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ECONOMY CLASS -- at what height is someone too tall for this?

to sit reasonably comfortably without being in severe pain f...
Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/08/25
Anyone over 6’2” should be buying economy plus o...
racy factory reset button
  06/08/25
What about domestic flights? I think it has to be first or ...
Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/08/25
we should actually be buying first class tickets for anyone ...
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6’5 and just cop the aisle set and spread out I&rs...
big cowardly heaven roast beef
  06/08/25
Damn you're tall. Does the person sitting next to you get m...
Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/08/25
Usually spread mostly into the aisle. Everybody has been chi...
big cowardly heaven roast beef
  06/08/25
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Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/10/25
(Asshole constantly tripping people walking down the aisle)
racy factory reset button
  06/08/25
Domestic first is well, well worth the money even at 6'2&quo...
wild trailer park mad cow disease
  06/08/25
Would you do this for a 2 hour flight? Feels like the value...
Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/08/25
I do a ton of 1.5-to-2.5-hour flights and you can regularly ...
wild trailer park mad cow disease
  06/08/25
favorite domestic airline?
Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/08/25
I have not committed to using a single airline, although I'm...
wild trailer park mad cow disease
  06/08/25
I regularly fly first for 1 to 2 hour flights the cost is ab...
scarlet ungodly piazza
  06/08/25
if you're 6'3+, the airline actually pays you to ride econom...
Vivacious Public Bath
  06/08/25
I'm 6'3". Economy is fine for a two hour flight. For ...
Comical locus
  06/08/25
like comfort plus on delta? or do you prefer the exit row? ...
Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/08/25
I am less than 6'0, so I have to pay to cling onto a wing.
Vivacious Public Bath
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excitant theatre
  06/08/25
Business is pointless unless your on a wide body jet where b...
Grizzly Chapel
  06/08/25
LOL if you have to ask you're a shortmo
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  06/08/25
lol I'm 5'8"
Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/08/25
Absolutely devastating
scarlet ungodly piazza
  06/08/25
Given how rare 6'3"+ heights are, it is truly remarkabl...
Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/08/25
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diverse disturbing pervert
  06/11/25
I buy mostly the extra legroom because I can’t fucking...
Grizzly Chapel
  06/08/25
That’s great that you treat yourself on more expensive...
Stimulating house jew
  06/08/25
It’s true. But taking my whole family on an airplane e...
Grizzly Chapel
  06/08/25
if you didn’t do your last solo trip to cali you could...
Stimulating house jew
  06/08/25
...
scarlet ungodly piazza
  06/08/25
It's because he has no compunction spilling his rolls into h...
lake therapy
  06/08/25
which airline has the nicest seatbelt extender?
Lemon At-the-ready Center
  06/08/25
I have never used a seat belt extender and never will. You&r...
Grizzly Chapel
  06/08/25
No need to lie on XO we are a supportive community.
Lemon At-the-ready Center
  06/08/25
It’s lame how airlines don’t let fatmos or anyon...
Stimulating house jew
  06/08/25
...
excitant theatre
  06/08/25
how fucking short are you that you have to do mental gymnast...
Stimulating house jew
  06/08/25
thank you for the deranged asian perspective!
Bat-shit-crazy Bateful Feces Meetinghouse
  06/08/25
I’m 6’3 and white. Domestic coach is fine. Prefe...
Stimulating house jew
  06/08/25
I always choose aisle over window due to wide shoulders. The...
scarlet ungodly piazza
  06/08/25
aisle means someone bumps into you every time they walk by t...
Stimulating house jew
  06/08/25
How fat is the person?
Stirring Personal Credit Line Halford
  06/08/25
thin
Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/08/25
A thin 6'1" fits in economy.
Stirring Personal Credit Line Halford
  06/11/25
Are the people above all saying they would never fly anythin...
Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/11/25
Being fat, even a little, makes economy much less bearable.
Stirring Personal Credit Line Halford
  06/12/25
Regardless of your own size, you can still end up next to so...
wild trailer park mad cow disease
  06/12/25
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Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/22/25
Anything under 3 hours domestic the Exit Row is fine if a co...
Lemon At-the-ready Center
  06/08/25
Do you ever fly delta domestic? If so, do you prefer exit r...
Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/08/25
I am an AAmo, if I fly DL or UA I pay for first since I don'...
Lemon At-the-ready Center
  06/08/25
How to choose an airline to be loyal to for status? I hate ...
Sticky aromatic new version home
  06/08/25
Combo of factors AA flies almost everywhere I want to go dir...
Lemon At-the-ready Center
  06/08/25
What factor would you event consider other than whatever has...
scarlet ungodly piazza
  06/08/25
I’m 6’7
Gaped dull school jap
  06/08/25
NOUGAT CLASS
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  06/11/25
I always fly first - if I die in a crash I'm going to go out...
Motley Parlor
  06/11/25
“Hey everyone. Here’s my Take as a Tall guy on t...
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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:48 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home

to sit reasonably comfortably without being in severe pain for at least a day afterwards. I saw a guy who looked about 6'2" sitting in regular coach the other day, and he had to spread his legs open just to sit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997247)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:49 PM
Author: racy factory reset button

