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Is gerrymandering constitutional?

I mean obviously it must be, if it's always been done and ha...
fragrant magical national trust fund
  11/08/12
the courts by not stopping it? as long as they don't have...
Stimulating voyeur dilemma
  11/08/12
So it's just something that's not discussed at all in the Co...
fragrant magical national trust fund
  11/08/12
no it is discussed, but it's very hard to stop based on the ...
Stimulating voyeur dilemma
  11/08/12
so if VRA justifies it, why has it been working against shit...
fragrant magical national trust fund
  11/08/12
B/c the VRA requires districts of at least 50% minority popu...
Vibrant fiercely-loyal marketing idea boiling water
  11/08/12
Liberals got rid of at-large districts and determining the m...
Vibrant fiercely-loyal marketing idea boiling water
  11/08/12
Actually Article I Section 4 Clause 1 allows Congress to red...
odious obsidian ratface skinny woman
  11/08/12
Sure but that doesn't change the fact that gerrymandering is...
Vibrant fiercely-loyal marketing idea boiling water
  11/08/12
Elaborate on this please (im a non-lawschool bro)
fragrant magical national trust fund
  11/08/12
"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for ...
Vibrant fiercely-loyal marketing idea boiling water
  11/08/12
wtf, did they really misspell "choosing"? that's p...
fragrant magical national trust fund
  11/08/12
"Liberals got rid of at-large districts" - what do...
fragrant magical national trust fund
  11/08/12
Jurisdiction-covering districts (so for Congress, statewide)...
Cyan house
  08/27/25
As is typical with con law and its bullshit, it is not revie...
Contagious Bat Shit Crazy Legal Warrant
  11/08/12
Districts don't draw themselves bro
saffron comical parlor preventive strike
  11/08/12
Congress needs to basically pass a law mandating that distri...
odious obsidian ratface skinny woman
  11/08/12
Generated by Karl Rove's computer, yes
saffron comical parlor preventive strike
  11/08/12
cr. Congress was elected by these gerrymandered districts...
Stimulating voyeur dilemma
  11/08/12
Congressional term limits are of questionable constitutional...
odious obsidian ratface skinny woman
  11/08/12
District borders should be geographically drawn and not used...
Salmon Histrionic Public Bath
  11/08/12
agreed, although "geographically drawn" seems to b...
fragrant magical national trust fund
  11/08/12
this could be easily achieved with a computer algorithm that...
odious obsidian ratface skinny woman
  11/08/12
hm. somehow i doubt congress would pass something which woul...
fragrant magical national trust fund
  11/08/12
This seem to be the cr way to do it: http://www.timesunio...
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  11/08/12
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fragrant magical national trust fund
  11/08/12
cumskins love it. its their only way to "counter" ...
marvelous fluffy chad
  04/24/25
"bad things that happen in the anglosphere DONT COUNT!&...
marvelous fluffy chad
  04/24/25
another fucktarded cumskin caught gerrymandering, after gett...
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  05/07/25
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marvelous fluffy chad
  05/07/25
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vivacious lay nibblets
  09/09/25
he uses this same trick all the time. he is constantly tryin...
marvelous fluffy chad
  05/09/25
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vivacious lay nibblets
  09/09/25
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  09/09/25
I live in an American suburb. I go days without seeing b...
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  05/19/25
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  07/29/25
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  09/09/25
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  10/13/25
lol cumskins now pretending they dont gerrymander: Date: ...
marvelous fluffy chad
  09/09/25
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vivacious lay nibblets
  09/09/25
leave gerry ALONE
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  04/24/25
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  05/19/25
lol I forgot libs started this anti-gerrymandering campaign ...
passionate submissive round eye
  07/29/25
you mean fucktarded cumskins who gerrymander their way out o...
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  07/29/25
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  09/09/25
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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:38 PM
Author: fragrant magical national trust fund

I mean obviously it must be, if it's always been done and hasn't been challenged, but what specifically grants states the right to do it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002135)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:39 PM
Author: Stimulating voyeur dilemma

the courts by not stopping it?

as long as they don't have some racially driven motivation it's usually upheld.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002142)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:41 PM
Author: fragrant magical national trust fund

