The context is that I forbid use of Gen AI, but wink wink nudge nudge suggest that if they cheat, and God help their souls recover from their slothful and deceitful ways, they should be doing so thoughtfully and carefully, such that I can't tell. In this class, half of the papers had similar first lines and similar, shitty main arguments. Many reused phrases from the prompt in incoherent ways, as if they just tried to plug it in and let it do what it do.

Education is a joke now and I'm at wit's end. I've never been sincerely angered by students before, but disrespecting my time when I've always made it a point to give detailed feedback hits home, as if a personal slap to the face.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832142)

just pick 4-5 white kids and sit them down and tell them they need to learn as much as they can before it all ends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832546)

I mean I know the answer is that your administrators will chimp out after the kids and their parents complain. But that's what you're going to have to do in order to stop them from using AI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832558)

If that's how lex really feels about this (I'll let him speak for himself) then he should just leave the teaching profession asap

I agree that future classes of students will be just as likely - in fact, they will be much more likely - to use AI to do their assignments. So he either takes a stand on it now, and accepts having a reputation for zero tolerance on AI, or he spends the rest of his career going through the motions for a bunch of kids who are only there because they have the expectation that they can use AI to do all their work for them

It's not at all clear (to me) that having a reputation as a zero tolerance for AI professor would work out badly for him. But if it would, and he dislikes kids using AI to do their assignments, he should just get a new job. Because it's going to get much much "worse"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832611)

you might as well be telling a junior associate in biglaw "hey you've gotta send boundaries! just tell your clients and partners you don't respond to emails outside of normal working! otherwise they'll keep doing it."

im not speaking for lex here. perhaps he disagrees. but i know plenty of professors and they all complain about grade inflation and lowering standards that they have no real power to change.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832620)

I would offer constructive advice or encouragement but I don't really have any. It looks pretty dire. The only desirable options for educators will probably be group tutoring the children of the wealthy and (lower paid) teaching of kids in intentional pods run by groups of like-minded and intelligent but not as wealthy parents

Hoping for the best for you regardless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832795)

I do suspect AI is going to give kids too much temptation to fall into laziness, though, even with good teachers. In a different class earlier in the semester, I asked non-majors in comp sci-adjacent fields if they actually used AI to explain why python scripts work or if they just used it to generate scripts. Many kept insisting that it *can* be a good tool to learn python, but, curiously, no one would affirm that they actually used it in this sort of way. I think this will be most students, even at good schools. (I am not teaching at a TTT, for the record.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832765)

if someone wants to just get the education required to actually do their job, they should be allowed to. and if they want a broader scope they should have the opportunity for that too. but if the system just makes it a checkbox, its no suprise that the students who don't want to be there treat it as such.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832793)

There is currently a value in a degree as a credential, but even without AI, that value was already disappearing

I think people are going to be very surprised how quickly the higher education industry truly collapses. It has already quietly started - many colleges would already be shutting down if it wasn't for foreign "students." You are in a niche institution which may actually hold out longer than most imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832808)

How about breaking down the assignment so it's more difficult and less efficiency to use AI? E.g., live, in class write down a thesis. Live, in class, write down 3-5 supporting points. Live, in class, write one topic sentence for each of the sections with those 3-5 supporting points. Then, go write the essay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832604)

I actually do use multi-part prompts now, as opposed to the simple and broad ones a few years ago. It helps make it clear who didn't read it at all, but that doesn't always dissuade them, somehow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832785)

I was early on switching to oral exams, which seems more widespread now, but I still want to (have to) assign term papers. This used to be a fulfilling part of the job in graduate seminars. I like it when interested adults want to really engage with ideas and material, and many still do ime. But this development does seem poised to sour the whole thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832747)

I swear the chatbots are programmed to suggest wording by default as an intentional way to rot away people's brains

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832621)

It raises the floor, perhaps. Retards can meet a higher standard than before. But my fear is that it lowers the ceiling for smarter kids that were raised using this as a crutch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859102&forum_id=2)#49832742)