Anyone over 6’2” should be buying economy plus or business

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997250)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:52 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home

What about domestic flights? I think it has to be first or possibly the exit row in coach, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997255)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:23 PM
Author: excitant theatre

we should actually be buying first class tickets for anyone who is TALL. they shouldn’t be paying for anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997342)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:05 PM
Author: Painfully honest sapphire puppy keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997456)



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Date: June 9th, 2025 1:39 AM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48998496)



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Date: June 9th, 2025 2:13 PM
Author: Lemon At-the-ready Center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48999936)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:01 AM
Author: Vigorous casino gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#49007627)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:51 PM
Author: big cowardly heaven roast beef

6’5 and just cop the aisle set and spread out

I’ve been bumped to 1st and business class. Just not worth it for me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997252)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:54 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home

Damn you're tall. Does the person sitting next to you get mad when you spread all into their area?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997261)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:10 PM
Author: big cowardly heaven roast beef

Usually spread mostly into the aisle. Everybody has been chill about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997307)



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Date: June 10th, 2025 5:37 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#49003104)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 11:18 PM
Author: racy factory reset button

(Asshole constantly tripping people walking down the aisle)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48998325)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:52 PM
Author: wild trailer park mad cow disease

Domestic first is well, well worth the money even at 6'2".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997256)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:55 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home

Would you do this for a 2 hour flight? Feels like the value proposition of domestic first has declined now that they no longer offer food.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997266)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:59 PM
Author: wild trailer park mad cow disease

I do a ton of 1.5-to-2.5-hour flights and you can regularly cop first for like an additional hundred bucks on top of economy.

IMO you'd be fucking certifiably insane to not pay this. You never know when you're going to be stuck on the tarmac for an extra hour or what have you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997277)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:00 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home

favorite domestic airline?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997282)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:07 PM
Author: wild trailer park mad cow disease

I have not committed to using a single airline, although I'm told by people on here that I probably should.

I suppose lately UA has been pretty good to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997302)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:02 PM
Author: scarlet ungodly piazza

I regularly fly first for 1 to 2 hour flights the cost is about the same as economy plus. Might even be cheaper if you have to check a bag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997443)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:05 PM
Author: Vivacious Public Bath

if you're 6'3+, the airline actually pays you to ride economy

if you were 6'3, you would know this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997291)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:05 PM
Author: Comical locus

I'm 6'3". Economy is fine for a two hour flight. For a 5-6 hour flight I'll get economy plus. For an 8+ hour or overnight flight I'll want business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997292)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:07 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home

like comfort plus on delta? or do you prefer the exit row?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997299)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:11 PM
Author: Vivacious Public Bath

I am less than 6'0, so I have to pay to cling onto a wing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997310)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:27 PM
Author: excitant theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997351)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:32 PM
Author: Grizzly Chapel

Business is pointless unless your on a wide body jet where business means lay flat seats so you can actually sleep.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997364)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:18 PM
Author: Bonkers Pale Background Story Church Building

LOL if you have to ask you're a shortmo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997327)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:20 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home

lol I'm 5'8"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997333)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:25 PM
Author: scarlet ungodly piazza

Absolutely devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997512)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:41 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home

Given how rare 6'3"+ heights are, it is truly remarkable how many such folks we have on this site.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997551)



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Date: June 11th, 2025 4:15 PM
Author: diverse disturbing pervert



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#49006179)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:30 PM
Author: Grizzly Chapel

I buy mostly the extra legroom because I can’t fucking move if I don’t. I am already so crammed into those economy seats that it’s unbearable. We flew back from Hawaii (8 hour flight) and I was in economy with my kids and it was rough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997362)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:49 PM
Author: Stimulating house jew

That’s great that you treat yourself on more expensive tickets when you ditch your family to go on pointless vacations by yourself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997409)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: Grizzly Chapel

It’s true. But taking my whole family on an airplane endeavor is very expensive. I can’t afford it really.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997429)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:06 PM
Author: Stimulating house jew

if you didn’t do your last solo trip to cali you could have bought an extra battery for your lawnmower and wouldn’t have had to whine about it here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997459)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:52 PM
Author: scarlet ungodly piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997568)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:04 PM
Author: lake therapy

It's because he has no compunction spilling his rolls into his family's space

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997452)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:10 PM
Author: Lemon At-the-ready Center

which airline has the nicest seatbelt extender?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997477)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:19 PM
Author: Grizzly Chapel

