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Trump Killing PSLF (loans don't get grandfathered in)

LOL - unfucking real. People are gonna have insane balances
Turquoise Misunderstood Bawdyhouse
  02/10/20
PSLF WAS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE CUT EVENTUALLY YOU WELFARE-MO...
Cracking white office
  02/12/20
lol @ PSLFmos: Trump looks to kill student loan forgivene...
racy electric furnace
  02/11/20
Sanders needs to win!
Rusted Electric Doctorate Pervert
  02/11/20
#MAGA
Up-to-no-good Idiotic Cruise Ship Private Investor
  02/11/20
Holy shit Fuck this kike nut sucking faggot boomer San...
Vivacious fortuitous meteor site
  02/11/20
OH WHAT A POPULISM WE HAVE ENJOYED THESE 4 YEARS *Bannon br...
Floppy lettuce useless brakes
  02/11/20
i thought bannon supported some kind of loan reform/forgiven...
racy electric furnace
  02/11/20
Making Papa Earl proud, if you will.
Rusted Electric Doctorate Pervert
  02/11/20
that's the point. the whole 'BANNON populism' promise has ...
Floppy lettuce useless brakes
  02/11/20
Titcr
Vivacious fortuitous meteor site
  02/11/20
That's what the Jew does. Uses "populism' to cuck the g...
Ruddy school cafeteria
  02/11/20
I think you meant *Shlomo & Kushner breakdancing in corn...
Ruddy school cafeteria
  02/11/20
Like 28% of the country has a college degree.
Indecent rehab
  02/11/20
wow, that's hardly anybody...
Floppy lettuce useless brakes
  02/11/20
Cr they probably only contribute 90% of taxes also Fuck t...
Vivacious fortuitous meteor site
  02/11/20
CR. They're also concentrated in non-Trump states. So not on...
Indecent rehab
  02/11/20
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Vivacious fortuitous meteor site
  02/11/20
36% of millennials have a college degree (many more with 'so...
Floppy lettuce useless brakes
  02/11/20
72% of the country doesn't have a college degree. Wages for ...
Indecent rehab
  02/11/20
god, you're retarded
Floppy lettuce useless brakes
  02/11/20
GRRR Trump needs to pay for swamp degrees!!!111ONEONE
Indecent rehab
  02/11/20
We are literally having a blue collar boom.
Cream magical crackhouse dingle berry
  02/11/20
now do people who actually bother to vote.
racy electric furnace
  02/11/20
Now do average loan balances and now do what states they ten...
Indecent rehab
  02/11/20
Fuck those goys!
Ruddy school cafeteria
  02/11/20
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Vivacious fortuitous meteor site
  02/11/20
Guess what.... right next to this every year in the presiden...
multi-colored primrose marketing idea
  02/11/20
Fuck this ttt shiteating faggot vote sanders
topaz yapping point legal warrant
  02/11/20
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Vivacious fortuitous meteor site
  02/11/20
he's a commie jew- and yes, he's cucking you too
Ruddy school cafeteria
  02/11/20
lol 180
zippy indigo piazza
  02/11/20
Honest question: what in the federal PSLF terms that borrowe...
Vigorous Startling Water Buffalo
  02/11/20
AFAIK PSLF isn't in the loan note, and isn't even something ...
zippy indigo piazza
  02/11/20
Based on what little I remember from the public interest car...
Vigorous Startling Water Buffalo
  02/11/20
fraud by the law schools for misrepresenting the program, po...
zippy indigo piazza
  02/11/20
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shimmering contagious death wish selfie
  02/11/20
Sovereignty
Buff generalized bond
  02/11/20
Sounds right for the GOP. Lots of tax breaks for billionaire...
self-centered exhilarant turdskin
  02/11/20
The Democrats should have implemented his budget in 2018 and...
Buff generalized bond
  02/11/20
Lmao 180
Nudist Hairy Legs
  02/11/20
...
Buck-toothed walnut persian
  02/11/20
He proposed this every year of his term. And it gets killed ...
multi-colored primrose marketing idea
  02/11/20
...
self-centered exhilarant turdskin
  02/11/20
Amazing. Fuck deadbeats. Pay your debts like responsible peo...
yellow bespoke indirect expression orchestra pit
  02/11/20
Trump supporters aren't allowed to say this
self-centered exhilarant turdskin
  02/11/20
Most people who go to college have far higher incomes that p...
yellow bespoke indirect expression orchestra pit
  02/11/20
This is about aspiring PSLF recipients not high income earne...
self-centered exhilarant turdskin
  02/11/20
Got 120K wiped away tax free. How much does that hurt?
garnet low-t deer antler
  02/11/20
Cr 18000
House-broken Henna Volcanic Crater
  02/11/20
(Brought to you by the Jewish Bankers Association)
Ruddy school cafeteria
  02/11/20
These budgets are nothing but virtue signaling to his base, ...
tan heady dilemma masturbator
  02/11/20
Ding ding ding Populist MAGA emperor will happily drop bi...
self-centered exhilarant turdskin
  02/11/20
Fiscal responsibility is very importa- *suitcase full of she...
tan heady dilemma masturbator
  02/11/20
Doesn’t even say it would be retroactive. Not saying ...
balding diverse reading party
  02/11/20
Why is this the "non sustainable" relief plan to g...
tan heady dilemma masturbator
  02/11/20
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Metal Startled Whorehouse Factory Reset Button
  02/11/20
