Current job is $400K regional Biglaw in a mid-sized city. Have a solid set up here with wife’s family nearby.

Would cost 2.5X our current house to get a decent house in decent neighborhood in Miami it seems. Probably 3.5X to get something that really matches the same house size we have here.

Anyone want to talk me into or out of taking the job? The job would be quasi legal and get me onto the business side.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49117307)

How much do your in-laws help?

Do you like practicing law?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49117323)

Don’t like doing time entries but don’t have it all that bad. I do work in a niche area that is likely to decline in the short to medium term, so need to pivot a bit to keep it going in law (have laid out some feelers there and it’s doable but not a slam dunk).

In-laws babysit a lot. Not indispensable but would hate to lose them and my wife wouldn’t like it either. Unlikely (but not a certain no) that they’d move with us.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49117335)

Family is the most important thing brother. Moving to Miami will take your kids and wife away from extended family. They won't grow up with them around and instead see them probably a couple times per year.

You and your wife are going to be more stressed in a new city without any help and you starting a new job. This will likely strain your marriage.

IME it's not worth it for a couple extra bucks when you already make a very nice living. I mean 50% raise (maybe more if your current state has an income tax) is a good amount, so maybe im minimizing that a bit.

However, if you hate what you do and need to transition for your career or mental health, then sure consider taking the job especially if you think your marriage can handle it. Your kids are young enough to adjust.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49117357)

It’s possible I could find other jobs but would be pretty difficult to even get half of what this is offering. If I turn this down I need to focus on internally networking within my firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49117456)

Going fully remote and staying where I’m at wouldn’t be an option. The person offering me the job usually goes in 3 days a week and stays home at least a day or two so I expect I’d have the same option.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49117390)

House size is a stupid metric. People live in too large of homes as it is. If you could get a smaller place in a nice walkable neighborhood where your kids could grow up with some freedom of movement, that’d easily offset the big suburban backyard or whatever. But hard to really judge this without knowing your price point and the commute situation.

Is the money basically guaranteed? Or are you putting a bunch at risk in RSUs or other deferred dollars?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49117361)

I still have family visit a lot and would if I moved so it’d be important to have an extra room for them.

The offer was informally made by my former boss who is high up at the company but given my past with him I’m entirely confident he’d deliver on comp.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49117397)

so many jews there and they are more annoying than ny orthos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49117393)

It sounds like op has some niche skill so it’s possibly not that likely he’d get laid off bc even if the company gets slow, they have that need and the alternative is hiring a firm, which will be way more expensive.

All lawyers at firms with no book (excluding year 1-7 associates) are targets. Things get slow and they’re det.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49120325)

What are the upsides of moving? 1/3 of that additional salary is going to taxes. And it sounds like the rest (or more) would go to increased housing and child care costs.

No guarantees that the grass is really greener, that you'd still want this new job in a year, or that they'd still want you.

Being near family and in a place where your kids, your wife, and you have and are further developing roots is 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49117785)

i pray a Category 6 Hurricane with 50ft storm surge nukes it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49117893)

I will also note that leaving biglaw for a really nice in-house job paying that much is NOT common. In fact, in-house jobs paying that aren't common at all.

I'm also an in-housemo in Florida that loves it along with a wife who does the same thing. But I have met people in-house that prefer biglaw. Seems bizarre to me but people have different personalities. Just think about what will make you and your family happy and what will make you guys miserable. No point in choosing misery over happiness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49117977)

I’ve spent most of my career in-house and think I prefer it to Biglaw. The guy offering me the job is my former boss who I split ways with 5 years ago. But, for former in-house gigs were very cushy, I don’t think this would be.

My wife is very against the potential move. She thinks if we stay here even if I get laid off in a few years we’d still have our cheap house here and ample savings but she also orders shitloads of crap from Amazon so who knows.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49118243)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVpFKxKYvbc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49119184)

miami is a wasteland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49119357)

Maybe and big maybe if he was up in Boca or Jupiter area but Miami is sps

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49119451)

But all of these places are very urban. OP and family may absolutely hate that and the general vibe of all of these places in which case it would be a bad move. So far this doesn't seem like a great idea. I still say take the family and explore the city a bit before saying no. But I'm also very biased towards Florida (have lived here for years at this point and really like it). If I had an amazing offer in say, California or NYC, I wouldn't even consider it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49119466)

Mind not made up yet and check in with the offerer isn’t for a few weeks so plenty of time to change my mind 5 more times but probably leaning against taking it at the moment.

You’re right they spending a weekend exploring with my wife would be a great idea before turning it down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49119482)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinecrest,_Florida

White is under 40% and Latino is about 50%. By comparison Coconut Grove is about 60% white and 35% Latino. Surfside is similar to Coconut Grove. Because it is Miami, every neighborhood will have a lot of Latinos but the question is how do you feel about them being the majority to the extent that people will speak Spanish to you by default? I will note that there are some neighborhoods where it is exclusively Spanish. My favorite dog park in the area is Perrine Wayside Dog Park. It has a cute lake in the middle, a lot of large dogs and are tolerant of pretty much all breeds. XOers would hate it. But that entire area is "hablo no ingles" even if people in the dog park mostly speak english. We used to go and grab a snack at a place nearby and absolutely zero english. Had to order entirely en espanol. In that respect you have to understand that parts of Miami basically aren't the US at all.

Another thing to consider: this is true of all of Florida, but the farther you are from the ocean the hotter it is. The water has a cooling effect and you desperately need that. Even if you personally don't care about the beach that is an important consideration.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49119510)

I am likely not close to knowing enough about this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49119521)

When we were in the process of moving to Florida (my wife's company relocated and she was asked to move, my company let me work remote except for flying in once a month) we did exactly that. Found where we wanted to live, went to visit there, confirmed that we would be happy there, then found a place, bought it, moved. Several years later we are absolutely thrilled.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49119529)

Also, TDNW couldn't afford to live anywhere that wasn't outright ghetto in the Miami area.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49120297)

You'll love it there or SurfSide/Sunny Isles or Aventura

If you want urban bullshit avoid Brickell and check out Wynwood or Midtown/Fashion district area

Again Miami is 100% SPS so caveat emptor

i wouldnt move back there unless it was to stay on Venetian away from everyone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49119662)

But you are also losing the ability to walk to restaurants and walking your dog means either doing the exact same walk or getting in your car and driving somewhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2)#49122074)