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Bill Clinton was a pretty good POTUS outside of his economic record
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Date: July 18th, 2025 5:33 AM Author: Turquoise Pungent Dilemma Codepig The Lewinsky thing really damaged his prospects for a decent legacy From what I recall he had an LBJ style of leadership and direction but was much less abrasive towards his subordinates than Johnson infamously was. Those were pretty golden years for the country |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 7:30 AM Author: Unholy corner Kinda like saying Bill Cosby was a pretty good dude outside the serial rape. NAFTA literally and without exaggeration destroyed America. (Reagan and Bush were also responsible, and fuck them for it.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111239) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 7:39 AM Author: Passionate sable coffee pot elastic band The republican caucus needs to be held to account for NAFTA. Furthermore, it’s the Senate that ratifies treaties, not POTUS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111245) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 7:43 AM Author: Unholy corner Everyone who had a hand in it should be held accountable. Do you have anything more substantive on this issue than 8th grade civics assertions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111248) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 8:16 AM Author: Passionate sable coffee pot elastic band Congress has the power to Coin Money imo. Tbh I’m Moslem so I’m not big into birdshit governance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111283) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 8:56 AM Author: Hairraiser swollen school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111336) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 7:01 PM Author: Snowy hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49112976) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:18 AM Author: rambunctious mahogany parlour MAGA tried to unwind it somewhat and most of the based anti-gc poasters started fuming about their gc assets losing value (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111371) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:08 AM Author: Turquoise Pungent Dilemma Codepig at the time it really wasn't clear what sorts of effects NAFTA would have on the economy (and to be fair, most of the deindustrialization wasn't from companies offshoring facilities to mexico or canada, but to china and the far east) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111353) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:16 AM Author: Passionate sable coffee pot elastic band It was clear and Ross Perot showed us iirc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111366) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:20 AM Author: rambunctious mahogany parlour perot was seen by most as a kook. the smartest people in the room on both sides agreed and in the 90s it wasn't as apparent how demonic and selfish they are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111373) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:32 AM Author: Turquoise Pungent Dilemma Codepig NAFTA really wasn't a death blow anyway. the job loss totals were something like 350-450k and that was buttressed by 200-250k created (many of these, admittedly, were in lower value fields) and quite drastic gains in GDP as well as positive effects on consumer prices and the quantity and variety of goods available to purchasers. these are rough but commonly accepted estimates as the concurrent rise of silicon valley and the tech economy created a massive glut of new positions at the time and the data makes it hard to extrapolate what's creating what it's a single event in a much longer trend towards offshoring manufacturing and production, and most of that wound up in asia. with NAFTA you could argue that it at least benefited two of the US' most valuable strategic and trade partners and was supposed to be part of a framework for a closer knit North America whereas with china i don't know what the fuck US planners were thinking, (especially after Jiang left his premiership) other than increasing short term profits at the cost of burning the citizenry |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:38 AM Author: rambunctious mahogany parlour cr. however i think NAFTA is often used as shorthand for globalism or a major policy that references the overall trend. although im sure there are also retards who think its all NAFTA rather than a myriad of policies and changing norms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111396) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:41 AM Author: Turquoise Pungent Dilemma Codepig it should be distinguished then as NAFTA was supposed to be the groundswork for a more comprehensive attempt at setting up a north american schengen type treaty and the last bit of progressive and expansionary planning done by DC before 9/11 and its after effects turned most of US foreign policy into managing and mitigating imperial decline (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111401) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:44 AM Author: rambunctious mahogany parlour i agree: retards should stop being retarded. lmk when you have an action plan on how we can accomplish that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111407) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:54 AM Author: Turquoise Pungent Dilemma Codepig tbf i wouldn't call someone retarded for not mentally distinguishing between the two, it's not exactly obscure but it's technical and with the way news and the news cycle work now there isn't much great coverage or dissections of the past unless you keep up with credible print media FOX or CNN or what have you orient the vast majority of their content around the present for maximum pressure on the viewer to stay engaged and in their programmatic OODA loops |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:02 AM Author: rambunctious mahogany parlour i think its a mistake to consider MSM and the flaws in information dissemination as the cause of, rather than something that caters to, human nature.
with the internet anyone curious and intelligent enough to learn things has the ability to. TV used to have much more in-depth and serious discussions. it was replaced with salicious reality tv level slop because thats what the average person wants. if fox news aired a william f buckley grade program few would watch it. and i know this because this level of discourse is available yet fuentes, destiny, piers morgan, and rachel maddow all get way more views. |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:22 AM Author: Turquoise Pungent Dilemma Codepig wow i had a several paragraph reply to this typed up and my ancillary laptop died and erased it all rip. not typing that again tldr there's a faction of market liberal that clearly wants to reduce the great deal of people within the populace to the level of utterly manipulable cattle and it's important to avoid language or ideas that might imply that you're a part of this group as it's seeming pretty likely that once they're named and identified in the minds of the public they're not going to be around for much longer media companies bear the lion's share of responsibility for the types and quality of content and information that they put out to the masses and these sorts of decisions are made on a top-down basis. it's hard to credibly give the majority of the blame to the average viewer when accounting for the burdens and stresses they're under on the day to day |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:45 AM Author: rambunctious mahogany parlour i don't disageee with your first paragraph i just think you have the causation backwards in the second. if the media landscape disappeared people would still be the same. the media landscape became what it was because it catered to (and took advantage of) human nature.