Don't underestimate how this plays to his core base of non-d...
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  02/11/20
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Metal Startled Whorehouse Factory Reset Button
  02/11/20
Galleria, folks
Sienna flatulent rigor
  02/11/20
hey ur a really smart special jew youll figure out how to pa...
crimson aggressive range
  02/11/20
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Vivacious fortuitous meteor site
  02/11/20
all in the game yo
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  02/11/20
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Ruddy school cafeteria
  02/17/20
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  02/17/20
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unholy athletic conference
  02/17/20
100% correct. The comments on any news article about this wi...
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  02/11/20
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Bright Antidepressant Drug
  02/11/20
oh what a populist
Medicated Potus Dog Poop
  02/11/20
The article doesn't say that
Soul-stirring Institution Ladyboy
  02/11/20
BOOMERS
flirting organic girlfriend
  02/11/20
180 fuck lawyers
crimson aggressive range
  02/11/20
Good. Fuck you all.
naked resort
  02/11/20
The student loan issue will never be addressed until schools...
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  02/11/20
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Puce talking jew menage
  02/11/20
I have long thought of this - or have student debt be recour...
180 hot hospital alpha
  02/11/20
another way to do this is to permit more government grants/l...
Useless ultramarine weed whacker
  02/11/20
cr
Up-to-no-good Idiotic Cruise Ship Private Investor
  02/11/20
I've been impotently pushing claw backs/guarantees for years...
aquamarine national yarmulke
  02/11/20
Hopefully we can forcememe this into IRL
180 hot hospital alpha
  02/11/20
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Pea-brained parlour
  02/12/20
It’s the simplest, least disruptive “fix”....
Pea-brained parlour
  02/12/20
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crimson aggressive range
  02/11/20
Bring back bankruptcy. Require schools to guarantee some por...
aquamarine national yarmulke
  02/11/20
Great idea
House-broken Henna Volcanic Crater
  02/11/20
Horrible ideas. Why not just make college free and pay off a...
Excitant sooty public bath
  02/11/20
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unholy athletic conference
  02/17/20
Only affects new borrowers and he’s tried this like 3 ...
Bat shit crazy meetinghouse
  02/11/20
First half that is most important. And blows out OP
multi-colored primrose marketing idea
  02/11/20
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Metal Startled Whorehouse Factory Reset Button
  02/11/20
I'm all for crushing deadbeats and stopping handouts, but al...
Peach Appetizing Sandwich Spot
  02/11/20
Guy who couldn't get hired at prosecutors office here
Nudist Hairy Legs
  02/11/20
School tier and class rank?
Peach Appetizing Sandwich Spot
  02/11/20
...
Laughsome fanboi box office
  02/11/20
"Public service" LJL I can't believe what is...
Buck-toothed walnut persian
  02/11/20
the better part of the proposal is capping graduate loans at...
Carmine spectacular abode boistinker
  02/11/20
lol at lawfags here arguing detrimental reliance Literall...
Turquoise Misunderstood Bawdyhouse
  02/12/20
Cr. My taxes contract is hella long too
irradiated casino chad
  02/12/20
President Obama suggested capping PSLF at only $57,500 for t...
Citrine Ratface
  02/12/20
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5848...
Citrine Ratface
  02/12/20
Absolutely devastating for PSLFmos
wonderful mother business firm
  02/17/20
Sounds like the sovereign act defense is relatively weak.
aquamarine national yarmulke
  02/17/20
If we start to get rid of all these handout programs AND mak...
charismatic twinkling forum legend
  02/17/20
Bring back bankruptcy, too.
aquamarine national yarmulke
  02/17/20
cf, mini. Democratic presidential candidate Mike Bloombe...
self-centered exhilarant turdskin
  02/18/20
Lol
sepia alcoholic personal credit line
  02/18/20
lol just do keep throwing money at higher ed and refuse to f...
wonderful mother business firm
  02/18/20
Fair criticism. What is Trump proposing to reduce the burden...
self-centered exhilarant turdskin
  02/18/20
Proposed more funding for technical training and alternative...
wonderful mother business firm
  02/18/20
Sounds pretty similar to Mini but only halfway, no?
self-centered exhilarant turdskin
  02/18/20
Similar, but without the Pell Grant expansion. Trump can ...
wonderful mother business firm
  02/18/20
Close the borders, let Americans take care of Americans.
sepia alcoholic personal credit line
  02/18/20
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Dessert Fox
  11/03/25
what's the update? thank god, my boi and girl Biden-Kamala f...
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  11/03/25
He exempting organizations that violate federal law, particu...
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  11/03/25


