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irl lol at the final paragraph retvrn to the Liberal Arts...
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It should have always just been that. Coding is technically ...
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I agree it’s the same and should be computational math...
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  06/03/25
Make them learn statistics. Oh wait we just deported all our...
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  06/03/25
Statistics should be nuked off the face of the planet. Noth...
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  06/03/25
I'm not talking about descriptive statistics. What you're ta...
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Even worse. If you are going to do inferential stats might ...
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By Leif Weatherby Dr. Weatherby is the director of the Digi...
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Mine is much better tbqh
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because he's a chink
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My God. The Math and Statistics.
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:28 AM
Author: fuchsia bearded forum pocket flask

https://archive.ph/l8kwm

A.I. Killed the Math Brain

June 2, 2025

ChatGPT was released two and a half years ago, and we have been in a public panic ever since. Artificial intelligence can write in a way that passes for human, creating a fear that relying too heavily on machine-generated text will diminish our ability to read and write at a high level. We’ve heard that the college essay is dead, and that alarming number of students use A.I. tools to cheat their way through college. This has the potential to undermine the future of jobs, education and art all at once.

The Titanic is indeed headed toward the iceberg, but the largest problem — at least at the moment — is not the college essay, the novel or the office memo. It’s computer code. I realized this last year when I was teaching a course on A.I., language and philosophy. When I asked my students how they use chatbots, one told me that whenever he has a spreadsheet full of data (such as results from a lab experiment or information collected from a survey), he was trained in high school to write a quick bit of code to parse and analyze that data. But now, he told me, he just throws the spreadsheet into ChatGPT, which analyzes it more quickly and requires him to do almost nothing.

That’s when it hit me: A.I. is just as much a challenge to numeracy — our knowledge and ability to use mathematics and reason quantitatively — as it is to literacy.

In February, the A.I. engineer Andrej Karpathy reported on X that he was engaged in a new form of software development he called “vibecoding.” Using nothing more than a series of spoken prompts to a chatbot, he was conducting ad hoc experiments on data and said he would “barely even touch the keyboard.” He said this allowed him to “forget that the code even exists,” leaving the grunt work to the A.I. and simply directing from above. Mr. Karpathy’s post went viral, and many others acknowledged they were doing the same.

By some accounts, though, vibecoding isn’t going well. The code that Mr. Karpathy’s prompts create has been reported to be inefficient and riddled with irreversible errors. Worse, programmers using the method say they’ve found themselves not merely forgetting that code exists but forgetting how to code. As is the case with reading and writing a language, code is one of those things where if you don’t use it, you lose it. Early studies indicate that humans who use A.I. could become less creative over time.

Something not unlike vibecoding has already entered the marketplace. Google claimed in 2024 that A.I. wrote over 25 percent of all of the company’s code, and Microsoft recently reported similar numbers as it fired thousands of employees, including many software engineers. Amazon has also adopted streamlined A.I. coding practices, which workers say changes software engineering fundamentally, making a job defined by intellectual effort into something more like industrial drudgery. A.I. companies themselves see the writing on the wall: OpenAI, for example, is in talks to spend a cool $3 billion to acquire Windsurf, a company that offers an A.I.-driven coding assistant.

Computer science has consistently been one of the top majors in the United States for the last decade. But with the ability to task A.I. to code, startups and tech giants alike are hiring fewer and fewer entry-level computer scientists. Reports suggest that at major A.I. companies, the hiring rate for software engineering jobs have fallen over the course of 2024 from a high of about 3,000 per month to near zero. If enrollments in computer science degrees dry up as jobs disappear, the whole pipeline from education to employment could crash.

It’s not so surprising that chatbots might threaten technical jobs before writing ones. They are very good at predicting the answers to a lot of standard questions on exams and problem sets. And a lot of quantitative work is done using that very simple kind of code. My student with his spreadsheet is similar to thousands of workers who don’t really need to do math or write any complex computer code but instead just need to re-format, move and extract simple answers from data sets at their companies. A.I. is a potentially huge threat to this very widespread type of job, and to the basic quantitative skills that go into it.

