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Geoffrey Hinton demolishes Noam Chomsky’s life’s work
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Date: July 26th, 2025 11:53 PM Author: salmon drunken market calls him out by name, 5:10-6:20, says his theory of innate grammar is just stupid and anyone who buys into it is part of a cult
https://youtu.be/IkdziSLYzHw?si=PYcDdrX3Qm8KB07c
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Date: July 27th, 2025 12:05 AM Author: spruce indian lodge ape How does he destroy it he doesn’t even address it. He just says Chomsky’s theory of universal grammar is clearly wrong and behavioralism is clearly right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49134015) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 12:08 AM Author: Histrionic newt step-uncle's house jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49134018) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:35 AM Author: salmon drunken market he straight up says anyone who thinks language is innate is both stupid and part of a cult (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49134102) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 6:27 AM Author: Balding hairraiser base i was hoping for a bit more explanation as to why Chomsky is wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49134160) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 7:09 AM Author: spruce indian lodge ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49134181) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 7:52 AM Author: Balding hairraiser base altho it did remind me of that observation that scientific paradigms rarely shift by persuasion and mostly shift by the older view literally aging and dying out. (Chomsky's still alive, apparently. holy shit.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49134210) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 10:04 AM Author: salmon drunken market At this point I don’t think the neural net guys are trying to persuade them as much as they are just publicly dunking on them. These guys built an LLM based on their understanding of what language is and it works. Hard to argue with results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49134352) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 11:55 AM Author: clear pisswyrm parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49134547) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 12:11 AM Author: Shaky Gaped Lay The fact linguists were never able to build anything remotely as capable as ChatGPT (even in narrow domains like translation) should do a lot to diminish their credibility compared to ML people. Why should we believe anything they say? The biology aligns with connectionism too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49134026) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 8:35 AM Author: silver plaza famous landscape painting ..except linguistics is a core part of most AI systems, since its theories and concepts are used to parse text, construct sentences with proper grammar, etc. Also Chomsky himself predicted that the computationally-intense techniques of what eventually came to be known as ML/AI would be the only way to handle problems like translation because linguistics and science in general lack any fundamental understanding of how thought works. So maybe we should listen to what they have to say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49134250) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:10 PM Author: Shaky Gaped Lay linguistics is absolutely not a core part of modern AI systems. they dispensed with linguistic theories and trained powerful function approximators to learn to predict the next token. everything that comes out of it is an emergent property built on data and learning.
"also Chomsky himself predicted that the computationally-intense techniques of what eventually came to be known as ML/AI would be the only way to handle problems like translation because linguistics and science in general lack any fundamental understanding of how thought works."
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Date: July 27th, 2025 5:00 PM Author: silver plaza famous landscape painting Uhh if you ask ChatGPT itself if it uses any concepts or theories from linguistics I'm sure it'll disagree with what you just wrote
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Date: July 27th, 2025 5:36 PM Author: Shaky Gaped Lay ChatGPT knows about linguistics because it has read everything, but it wasn't programmed using linguistic knowledge. it's a decoder only transformer that maps vector representations of text segments to a vector representation of the next text segment. there's nothing resembling linguistics inside its operating mechanisms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49135469) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 11:47 AM Author: salmon drunken market explain your last sentence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49134537) |
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Date: July 28th, 2025 5:45 PM Author: Shaky Gaped Lay there is no evidence of specialized symbol circuitry in the brain. language representation occurs in the neocortex, which is anatomically very uniform and it appears to learn based on general pattern recognizers that wire up through learning. to the extent brains use symbols, they are learned patterns built out of synapses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49138359) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 11:54 AM Author: clear pisswyrm parlour "linguists" is a very broad category. lots of linguists have figured out very useful and cr stuff, like cucumbers said
in general though yeah Liberal Artists are Frauds |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 11:56 AM Author: clear pisswyrm parlour nobody would have ever known who chomsky was or given credence to any of his "theories" if he wasn't a leftist jew
many such cases |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 12:13 PM Author: Histrionic newt step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49134581) |
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Date: July 28th, 2025 5:08 PM Author: salmon drunken market this is wrong. when you do as much scholarly output from MIT as he has done it tends to have an impact irrespective of political beliefs, and he was famous for his work in linguistics before anyone knew his politics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49138258) |
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Date: July 28th, 2025 5:28 PM Author: Histrionic newt step-uncle's house Date: July 28th, 2025 5:10 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,.
one of my favorite things to do is watch porn and see if I can bust without touching, which is doable but harder than it sounds
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755622&forum_id=2#49138262)
also linguistics is a bullshit field for low iq jew grinders to rent seek because philology got shitcanned as a result of the holocaust, which never happened (but should have) also jews were too dumb for that discipline anyway |
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Date: July 28th, 2025 5:35 PM Author: salmon drunken market Did you feel that reply wasn’t relevant to the thread topic or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49138334) |
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Date: July 28th, 2025 6:47 PM Author: Histrionic newt step-uncle's house dumb question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49138473) |
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Date: July 28th, 2025 7:36 PM Author: metal beta party of the first part "He was interviewed by CBS news one time in 1961. He was already famous." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49138628) |
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Date: July 28th, 2025 6:51 PM Author: metal beta party of the first part No shit. He used to claim the media was controlled by "advertisers." He said the WSJ is more honest than the NYT because they can't get away with lying to their subscribers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49138484) |
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Date: July 28th, 2025 7:40 PM Author: metal beta party of the first part SHOCKING DISCOVERY: CIA hack installed as an "acadmemic" at MIT caused other academics to waste time debunking his shitty theories. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755078&forum_id=2)#49138645) |