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Date: February 10th, 2020 2:52 PM
Author: Turquoise Misunderstood Bawdyhouse

LOL - unfucking real. People are gonna have insane balances

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39571900)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 9:24 PM
Author: Cracking white office

PSLF WAS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE CUT EVENTUALLY YOU WELFARE-MONGERGING FREELOADERS. FUCK ALL WELFARE PSLF FAGGOTS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39585911)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:32 AM
Author: racy electric furnace

lol @ PSLFmos:

Trump looks to kill student loan forgiveness program

As student debt continues to climb, President Donald Trump on Monday released a budget for 2021 that would slash many of the programs aimed at helping borrowers.

Student loan spending would be cut by $170 billion in Trump’s plan, titled “A Budget for America’s Future.” The reductions include “sensible annual and lifetime loan limits” for graduate students and parents and the end to subsidized loans, in which the government covers the interest for borrowers who are still in school or experiencing economic hardship.

It would also reduce the number of repayment options for borrowers and nix the popular, if challenged, public service loan forgiveness program.

That program, signed into law by President George W. Bush in 2007, allows not-for-profit and government employees to have their federal student loans canceled after 10 years of on-time payments. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau estimates that up to one-quarter of American workers are eligible.

“The Trump Administration already has a reputation of being anti-borrower,” said Mark Kantrowitz, a higher education policy expert. “This just takes it further.”

In all, Trump’s proposal would request $66.6 billion for the U.S. Department of Education, trimming the budget by $5.6 billion, or nearly 8%. The proposed cut is less steep than last year, when he called for a nearly 10% reduction in spending for the department.

Still, any cuts to student loan relief programs are unlikely to sit well with many voters.

Eighty percent of Americans agree that the government should make it easier for people with student debt to repay their loans, a study by The Pew Charitable Trusts found. Another poll found that nearly 60% of registered voters said they would support a plan to cancel all existing student loan debt.

Meanwhile, leading Democratic presidential candidates on the campaign trail are vowing to cancel the majority or all of the country’s outstanding student loan debt.

Bernie Sanders has proposed wiping out the country’s $1.6 trillion outstanding student loan tab.