The worry is that we, as a society, will become innumerate, not just illiterate. A.I. appears to be exacerbating an alarming trend in which our basic education is failing our young citizens. And that crisis is aimed at the most basic elements of that education: reading, writing and arithmetic.

My advice to young students today is to study language and mathematics. When you talk to a chatbot, you’re using everyday language to talk to a mathematical system that, in turn, talks back to you. Technical skills won’t be enough to deal with the unpredictable results in markets, so a broad-based knowledge of math and language will be the only way to adapt. And while jobs might disappear in one sector, we will always need humans who can make sense of A.I.

The head of Anthropic, which runs the ChatGPT competitor Claude, recently admitted that we have “no idea” how A.I. works. He didn’t mean that engineers don’t know how to code up a large language model. He meant that we don’t yet understand how these systems interact with meaning. Why is a chatbot able to use language? What does that ability imply about the mathematical processes that underlie it? Deep questions like these require humans to answer them. To understand our own culture in the age of A.I., we will need high-level math classes and deep study of literature and linguistics. It might be that the crucial insight a student needs will come from a course on “Don Quixote” — as quixotic as that may sound.

In other words, I think we have to return to the liberal arts to make our way forward in the age of A.I. For students today, studying math and language might turn out to be the only way to be flexible enough to face a rapidly changing market in which a computer science degree is no longer a guarantee of a job. But it’s also a way to deepen our humanity in the face of these strange machines we have built, and to understand them. And that is something that A.I. will never do.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732762&forum_id=2)#48982448)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:37 AM
Author: Motley indigo milk

irl lol at the final paragraph

retvrn to the Liberal Arts tp

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:41 AM
Author: fuchsia bearded forum pocket flask

my jaw dropped when I read that lol

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 1:07 AM
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:15 AM
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:17 AM
Author: Ungodly Menage

My God! He's ascended past vibe coding and is doing what can only be called Riding the Scholarship!

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:19 AM
Author: Exhilarant cordovan affirmative action



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:28 AM
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:55 AM
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 8:22 AM
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:33 AM
Author: Motley indigo milk



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:08 PM
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 2:31 PM
Author: Bateful Bisexual Sanctuary



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 6:23 PM
Author: Brindle circlehead philosopher-king



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 6:51 PM
Author: lemon alpha church building

They're not wrong

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 8:24 AM
Author: Plum vigorous boltzmann toaster

compsci used to be a relatively difficult degree at many schools with a high washout rate. now? LOL, it must be awful.

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 8:26 AM
Author: federal orchestra pit useless brakes



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 8:35 AM
Author: excitant ruby mother

It should have always just been that. Coding is technically just symbolic math.

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 6:35 PM
Author: Pea-brained Lascivious Garrison

Fuck it then. Get rid of the coding shit, make them major in metamathematics and code in LEAN and Agda. At that point if they can’t vibe code in python they are cooked. That will let them hop in the liberal arts train and weed out the dumb coders and prepare them for the theoretical physics and category theory background they will ultimately need to figure out how to control the demons the summoned from god knows where

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 6:39 PM
Author: federal orchestra pit useless brakes



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: Pea-brained Lascivious Garrison

I agree it’s the same and should be computational mathematics. Only difference is math and logic describe symbolic truth conditions. While computer science implements executional behaviors, the realized dynamics of symbolic systems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732762&forum_id=2)#48984637)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: lemon alpha church building

Make them learn statistics. Oh wait we just deported all our Chinese TAs...

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Pea-brained Lascivious Garrison

Statistics should be nuked off the face of the planet. Nothing wrong with it inherently other than the fact it’s weighted and contextual and humans just use it to p score hack their way to confirm their beliefs. Almost no “experiments” in the social sciences can be replicated and when they can the effect is always far weaker than the original.