So it's just something that's not discussed at all in the Constitution either way, and since it's not, then it must be allowed, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002162)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:45 PM
Author: Stimulating voyeur dilemma

no it is discussed, but it's very hard to stop based on the constitution or the Voting Rights Act. In fact, the VRA almost justifies gerrymandering because it's hard to tamper with majority minority districts. So a lot of Southern States have the justification to keep districts that are 90% black rather than a couple districts that are 45% black.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002186)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:47 PM
Author: fragrant magical national trust fund

so if VRA justifies it, why has it been working against shitlibs recently?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002210)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:52 PM
Author: Vibrant fiercely-loyal marketing idea boiling water

B/c the VRA requires districts of at least 50% minority population (some courts will say more). If you have 50% blacks in a district, you can be sure there will be a bunch of Hispanics and poor whites too, who similarly vote Democratic, and you end up with 80-90% Dem districts mandated by law.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002245)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:41 PM
Author: Vibrant fiercely-loyal marketing idea boiling water

Liberals got rid of at-large districts and determining the manner of representative elections is given to the state legislatures in art I.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002153)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:45 PM
Author: odious obsidian ratface skinny woman

Actually Article I Section 4 Clause 1 allows Congress to redistrict if it so pleases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002194)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:47 PM
Author: Vibrant fiercely-loyal marketing idea boiling water

Sure but that doesn't change the fact that gerrymandering isn't unconstitutional.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002205)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:49 PM
Author: fragrant magical national trust fund

Elaborate on this please (im a non-lawschool bro)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002221)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:54 PM
Author: Vibrant fiercely-loyal marketing idea boiling water

"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing [sic] Senators."

Theoretically Congress could pass a law outlawing gerrymandering by some definition, but the default is that the states are allowed to do what they want.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002269)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:58 PM
Author: fragrant magical national trust fund

wtf, did they really misspell "choosing"? that's pretty lulzy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002302)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 6:00 PM
Author: fragrant magical national trust fund

"Liberals got rid of at-large districts" - what does this mean? What are at-large districts?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002313)



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Date: August 27th, 2025 1:04 AM
Author: Cyan house

Jurisdiction-covering districts (so for Congress, statewide), and the term is particularly used where (1) their are also subset districts and/or (2) the at-large district is multimember.

Congress eliminated these for itself (i.e., for federal House seats) ages ago -- like pre-Civil War -- requiring contiguous single-member districts that collectively cover the entire state; scotus required those districts (and all districts, not just congressional, where the body to which the candidates are being elected acts on a collective voting basis (basically: legislative districts, but not judicial or executive ones)) to be equipopulous, although, fun fact, the standard for equal population is actually *way* more demanding for federal House districts than it is for any other district.

Most of the modern action on at-large districts has been in the context of city/county council seats, where they were once popular, but the VRA has made having them very difficult.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49215659)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:43 PM
Author: Contagious Bat Shit Crazy Legal Warrant

As is typical with con law and its bullshit, it is not reviewable unless it is too bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002175)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:39 PM
Author: saffron comical parlor preventive strike

Districts don't draw themselves bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002138)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:40 PM
Author: odious obsidian ratface skinny woman

Congress needs to basically pass a law mandating that districts be computer-generated ... but LOL @ Congress passing such a law



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002150)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:41 PM
Author: saffron comical parlor preventive strike

Generated by Karl Rove's computer, yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002156)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:45 PM
Author: Stimulating voyeur dilemma

cr.

Congress was elected by these gerrymandered districts, they have no incentive to stop this. just like they will never support term limits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002192)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:46 PM
Author: odious obsidian ratface skinny woman

Congressional term limits are of questionable constitutionality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002197)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:48 PM
Author: Salmon Histrionic Public Bath

District borders should be geographically drawn and not used wildly as random political tools

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002218)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:50 PM
Author: fragrant magical national trust fund

agreed, although "geographically drawn" seems to be very subjective as well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002231)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:52 PM
Author: odious obsidian ratface skinny woman

this could be easily achieved with a computer algorithm that tries to minimize a measure called 'distortion.' This is a mathematically well-studied problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002247)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 7:53 PM
Author: fragrant magical national trust fund

hm. somehow i doubt congress would pass something which would require doing something via a computer algorithm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002982)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 5:56 PM
Author: fragrant magical national trust fund