Elizabeth Warren’s plan would cancel $50,000 in student debt for borrowers with household incomes of less than $100,000. People who earn between $100,000 and $250,000 would be eligible for forgiveness on a sliding scale.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/10/trump-proposes-end-to-student-loan-forgiveness-program.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575630)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:33 AM
Author: Rusted Electric Doctorate Pervert

Sanders needs to win!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575632)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:34 AM
Author: Up-to-no-good Idiotic Cruise Ship Private Investor

#MAGA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575635)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:36 AM
Author: Vivacious fortuitous meteor site

Holy shit

Fuck this kike nut sucking faggot boomer

Sanders has my vote not flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575638)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:36 AM
Author: Floppy lettuce useless brakes

OH WHAT A POPULISM WE HAVE ENJOYED THESE 4 YEARS

*Bannon breakdancing in corner*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575641)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:39 AM
Author: racy electric furnace

i thought bannon supported some kind of loan reform/forgiveness. scrapping PSLF is more of a paul ryanist/jinxian move.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575645)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:39 AM
Author: Rusted Electric Doctorate Pervert

Making Papa Earl proud, if you will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575653)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:42 AM
Author: Floppy lettuce useless brakes

that's the point.

the whole 'BANNON populism' promise has been utterly irrelevant from day 1. they ran him out of the administration within 9 months and filled the whole place with Jeb retreads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575660)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:43 AM
Author: Vivacious fortuitous meteor site

Titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575662)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:49 AM
Author: Ruddy school cafeteria

That's what the Jew does. Uses "populism' to cuck the goy into putting him in power, then strikes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575677)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:39 AM
Author: Ruddy school cafeteria

I think you meant *Shlomo & Kushner breakdancing in corner*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575646)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:43 AM
Author: Indecent rehab

Like 28% of the country has a college degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575661)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:44 AM
Author: Floppy lettuce useless brakes

wow, that's hardly anybody...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575665)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:46 AM
Author: Vivacious fortuitous meteor site

Cr they probably only contribute 90% of taxes also

Fuck this FAGGOT MASONIC JAHBULON COCK SUCKING PEDO FUCKING COUNTRY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575670)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:48 AM
Author: Indecent rehab

CR. They're also concentrated in non-Trump states. So not only is it bad policy to cater for them in and of itself, but both numerically and electorally it's bad politics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575676)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:49 AM
Author: Vivacious fortuitous meteor site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575678)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:53 AM
Author: Floppy lettuce useless brakes

36% of millennials have a college degree (many more with 'some college' which they are still paying for).

'Trump states' -- as though 101% of Trump voters are HS dropout HVAC techs who are now entirely economically secure for all time under the TRUMP ECONOMIC MIRACLE! this is idiotic reasoning.

student debt affects middle/working-class Trump voters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575694)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 6:00 AM
Author: Indecent rehab

72% of the country doesn't have a college degree. Wages for lower earners have been rising very well. LOL at you literally wanting to cut that down to pay for Sh'Variance and Ashlynne to get shitlib madrassa degrees.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575706)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 6:02 AM
Author: Floppy lettuce useless brakes

god, you're retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575712)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 6:32 AM
Author: Indecent rehab

GRRR Trump needs to pay for swamp degrees!!!111ONEONE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575746)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:42 AM
Author: Cream magical crackhouse dingle berry

We are literally having a blue collar boom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575906)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:46 AM
Author: racy electric furnace

now do people who actually bother to vote.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575671)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:49 AM
Author: Indecent rehab

Now do average loan balances and now do what states they tend to live in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575679)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:48 AM
Author: Ruddy school cafeteria

Fuck those goys!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575675)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:50 AM
Author: Vivacious fortuitous meteor site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575682)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:37 AM
Author: multi-colored primrose marketing idea

Guess what.... right next to this every year in the presidents proposed budget to congress is a yuuge amount of money for the wall.

