo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010289) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: Pale trip church if he is getting in to a good STEM PhD he is acing the GRE and a fortiori acing the LSAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010337) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit maybe he has weaker verbal / RC skills. alternatively, smart people sometimes are out of practice doing LSAT type shit if they're in stem. i know xo likes to think of the lsat as an intelligence test, but two similarly IQ people -- one who has been doing equations for 4 yrs, and the other who has been deconstructing arguments on xo for 4 yrs -- are gonna have diff LSAT results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010360) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: Pale trip church I'll buy that
as far as pure IQ tests go, GRE is closer than LSAT I'm sure, but that opens the door to a high IQ guy relatively bombing LSAT
I suppose he is avoiding post doc purgatory too, which isn't irrational |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:25 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit yesh, avoiding post doc purgatory makes sense. but why not get an industry job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010423) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: Pale trip church agreed, terrible decision is a parent a lawyer? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:06 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit nope. if parent were a lawyer, he'd tell the guy not to go (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34011757) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:02 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010209) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:06 AM Author: razzle avocado roommate Stem phd probably cops an IP jerb hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010238) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:10 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit not necessarily biglaw ip. might be a 80k patent prox gig at some small firm when he's 200k in the hole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010274) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: razzle avocado roommate nah he's good for biglaw IP if the PhD is in a desirable field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010359) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:21 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit unless he has good grades, he's still got to have some luck to end up at a SHITTY biglaw place.
and then what? there's still ONE | WRONG | MOVE and he could be shitcanned from ipbiglaw. or economy could downturn and he could be latham'd.
and what's the exit option? in-house ip gigs are still fucking hard to come by. so 150k in-house if all the stars align.
and he's still got the debt. the point is he should have stayed in stem. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: razzle avocado roommate nah incorrect.
NYC law school + hard STEM PhD cops IP biglaw man |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit not guaranteed. and not in a recession (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010532) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:09 PM Author: razzle avocado roommate Sorry about your polisci shit degree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34011787) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:11 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit i'm a stembro / biglawyer who does some ip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34011801) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:08 AM Author: thirsty bateful corner Going to lolschool without an in of some kind (HYS, wealthy folks, instate while living at home) is like playing musical chairs. When the music stops some people will have a place to sit, and some won't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010264) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:12 AM Author: maniacal cerebral water buffalo regret During the height of ITE, I was talking to a guy on his way to a true TTT after I noticed him studying for the LSAT in a bar. I told him that he shouldn't go and his argument that he should was that his friend (who went to a T14) was being paid $80k to not even work for a year. They're not worth saving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010290) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Pale trip church jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010340) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: Bright native My boss went to Dozo after 12 years as a marine. Alpha mother fucker and a major hard ass. As a bank MD he makes north of 300k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010307) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:14 AM Author: maniacal cerebral water buffalo regret That was when tuition was half today and that means he was on the GI Bill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010323) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010329) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Pale trip church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010343) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: shimmering idea he suggested I'd bet that his success had more to do with being an alpha mother fucker/major hard ass and having the right rabbi. That's how it is at my place, got to have the right godfather/rabbi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010449) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:29 AM Author: Flesh startling idiot old irish cottage Wow a hardass 45 year old marine earning what a 30 year old big law drone earns in the most expensive city in the country. Sign me up!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010474) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: razzle avocado roommate 300k for a bank MD is absolute shit.
don't you work in compliance b/c you couldn't even cop ANY firm jerb out of TTTulane? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: shimmering idea he suggested Damn. lol. He's in for a world of pain when he can't find a job and is looking at the doc review world. Isn't there a forum where doc reviewers post? You should have sent him there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010356) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: at-the-ready violent rehab hunting ground I think you guys don't understand the calculus for many people $160K seems like a fuckton of money and they'll chance it and can't imagine all the expenses and bullshit that comes with it... I usually burst lawyer dreams by asking my students whether they love grammar and sentence construction and they never do and then I say well lawyering is all about split infinitives and comma placement (this usually comes during an office hours discussion while their paper lies before them bleeding) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010403) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit that calculus is more understandable for some 21 yo retarded poli sci shithead.
a 26-27yo stem phd should be able to understand the flaw when it is explained to him. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:23 AM Author: Tripping chest-beating candlestick maker locale you could tell him to go for one yr and drop out if not in top of class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010404) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: Pale trip church this is not an insane suggestion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010421) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:28 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit this idiot obviously doesnt get the concept that he has to be in the top of the class. he's not gonna listen to that either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34010469) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: diverse locus Biglaw score isn't bad at 20%
https://www.lstreports.com/schools/cardozo/
Just make sure you finish in top quarter and you have a shot. Law review is probably a near lock as long as you bid intell |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit 80% wont finish in the top 20%.
50/50 chance |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:13 PM Author: Multi-colored Bat Shit Crazy Mood Masturbator I'm worse, I got in on my lawl school's prospective students alumni interviews and I tell every single one to run far far away. As far as I know, not a single one has listened. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#34011812) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:20 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#35509805) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:29 PM Author: Heady Flatulent Station How were his first semester grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#35509854) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:38 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit dunno. curious to see what summer job he ends up with as a 2l (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#35509901) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit Update: ran into him. He got a 2L summer gig at a well known up boutique. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#37008679) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: Nudist Exciting Athletic Conference Striped Hyena inshallah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#37008698) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: Laughsome Heaven Mexican Debt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#37008702) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit Full debt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#37009063) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 2:55 PM Author: Laughsome Heaven Mexican Rich parents, or copping dat paye? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#37009412) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: Wonderful mischievous pit i guess he thinks he's gonna maek it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#37009447) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 10:22 PM Author: i gave my cousin head (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2),#49210207) |