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In our lifetimes we got to see the GOATs of the 4 major sports #blessed

Brady Jordan Gretzky Shohei
Slap-happy frozen rigor
  10/19/25
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Glittery fishy legal warrant
  10/19/25
Babe Ruth?
histrionic deer antler becky
  10/19/25
lol!
Ponchito Bojado
  10/24/25
Barry Bonds is the best baseball player of all time
Allahu Cock-Bar!
  10/24/25
thought this was gonna be abt rupinder
cyan associate menage
  10/19/25
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Spectacular National Trump Supporter
  10/19/25
Peyton Manning was better
Copper roast beef
  10/19/25
Brady agrees https://youtu.be/Dc1qbKIMn0Y?si=YjiQH-on3ZeB...
Vermilion Cocky Lodge Wagecucks
  10/19/25
lolno to nowag but add in xo novax djoker and tiger
Indigo newt nowag
  10/19/25
Which baseball player is better? Sandy Kikefax?
Copper roast beef
  10/19/25
yes. and the ohtani game wasnt even the GOAT dodger playo...
Indigo newt nowag
  10/19/25
Sandy Koufax had a career batting average of .134. While kno...
Copper roast beef
  10/19/25
gimmick ohtani had a pitching WAR of 1.1 this year.
Indigo newt nowag
  10/19/25
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&fo...
Copper roast beef
  10/19/25
Are you dumb? He already is and he is only 50 percent done w...
Arousing site son of senegal
  10/19/25
a healthy 297th on the all-time WAR list: https://www.bas...
Indigo newt nowag
  10/19/25
This is a made up jewish stat for nebbish kikes to bicker ov...
Copper roast beef
  10/19/25
Did you notice the part where I said he was only 50 percent ...
Arousing site son of senegal
  10/19/25
You said he’s already the GOAT. Double his WAR and he&...
Indigo newt nowag
  10/19/25
peak matters more than longevity
cracking area boiling water
  10/19/25
they both matter. longevity often matters more for HOF votin...
Indigo newt nowag
  10/19/25
you're right - i was being too flippant. what was the resul...
cracking area boiling water
  10/19/25
WAR is not an effective stat for comparing players of differ...
Arousing site son of senegal
  10/19/25
as poasted below, ohtani's WAR doesnt compare great against ...
Indigo newt nowag
  10/19/25
That’s not remotely true. You’re looking at one...
Arousing site son of senegal
  10/19/25
sandy koufax is #339 in career WAR. Shohei played 5 years i...
cracking area boiling water
  10/19/25
Apparently this guy thinks Walter Johnson is the GOAT runner...
Arousing site son of senegal
  10/19/25
It's a made up jewish number and it doesn't matter much beca...
Copper roast beef
  10/19/25
(Guy yelling at Pongo Joe: "get the pitchfork ready, Jo...
ponyboy curtis
  10/19/25
He's the only top 300 player with fewer than 10 seasons. An...
Arousing site son of senegal
  10/19/25
lol @ this arbitrary benchmark of , plus not using age. t...
Indigo newt nowag
  10/19/25
Amazing to see only one active player in the top 50 and so f...
floppy address international law enforcement agency
  10/19/25
WAR measures how good you are relative to others in that sea...
Arousing site son of senegal
  10/19/25
ohtani might be the best all around athlete in history.
misunderstood magical stead knife
  10/19/25
lol @ the oriental and shitskin dicksucking of ohtani on xo
Indigo newt nowag
  10/19/25
lol at dicksucking some kike who batted .000!
Copper roast beef
  10/19/25
lol i'm pretty brutal on gook accomplishments in sports, but...
misunderstood magical stead knife
  10/19/25
Larry Bird was better anyway
Copper roast beef
  10/19/25
yao ming number one since im an oriental dickrider now
misunderstood magical stead knife
  10/19/25
He was Tall, no disputing that, but the stats clearly show B...
Copper roast beef
  10/19/25
YAO MING BEST AT BASKETBALL OHTANI BEST AT BASEBALL HI...
misunderstood magical stead knife
  10/19/25
I stand corrected
Copper roast beef
  10/19/25
half nowag tiger woods actually the GOAT at golf
Indigo newt nowag
  10/19/25
...
Spectacular National Trump Supporter
  10/19/25
Brady*
180 bipolar mood hell
  10/19/25
wow yes I feel so blessed
boyish genital piercing gay wizard
  10/19/25
Shohei had 1 great postseason game. Completely shut down and...
curious trust fund
  10/19/25
...
Indigo newt nowag
  10/19/25
(Phillies fan)
Arousing site son of senegal
  10/19/25
...
Orion Kerkering's Panic Attack
  10/24/25
Plus Tiger, Michael Phelps, Lance Armstrong, Federer/Lance &...
Vibrant University Affirmative Action
  10/19/25
Great job leaving out the GOAT tennis player and naming the ...
Indigo newt nowag
  10/19/25
Cr. Pete Sampras was the GOAT.
Arousing site son of senegal
  10/19/25
The only one of those who is a GOAT is Gretzky and that is d...
Aqua talented community account
  10/19/25
Even if you disagree with his selection of GOATs, are your r...
Arousing site son of senegal
  10/19/25
please debate the "not GOAT" argument on Gretzky? ...
cracking area boiling water
  10/19/25
And name another Hockey player who could carry a saturday mo...
Arousing site son of senegal
  10/19/25
And we got to watch ProStars: https://www.youtube.com/playli...
Arousing site son of senegal
  10/19/25
DBG is such a fag. Can we get revised stances on Palestine p...
Slap-happy frozen rigor
  10/19/25
Brady Jordan Gretzky Bonds*
dun awkward sanctuary internal respiration
  10/19/25
...
Allahu Cock-Bar!
  10/24/25
Not a coincidence that every single one of these guys played...
Vermilion Cocky Lodge Wagecucks
  10/19/25
Ryan Day
Spectacular National Trump Supporter
  10/19/25
what years did fans not see all the GOATs? if Ruth was the G...
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  10/24/25
In the 70s it was like Steve Carlton, Franco Harris, Bill Br...
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  10/24/25