Of course that hasn't happened, and either will this. It's a proposal to congress that they will ignore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575895)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:51 AM
Author: topaz yapping point legal warrant

Fuck this ttt shiteating faggot vote sanders

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575687)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:55 AM
Author: Vivacious fortuitous meteor site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575697)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 5:56 AM
Author: Ruddy school cafeteria

he's a commie jew- and yes, he's cucking you too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575699)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 6:01 AM
Author: zippy indigo piazza

lol 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575708)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 6:27 AM
Author: Vigorous Startling Water Buffalo

Honest question: what in the federal PSLF terms that borrowers sign would give the Feds the ability to change this retroactively? How does this not result in a huge lawsuit if it actually happens? Especially given that there's already a huge lawsuit because DOE can't operate the program effectively. Not to mention that if Trump was looking for the best possible way to boost Dem turnout and spike volunteers for the Dem nom he's found it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575740)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 6:44 AM
Author: zippy indigo piazza

AFAIK PSLF isn't in the loan note, and isn't even something you really apply for until you've made the qualifying number of payments, *and* isn't guaranteed but subject to the availability of funds. Heh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575762)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:11 AM
Author: Vigorous Startling Water Buffalo

Based on what little I remember from the public interest careers presentations I mistakenly stumbled into in lol school, there's a fraud claim or at least a detrimental reliance theory in there somewhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575802)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:14 AM
Author: zippy indigo piazza

fraud by the law schools for misrepresenting the program, possibly, sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575805)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 2:59 PM
Author: shimmering contagious death wish selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39578387)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:10 AM
Author: Buff generalized bond

Sovereignty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575799)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:08 AM
Author: self-centered exhilarant turdskin

Sounds right for the GOP. Lots of tax breaks for billionaires - you're just starting out? Sorry nothing for you tehehhe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575795)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:09 AM
Author: Buff generalized bond

The Democrats should have implemented his budget in 2018 and they'd easily win this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575798)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:13 AM
Author: Nudist Hairy Legs

Lmao 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575804)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 2:57 PM
Author: Buck-toothed walnut persian



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39578379)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:28 AM
Author: multi-colored primrose marketing idea

He proposed this every year of his term. And it gets killed even by the GOP Congress. Dumb of him to propose, but not gonna happen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575875)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:35 AM
Author: self-centered exhilarant turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575892)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:29 AM
Author: yellow bespoke indirect expression orchestra pit

Amazing. Fuck deadbeats. Pay your debts like responsible people did.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575881)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:31 AM
Author: self-centered exhilarant turdskin

Trump supporters aren't allowed to say this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575886)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:34 AM
Author: yellow bespoke indirect expression orchestra pit

Most people who go to college have far higher incomes that people who do not go to college. It’s insane to take public money and transfer it to high income people. The high income people should just pay their debts. In the vast majority of cases, the debts are serviceable based on the salaries of the graduates. It’s rare when someone owes say $200k and makes $30k it happens from time to time but it is very unusual.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575889)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:37 AM
Author: self-centered exhilarant turdskin

This is about aspiring PSLF recipients not high income earners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575897)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:09 AM
Author: garnet low-t deer antler

Got 120K wiped away tax free. How much does that hurt?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576508)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 12:58 PM
Author: House-broken Henna Volcanic Crater

Cr 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39577656)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 1:00 PM
Author: Ruddy school cafeteria

(Brought to you by the Jewish Bankers Association)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39577668)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:35 AM
Author: tan heady dilemma masturbator

These budgets are nothing but virtue signaling to his base, lol at this ever getting through Congress

That being said - Trumpmos, this is what your boy actually thinks of you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575893)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:38 AM
Author: self-centered exhilarant turdskin

Ding ding ding

Populist MAGA emperor will happily drop billions for tax cuts for GC or funding Israel defense.

Loan forgiveness? Let them eat cake.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575899)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:40 AM
Author: tan heady dilemma masturbator

Fiscal responsibility is very importa- *suitcase full of shekels and drone bombers spills across the Oval Office floor*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575902)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:49 AM
Author: balding diverse reading party

Doesn’t even say it would be retroactive. Not saying it should be nixed completely but let’s be honest these programs aren’t sustainable as long as tuition keeps rising. If he caps the amounts allowed for graduate students like the article says that’s a big step.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575934)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 8:19 AM
Author: tan heady dilemma masturbator

Why is this the "non sustainable" relief plan to get fully gutted instead of one of the billion boomer life rafts?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575984)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 7:58 AM
Author: Metal Startled Whorehouse Factory Reset Button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575956)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 8:20 AM
Author: tan heady dilemma masturbator