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:07 PM
Author: lemon alpha church building

I'm not talking about descriptive statistics. What you're talking about is emblematic of the problem: "statistics" in the USA means descriptive stats + linear regression, with no attention to theory.

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:14 PM
Author: Pea-brained Lascivious Garrison

Even worse. If you are going to do inferential stats might as well bust out the category theory, topology, nondynamical systems etc. structural modeling is basically sims 4 for data. fr

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 8:25 AM
Author: Avocado rehab

By Leif Weatherby

Dr. Weatherby is the director of the Digital Theory Lab at New York University

https://as.nyu.edu/faculty/leif-allison-reid-weatherby.html

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 8:27 AM
Author: Dead Emerald Field Weed Whacker

Lmao

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:01 AM
Author: heady half-breed point

ChatGPT, make a photorealistic picture of the soyface cartoon guy

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 6:55 PM
Author: lemon alpha church building

His actual full time jerb is Associate Professor of German. There aren't a whole lot of those to begin with. Let's compare your bio to his.

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Date: June 4th, 2025 11:57 AM
Author: Avocado rehab

Mine is much better tbqh

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 8:44 AM
Author: Dead Emerald Field Weed Whacker

It might be that the crucial insight a student needs will come from a course on “Don Quixote” — as quixotic as that may sound.

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:01 AM
Author: heady half-breed point

Galloped here

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 6:59 PM
Author: Disrespectful arrogant theater stage



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:34 AM
Author: Motley indigo milk



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 12:36 PM
Author: Filthy voyeur



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 6:33 PM
Author: Dead Emerald Field Weed Whacker

*soyface*

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Date: June 4th, 2025 11:57 AM
Author: Avocado rehab



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 6:37 PM
Author: Pea-brained Lascivious Garrison



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 4:04 PM
Author: Puce Dashing Bawdyhouse



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: lemon alpha church building

What's actually happening is China is leapfrogging us on every level. We're not going to beat them at math or statistics, and the Nvidia embargo only buys us a few months until Huawei puts out chips that meet or exceed their capabilities. Anyone thinking on 10-20 year time horizons knows that's what's happening.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732762&forum_id=2)#48984692)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:07 PM
Author: Pea-brained Lascivious Garrison

Flame. China literally had to steal the tech for deep seek from open AI and there has never been a noteworthy non European or American mathematician in history. Crown Jewel of Asian mathematicians is Terrence Tao who is from Australia. America has mathematicians so far above him it’s a joke.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732762&forum_id=2)#48984701)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:12 PM
Author: lemon alpha church building

Bitch I've been thrashing Deepseek-r1 for the last week and it rapes. If that's theft, I'm all for it. You can run the full 671b model on 256gb, and don't even pretend you know how that's possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732762&forum_id=2)#48984716)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:18 PM
Author: Pea-brained Lascivious Garrison

ok. but that doesn’t explain why u love china so much. not saying u can’t play with their toys. just that they might not be as big and unique as the feels are telling you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732762&forum_id=2)#48984733)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:21 PM
Author: silver swashbuckling candlestick maker idea he suggested

because he's a chink

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:27 PM
Author: lemon alpha church building

https://youtu.be/W8CObaM-gjA?si=EqjzXVWVnO7kc1Sa

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 8:29 PM
Author: 180 masturbator

cope

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:20 PM
Author: Motley indigo milk

My God. The Math and Statistics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5732762&forum_id=2)#48984738)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:07 PM
Author: Filthy voyeur



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 8:54 PM
Author: arousing sound barrier

They have 150 million "people" who literally live in caves I think we'll be ok

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Date: June 4th, 2025 12:10 PM
Author: Frisky Faggotry

We have 150 million illegals

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Date: June 4th, 2025 12:14 PM
Author: boyish trust fund

here they have indoor plumbing, air conditioning, internet porn and cable tv. makes sense why illegal immigration isn't a big problem in china.

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Date: June 4th, 2025 12:18 PM
Author: Ungodly Menage

Pretty sure that has more to do with the police state actually kicking people out

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