and i know this to be true because we've seen the traditional media landscape decline significantly and people still choose salacious slop over nuance and truth. thats why i put feuntes and destiny in the mix with pier and maddow.
with an endless sea of options people still choose slop. there isn't a top-down force. in fact in fuentes case he was canceled for a time from major platforms. there are plenty of highbrow and nuanced sources at everyones finger tips. |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:20 AM Author: rambunctious mahogany parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111374) |
Date: July 18th, 2025 7:43 AM Author: diverse toilet seat haunted graveyard weak on AQ and caused 9/11 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111247) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 8:03 AM Author: anal fortuitous meteor business firm Ashkenazi Question? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111264) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 8:03 AM Author: diverse toilet seat haunted graveyard arabic question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111266) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 7:08 PM Author: Underhanded smoky menage newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49112996) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 8:05 AM Author: white trip electric furnace dingle berry he seems to just have been lucky with economy, which was causedby tech boom
he didnt do anything major, he was just a transition potus to the destruction of the US which started with dubya and jews doing 9-11 |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:09 AM Author: primrose very tactful prole bbw he's the only president who didn't deficit spend like a BUCKWILD NIGGA. sure the booming economy is why he ran a surplus, but that's happened in other periods too in the last 50 years and presidents just jacked up spending or cut taxes to keep the boom fraud cycle spinning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111354) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:13 AM Author: Turquoise Pungent Dilemma Codepig expanded the eic and gave the states more leeway/rights on a variety of different economic avenues also did a lot for workers rights iirc without kowtowing to union demands |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:24 AM Author: rambunctious mahogany parlour gop senate is responsible for that along with a more sensible democratic party. and clinton too. the golden years of the 90s is something both sides can and should take credit for. although it also came largely from gc expansion which was ultimately ruinous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111380) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:44 AM Author: primrose very tactful prole bbw gc expansion was still good for the economy in the long run, it's society it was bad for. without NAFTA and cheap mexicans we'd have gone down a somewhat more japanese path (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111410) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:52 AM Author: rambunctious mahogany parlour only if you define "the economy" as exclusively a country's GDP. we used to consider stuff like cost of living, quality of life, and various other microeconomic factors and how the citizens of a country are faring economically as part of "the economy."
"the economy" should rightly, and has historically, been understand as the economic conditions overall and not just one slice of it. |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:54 AM Author: primrose very tactful prole bbw housing prices (which is the vast majority of realistically what people have issues with--It's the Housing, Stupid) aren't high because of some flaw with the economy; they are a symptom of a strong economy which can't build fast enough. japan is a pretty damn good example of this: they had the highest housing prices in the world in the late 80s, and now they're dirt cheap compared to america. lack of NAFTA only makes the economy "better" in the sense that housing prices would indeed be lower if our GDP were weaker, but you also wouldn't have the level of income you do today (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111428) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:57 AM Author: rambunctious mahogany parlour is your theory of the housing shortage truly that it's caused by homebuilders not being able to keep up with demands because of economic reasons (shortage of labor and materials?) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111434) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:05 AM Author: primrose very tactful prole bbw it's a combination of a) the economy being very good for the past 35 years which means more people have money to spend on houses period, b) the top 10% (who are the main benefactors of the good economy) disproportionately influencing the price of housing which buttfucks everyone else, c) not keeping up with demand. the latter is due to a combination of lib red tape, NIMBY shit, or simple land constraints (depending on where you are)
but yes, the root cause is the economy. if your economy sucks, housing is cheap (unless you live in south africa or something similar) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:33 AM Author: rambunctious mahogany parlour i mostly agree but a few comments:
1) gdp going up does indeed make housing go up in absolute terms, but not necessarily in real terms. i.e. if peoples jncomes had rose at the rate of gdp then the real price of housing would not go up even if the price in dollars did.
2) i dont think the housing prices are fairly attributed to the economy being too strong to meet demand. that statement doesnt even make sense in this context becaue with sufficient resources a functioning economy will meet a demand unless something prevents it. which is whats happening here. |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 8:24 PM Author: Passionate sable coffee pot elastic band What about the fact that most cities are Ruined and when people talk about housing they’re talking about like 5 cities tops? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49113182) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:21 AM Author: chocolate cruel-hearted national voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111376) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 8:08 AM Author: Wonderful internal respiration Like all boomers he was extremely lucky re: timing and did a lot worse with his circumstances than a non-boomer would have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111273) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:39 AM Author: Elite Motley Associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111398) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 9:45 AM Author: brilliant dashing trailer park hunting ground yeah, this is like saying OldHLSDude is a "pretty good" father lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111412) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:05 AM Author: blue corn cake Bill Clinton was a rockstar, if you like that sort of thing in a POTUS-- people would swoon in his presence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49111446) |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 10:06 AM Author: thriller sneaky criminal chapel He lucked into the Internet boom. That sign singing Don't Ask Don't Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act were 180 moves. |
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Date: July 18th, 2025 7:09 PM Author: Underhanded smoky menage newt The Clinton admin is really when the Jews kicked it into overdrive, almost an all-Jewish cabinet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5751724&forum_id=2)#49113000) |