Don't underestimate how this plays to his core base of non-degree having dumbs too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575986)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:44 AM
Author: Metal Startled Whorehouse Factory Reset Button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576388)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:54 AM
Author: Sienna flatulent rigor

Galleria, folks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576432)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:54 AM
Author: crimson aggressive range

hey ur a really smart special jew youll figure out how to pay those loans

:^)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576434)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 4:23 PM
Author: Vivacious fortuitous meteor site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39578838)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 4:26 PM
Author: Vivacious fortuitous meteor site

all in the game yo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39578854)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 12:45 PM
Author: Ruddy school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39607506)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 12:48 PM
Author: exciting bearded set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39607520)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 1:00 PM
Author: unholy athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39607566)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:56 AM
Author: flirting organic girlfriend

100% correct. The comments on any news article about this will be riled up boomer truck drivers saying things like "SO MUCH FOR YOUR LIBERAL ARTS DEGREE NOW!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576442)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:47 AM
Author: Bright Antidepressant Drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576399)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 8:03 AM
Author: Medicated Potus Dog Poop

oh what a populist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39575962)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:48 AM
Author: Soul-stirring Institution Ladyboy

The article doesn't say that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576402)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:51 AM
Author: flirting organic girlfriend

BOOMERS



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576416)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:53 AM
Author: crimson aggressive range

180 fuck lawyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576427)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:55 AM
Author: naked resort

Good. Fuck you all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576438)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 9:58 AM
Author: Useless ultramarine weed whacker

The student loan issue will never be addressed until schools are incentivized to drop tuition and fees.

Why not have a tax on endowments that ratchets downward as the sticker price for school goes below certain levels (tuition + room & board)?

So for example, have an annual endowment tax of 20% that ratchets down to 0% if total yearly student costs are below $10k or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576451)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:11 AM
Author: Puce talking jew menage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576515)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:33 AM
Author: 180 hot hospital alpha

I have long thought of this - or have student debt be recourse to university endowments - so every student that attends and can't pay the university picks up the tab.

These ideas make too much sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576625)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:37 AM
Author: Useless ultramarine weed whacker

another way to do this is to permit more government grants/loans as sticker price goes down.

So for example, perhaps the govt gives you $0 for a school where sticker cost > $50k, $5k where sticker is $25k, and the full amount where sticker is < $10k. You could have it be a sliding scale all the way down.

Then students can say hey, why does this cost so much?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576680)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:42 AM
Author: Up-to-no-good Idiotic Cruise Ship Private Investor

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576722)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 12:52 PM
Author: aquamarine national yarmulke

I've been impotently pushing claw backs/guarantees for years online. Welcome aboard!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39577626)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 1:09 PM
Author: 180 hot hospital alpha

Hopefully we can forcememe this into IRL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39577729)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 9:08 PM
Author: Pea-brained parlour



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39585845)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 9:10 PM
Author: Pea-brained parlour

It’s the simplest, least disruptive “fix”. If your education is really worth $70K a year, fine, you guarantee the loans and the students shouldn’t have any problems. If not, well, maybe the price needs some adjustment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39585854)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:35 AM
Author: crimson aggressive range



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576648)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 12:50 PM
Author: aquamarine national yarmulke

Bring back bankruptcy. Require schools to guarantee some portion of federally backed loans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39577609)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 1:00 PM
Author: House-broken Henna Volcanic Crater

Great idea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39577665)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 2:56 PM
Author: Excitant sooty public bath

Horrible ideas. Why not just make college free and pay off all existing student loan debt?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39578377)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 12:59 PM
Author: unholy athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39607564)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:34 AM
Author: Bat shit crazy meetinghouse

Only affects new borrowers and he’s tried this like 3 times already and GOP turns him down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576635)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:39 AM
Author: multi-colored primrose marketing idea

First half that is most important. And blows out OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576695)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:35 AM
Author: Metal Startled Whorehouse Factory Reset Button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576645)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 10:56 AM
Author: Peach Appetizing Sandwich Spot

I'm all for crushing deadbeats and stopping handouts, but also in favor of encouraging public service. We do not want ALL below median prosecutors. Also, no way his "budget" actually passes so guessing it will remain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39576840)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 12:57 PM
Author: Nudist Hairy Legs