I have never used a seat belt extender and never will. You’re such a dick, you know that? I love you, but you’re catty as fuck for someone born at home plate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997500)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:20 PM
Author: Lemon At-the-ready Center

No need to lie on XO we are a supportive community.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997502)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:26 PM
Author: Stimulating house jew

It’s lame how airlines don’t let fatmos or anyone else book two seats without having to call them. Sucks if just don’t want to share a row with some weirdo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997514)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:33 PM
Author: excitant theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997531)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:47 PM
Author: Stimulating house jew

how fucking short are you that you have to do mental gymnastics on what it’s like to be kind of sort of Tall?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997403)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:57 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Bateful Feces Meetinghouse

thank you for the deranged asian perspective!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997435)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:07 PM
Author: Stimulating house jew

I’m 6’3 and white. Domestic coach is fine. Preferring aisle over window is a narrow shoulders tell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997463)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: scarlet ungodly piazza

I always choose aisle over window due to wide shoulders. The fuselage encroaches in an aisle seat, insanely so on regional jets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997573)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:58 PM
Author: Stimulating house jew

aisle means someone bumps into you every time they walk by to use the shitter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997583)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:59 PM
Author: Stirring Personal Credit Line Halford

How fat is the person?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997438)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 8:25 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home

thin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997920)



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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:21 AM
Author: Stirring Personal Credit Line Halford

A thin 6'1" fits in economy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#49004159)



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Date: June 11th, 2025 4:14 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home

Are the people above all saying they would never fly anything but first all fat but not actually tall? Seems very likely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#49006175)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 4:55 AM
Author: Stirring Personal Credit Line Halford

Being fat, even a little, makes economy much less bearable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#49007625)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:25 AM
Author: wild trailer park mad cow disease

Regardless of your own size, you can still end up next to some enormously fat chick with a neck pillow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#49007691)



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Date: June 22nd, 2025 12:06 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#49039907)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:08 PM
Author: Lemon At-the-ready Center

Anything under 3 hours domestic the Exit Row is fine if a complimentary upgrade doesn't clear but as others noted in most cases domestic F is barely more than econ and it's not worth sweating the upgrade, or even if you buy coach they'll try to sell you a cheap upgrade after the fact. I think i've flown in a coach exit row maybe 3 times in the last 2 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997467)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:23 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home

Do you ever fly delta domestic? If so, do you prefer exit row or comfort plus?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997506)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:24 PM
Author: Lemon At-the-ready Center

I am an AAmo, if I fly DL or UA I pay for first since I don't have status (might have UA Silver, but no useful status).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997508)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:26 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home

How to choose an airline to be loyal to for status? I hate that AA has no screens on domestic flight, but delta honestly seems ghetto as hell now in domestic. Also, people say American is less reliable than delta but I'm not buying it. AA seems a lot better from NYC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997515)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:32 PM
Author: Lemon At-the-ready Center

Combo of factors AA flies almost everywhere I want to go direct from NYC. They also have a lot of flights out of LGA which I hugely prefer over JFK and slightly prefer over EWR. They still have the best award chart in the game with useful partners (JAL F JFK-TYO for 80k miles for example), LMAO at other airline charts. They have good partners but not the best (Star Alliance prob best). Most importantly you can earn 1LP/$1 spend on AA branded cards so you can technically keep top tier status simply by using your ccard without even flying. This allows me to shift more flying to most convenient route/time even if it's not a OneWorld partner, while still retaining status and finally the SWU is extremely useful. Other airlines will either require you buy a higher fare bucket or have extremely limited avail, with the SWU and the frequency of flights between NYC and London, I can on almost any day buy a basic econ ticket to London for like $300, apply a SWU and travel in business. I just booked an AA fare MUC-LHR-JFK for $316 and applied the "free" SWU to turn both legs into biz flights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997528)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:57 PM
Author: scarlet ungodly piazza

What factor would you event consider other than whatever has the most flights/a hub closest to you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997578)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:12 PM
Author: Gaped dull school jap

I’m 6’7

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997480)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Lemon At-the-ready Center

NOUGAT CLASS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48997484)



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Date: June 9th, 2025 4:58 AM
Author: Gaped dull school jap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48998725)



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Date: June 9th, 2025 1:07 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#48999631)



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Date: June 10th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#49003815)



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Date: June 11th, 2025 6:55 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#49006552)



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Date: June 11th, 2025 7:29 PM
Author: Motley Parlor

I always fly first - if I die in a crash I'm going to go out comfortably.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2)#49006652)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 7:25 AM
Author: crusty bronze step-uncle's house selfie

“Hey everyone. Here’s my Take as a Tall guy on this subject —“

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Date: June 22nd, 2025 12:08 PM
Author: crusty bronze step-uncle's house selfie



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Date: July 4th, 2025 4:11 PM
Author: Sticky aromatic new version home



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