This seem to be the cr way to do it:

http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Gerrymandering-Not-in-Iowa-1336319.php

Why cant more states do it like Iowa?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22002286)



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Date: November 8th, 2012 8:30 PM
Author: fragrant magical national trust fund



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#22003267)



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Date: April 24th, 2025 5:59 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad

cumskins love it. its their only way to "counter" NYUUG blowing their assholes out daily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#48877945)



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Date: April 24th, 2025 6:05 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad

"bad things that happen in the anglosphere DONT COUNT!" i live in a NIGGER-FREE NEIGHBORHOOD!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#48877953)



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Date: May 7th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad

another fucktarded cumskin caught gerrymandering, after getting assraped by NYUUG LOLLERCAUST:

Date: May 7th, 2025 8:40 PM

Author: ,,,..,,.......,,....

SUPERIOR GOOK INTERRIGENCE

https://x.com/ArtemisConsort/status/1918023616714912237

Korean families spend more than 10% of their incomes educating each child, and still get outperformed on the PISA exam by American Asians and Whites. Remarkable.

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2479633&forum_id=2#48912251

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#48912268)



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Date: May 7th, 2025 9:00 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad

Date: January 21st, 2024 9:18 PM

Author: 202-225-3965

do you understand XO consists of more than one person? holy fuck you're dumb

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5479324&forum_id=2#47315375

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#48912306)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249046)



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Date: May 9th, 2025 12:12 AM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad

he uses this same trick all the time. he is constantly trying to point out "contradictions" in peoples opinions then he will suddenly start saying "xo says this" "cumskins say that" while cherry picking opinions from a pool of the entirety of xo poasters. its lulzy. like sorry nyuug, are you forgetting that this entire board hates you and there are 1000 diff opinions floating around from the past 15 years and varying things people say about you? obviously it isn't all going to be consistent.

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5452555&forum_id=2#47115417

,lisped the special cumskin snowflake

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#48916044)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249047)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:58 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249044)



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Date: May 19th, 2025 4:13 AM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad

I live in an American suburb. I go days without seeing blacks. Sometimes months.

Date: May 19th, 2025 3:57 AM

Author: bho

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724895&forum_id=2#48943260

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#48943264)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249048)



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Date: May 25th, 2025 11:06 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#48961504)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249049)



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Date: July 29th, 2025 8:37 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49141592)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249050)



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Date: July 30th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad

MUH JDVANCE DURR DURR

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5756295&mc=5&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49144337)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249051)



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Date: August 6th, 2025 9:41 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49163428)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249052)



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Date: August 7th, 2025 10:19 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49166309)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249053)



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Date: August 10th, 2025 9:42 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49173181)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249054)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 9:31 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49214924)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249055)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 11:41 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad



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Date: September 9th, 2025 10:00 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249056)



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Date: August 26th, 2025 11:50 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad



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Date: September 9th, 2025 10:00 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249057)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:58 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249043)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 10:08 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49303813)



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Date: October 13th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49347558)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 7:14 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad

lol cumskins now pretending they dont gerrymander:

Date: September 9th, 2025 7:09 PM

Author: Diamond Dallas Trump

gerrymander?

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5771451&forum_id=2#49248569

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49248588)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 9:58 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249042)



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Date: April 24th, 2025 6:00 PM
Author: Brindle Halford Toaster

leave gerry ALONE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#48877946)



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Date: May 19th, 2025 10:07 AM
Author: olive coiffed set toilet seat

*Eldridge Posse*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#48943640)



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Date: July 29th, 2025 8:47 PM
Author: passionate submissive round eye

lol I forgot libs started this anti-gerrymandering campaign as soon as they won in 2012 because they thought they deserved the House too. Almost worked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49141615)



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Date: July 29th, 2025 8:48 PM
Author: marvelous fluffy chad

you mean fucktarded cumskins who gerrymander their way out of every nyuug rapage, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49141619)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 10:00 PM
Author: vivacious lay nibblets

https://imgur.com/a/VNRy4HI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249058)



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Date: September 9th, 2025 10:02 PM
Author: mischievous talented rehab coffee pot

Absolutely

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2108592&forum_id=2)#49249077)