Guy who couldn't get hired at prosecutors office here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39577648)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 2:53 PM
Author: Peach Appetizing Sandwich Spot

School tier and class rank?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39578359)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 3:07 PM
Author: Laughsome fanboi box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39578413)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 3:10 PM
Author: Buck-toothed walnut persian

"Public service"

LJL

I can't believe what is considered "public service" these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39578436)



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Date: February 11th, 2020 12:43 PM
Author: Carmine spectacular abode boistinker

the better part of the proposal is capping graduate loans at $110K lifetime max.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39577565)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 8:54 PM
Author: Turquoise Misunderstood Bawdyhouse

lol at lawfags here arguing detrimental reliance

Literally you could make the same argument for taxes. You raised my taxes and I could have sold two years ago at lower so give me my lower tax rate!

Nope - sorry. Pay what you OWE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39585802)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 9:04 PM
Author: irradiated casino chad

Cr. My taxes contract is hella long too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39585831)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 9:15 PM
Author: Citrine Ratface

President Obama suggested capping PSLF at only $57,500 for the 2015 budget. His own party resisted and the measure died.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39585872)



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Date: February 12th, 2020 9:21 PM
Author: Citrine Ratface

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58486ccae4b013b566b2ba54/amp

Public Service Loan Forgiveness and Breach of Contract Claims

Equal Justice Works

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Updated Mar 07, 2017

When a current borrower acquired a Federal Direct Loan from the federal government, the borrower signed a Master Promissory Note (“MPN”) which promised, among other things, eligibility for Public Service Loan Forgiveness (“PSLF”) upon the completion of certain conditions. In short, the current borrower maintains a contract with the federal government for PSLF. So if Congress passed a law that disrupted a contractual promise, i.e. PSLF, with current borrowers, does a claim for breach of contract exist?

When the government is a party to a contract, it is known as a “public contract” (as opposed to a “private contract”) and special rules apply. First, according to the Supreme Court, the government must consent to being sued, even in the event the government breaches a contract. The Tucker Act serves as the federal government’s consent to being sued for breach of contract. However, that statute only allows the government to consent to being sued for money damages, and thus the government cannot be compelled to complete a breached contract or required to stop the activity that led to the breached contract.

Second, the government has “sovereign defenses” that are not available to non-government parties. The two primary “sovereign defenses” are the (1) unmistakability doctrine, and (2) sovereign acts doctrine.

The two sovereign defenses, while technically separate defenses, typically work hand-in-hand. This is because courts will, in most cases, examine the defenses together. The way that these defenses work is best understood with an example.

David is a current borrower with loans covered by an MPN promising PSLF. In 2017, Congress passes an act repealing PSLF for current borrowers. This same year, David satisfies the requirements for PSLF and seeks to have his remaining loans forgiven. His request is denied. David then files a lawsuit in federal court alleging that the federal government has breached their contract with David by failing to forgive his loan balance. As usually happens, the federal government admits they breached the contract but argues that David is ineligible for damages because of ”sovereign defenses.”

The federal court in their analysis would first apply the “sovereign acts doctrine” defense. This defense would bar David’s claim if the government could prove that Congress’ new law is a “sovereign act.” A “sovereign act” is a law that is “public and general,” i.e. (1) designed to benefit the public welfare, (2) not designed to or does not have the primary effect of helping the government avoid its contractual obligations to current borrowers under PSLF, and (3) does not place the majority of the impact of the law on current borrowers under contract with the federal government.

If the court determined the law to not be a “sovereign act,” then the court would ignore the “unmistakability doctrine” defense, and allow David to proceed with his claim. While a court could decide either way on the issue, recent case law does exist where courts have held that new laws affecting repayment provisions on existing loan contracts to not be “sovereign acts.”

However, if the court determined the law to be a “sovereign act,” then the court would proceed with an analysis under the “unmistakability doctrine” defense. Under this defense, the court would look at David’s MPN to see whether or not the contract contained a provision that “unmistakably” confirmed that the government intended that the terms of the agreement not be affected by future laws. As no MPNs contain such a provision, the “unmistakability doctrine” defense would likely bar David’s contract claim from moving forward.

