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How long do BIGLAW partners who aren't billing last?
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:08 PM Author: gay earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48954513) |
Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:11 PM Author: Wife shaving her vagina before a business trip If they are originating, forever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48954521) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:12 PM Author: gay earth what about the "proliferators" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48954523) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:14 PM Author: hank_scorpio depends, if they have a book they can just manage that forever and if they hand it off slowly as they age they can stick around a long ass time if the firm doesn't have mandatory retirement, I knew one dood who was 87 and there is no way he billed more than an hour a day but presumably there where still some old clients who liked to hear from him on the phone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48954533) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:16 PM Author: gay earth I'm more talking about junior partners not originators. just people who run cases for firm clients or pitch cases to firm clients but then they get slow.
I know a few who are billing 0 hours right now. They do a lot of firm committees and internal shit but I bet they've billed less than 100 hours over the past 6 months. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:31 PM Author: hank_scorpio they are all fucked very hard in the ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48954627) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:32 PM Author: indian rage in its purest form ((zurich is stained)) Cr. No way they last another year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48954630) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:36 PM Author: tarrifs How is that possible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48954644) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 7:26 PM Author: """'"'"""'' BIGLAW gets rid of people very slowly. You first get a warning, then some time to fix problem, then get asked to leave, then get 6 months. there are people who make entire careers out of hopping firms every 2 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48954910) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:00 PM Author: ;,;.;,.,;,.,;,;,.; This is credited. Believe it or not, firms generally don’t want to fire people and when they do (barring something egregious—fucking the cleaning lady) they’re very slow to do it and they will try to position the person for success somewhere else, especially if they’re a senior associate / junior partner. And there are people who take advantage of this dynamic and flip from firm to firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48955186) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:37 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., sounds like women/URMs -- 0 billiables and a bunch of internal bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48954647) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 9:55 PM Author: ;,;.;,.,;,.,;,;,.; These people are all going to get fired if they stay and half of them are likely already looking for new jobs but you just don’t know it. Firms hate paying for nonproductive service partners.
I’ve seen otherwise good doods (talking well liked, good track record, consistent performers) have an “off year” of 1000/1200/1400 or whatever because of some combo of bad luck or bad timing and they survive. Note even in that off year they were hustling, doing biz. dev., had concrete explanations for why shit didn’t work out. But I’ve never seen someone literally putting in 0/near 0 months month after month not either get shitcanned or leave. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:00 PM Author: Ass Sunstein If you are, let's say, a black woman, would this be possible to get away with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48955185) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:02 PM Author: Drunkard Not any more. Once DEI died, everyone shit canned the minorities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48955189) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:03 PM Author: ;,;.;,.,;,.,;,;,.; Not in my experience. You might be able to get away with turning in those 1000/1200/1400 years while doing 1000 hours of diversity shit but firms won’t tolerate paying someone in excess of 500k as a pure cost center.
What I have seen happen is they’ll sometimes get offered some sort of minimized or non billing role like a knowledge manage attorney or diversity officer or some shit like that. It usually comes with a pay cut but they’re no longer under billing pressure either. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:17 PM Author: Drunkard Even at 1000 hours you are break even. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48955211) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2025 11:07 PM Author: """'"'"""'' right but that's what he's saying. if you have one terrible year (and I consider 1000 terrible) that might be OK if you have a long history and it's just an off year.
but billing 0 per month and maybe 500 for the year is not acceptable. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 7:47 AM Author: ....,,....,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.......,.,.,.,.,..,. Even 15 years ago DEI partners could get by on 1k hours. Can’t imagine they’re held to a higher standard now. I was able to view everyone’s hours then and could see that some DEI partners would bill like 1100 hours with 400 coming from taking two minor depos in a sprawling class action suit (and of course they had someone else draft their outlines). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48955729) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 10:02 AM Author: He flexed his right muscle. How is it possible to bill 0 hours in a month? You’d have to be actively trying to avoid doing work. I’d say there is at least 50 hours a month of just random follow on shit from past deals that I’d have to deal with in any given month. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48955921) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 7:48 AM Author: i gave my cousin head RSF is still listed as a partner going on ten years now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48955730) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:06 AM Author: Dickey Simpkins If you are a service partner making $500K and billing $1000 hour, even at 1000 hours they will keep you if your “service” is niche at all. You can expect a hefty bonus if you make it up to 1500.
It also depend on who you are servicing. If your rainmaker has an $8m+ book but needs your “service” then even at 1K hours you’re very valuable. If you’re just doing fungible work then it’s different.
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 10:03 AM Author: Covid was a Hoax depends on what the partnership contract says. it used to be forever. now its not long. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728918&forum_id=2)#48955924) |