All in all, the reality is this: The Tucker Act makes the government eligible for breach of contract claims for damages. In the event Congress passes a law removing PSLF for current borrowers, and thus breaching MPNs, the success or failure of a borrower’s ability to bring such a claim likely comes down to whether or not courts consider such a law to be a “sovereign act.”

Equal Justice Works helps support public interest attorneys and law students learn more about income-driven repayment plans and PSLF. We have a debt relief newsletter, free student debt webinars, and a free student debt e-book, Take Control of Your Future.

Kenneth Strickland is the Student Debt Specialist at Equal Justice Works, where he works to ensure that public interest legal jobs remain accessible to all who desire them through engaging in education, outreach, and policy analysis centered around ensuring that an affordable legal education remains an option for everyone. Ken is a recent graduate from the University of North Carolina School of Law, and has worked with reputable public service organizations such as North Carolina Advocates for Justice, American Civil Liberties of North Carolina, and the North Carolina Poverty Research Fund.

This post was published on the now-closed HuffPost Contributor platform. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. If you need to flag this entry as abusive, send us an email.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39585901)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 12:51 PM
Author: wonderful mother business firm

Absolutely devastating for PSLFmos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39607532)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 2:48 PM
Author: aquamarine national yarmulke

Sounds like the sovereign act defense is relatively weak.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39608050)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 12:52 PM
Author: charismatic twinkling forum legend

If we start to get rid of all these handout programs AND make it harder to get student loans maybe the boomer scum in higher education will drop tuition rates. Just a thought you losers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39607538)



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Date: February 17th, 2020 2:50 PM
Author: aquamarine national yarmulke

Bring back bankruptcy, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39608056)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:02 PM
Author: self-centered exhilarant turdskin

cf, mini.

Democratic presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg on Tuesday released a new $700 billion higher education plan that calls for free community college and doubling Pell Grants for low-income students.

The former New York City mayor's proposal would significantly increase federal spending on higher education and aims to target those subsidies to lower-income families. It doesn’t go as far as proposals by other Democrats to eliminate tuition at public, four year universities for large swaths of students or provide student loan forgiveness on the scale that progressives have sought.

Bloomberg would eliminate tuition at community colleges for all students, embracing a proposal President Barack Obama first made in 2015 and that has since become a key pillar of Democratic higher education plans.

The plan also calls for making community college and four-year public colleges “debt-free” for low-income students, meaning they would not have to take out loans to finance tuition or other costs like books, food and transportation. The benefit would be available to families that earn, on average, less than $30,000 a year, according to the Bloomberg campaign.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/18/mike-bloomberg-community-college-student-loans-115703

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39613822)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:06 PM
Author: sepia alcoholic personal credit line

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39613854)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:14 PM
Author: wonderful mother business firm

lol just do keep throwing money at higher ed and refuse to force them to lower expenses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39613874)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:17 PM
Author: self-centered exhilarant turdskin

Fair criticism. What is Trump proposing to reduce the burden of the cost of education on students? Besides gutting PSLF of course

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39613890)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:23 PM
Author: wonderful mother business firm

Proposed more funding for technical training and alternatives to the traditional four year degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39613915)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:25 PM
Author: self-centered exhilarant turdskin

Sounds pretty similar to Mini but only halfway, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39613935)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 5:34 PM
Author: wonderful mother business firm

Similar, but without the Pell Grant expansion.

Trump can be criticized on this front as well. No one has any interest in going after higher ed costs even though its a winning issue with millenials.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39613967)



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Date: February 18th, 2020 6:59 PM
Author: sepia alcoholic personal credit line

Close the borders, let Americans take care of Americans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#39614328)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 12:50 PM
Author: Dessert Fox



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#49397805)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 12:51 PM
Author: '''''"'"''"'

what's the update? thank god, my boi and girl Biden-Kamala forgave $250k of my loans. i repaid them by voting for Trump. feels good to pull up the ladder like a boomer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#49397809)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 1:07 PM
Author: gibberish (?)

He exempting organizations that violate federal law, particularly by harboring illegal aliens.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4442288&forum_id=2)#49397871)