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Date: October 19th, 2025 1:37 AM
Author: Slap-happy frozen rigor

Brady

Jordan

Gretzky

Shohei

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49358994)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 1:56 AM
Author: Glittery fishy legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359002)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:29 AM
Author: histrionic deer antler becky

Babe Ruth?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359577)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 9:33 PM
Author: Ponchito Bojado

lol!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49373037)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 7:16 PM
Author: Allahu Cock-Bar!

Barry Bonds is the best baseball player of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49372643)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 2:07 AM
Author: cyan associate menage

thought this was gonna be abt rupinder

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359022)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:12 AM
Author: Spectacular National Trump Supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359252)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:09 AM
Author: Copper roast beef

Peyton Manning was better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359159)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:30 AM
Author: Vermilion Cocky Lodge Wagecucks

Brady agrees

https://youtu.be/Dc1qbKIMn0Y?si=YjiQH-on3ZeBCryv

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359172)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:14 AM
Author: Indigo newt nowag

lolno to nowag

but add in xo novax djoker and tiger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359161)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:30 AM
Author: Copper roast beef

Which baseball player is better? Sandy Kikefax?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359171)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:39 AM
Author: Indigo newt nowag

yes.

and the ohtani game wasnt even the GOAT dodger playoff game performance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359187)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:44 AM
Author: Copper roast beef

Sandy Koufax had a career batting average of .134. While known for his dominant pitching, he was a weak hitter, with his highest average being .223 in 1965 and a career-low of .000 in 1955. He had 858 plate appearances over his 12-year career.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359197)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:00 AM
Author: Indigo newt nowag

gimmick ohtani had a pitching WAR of 1.1 this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359215)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:04 AM
Author: Copper roast beef

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2#49359201

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359227)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:33 AM
Author: Arousing site son of senegal

Are you dumb? He already is and he is only 50 percent done with his career.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359177)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:40 AM
Author: Indigo newt nowag

a healthy 297th on the all-time WAR list:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_career.shtml

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359191)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:45 AM
Author: Copper roast beef

This is a made up jewish stat for nebbish kikes to bicker over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359201)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:37 AM
Author: Arousing site son of senegal

Did you notice the part where I said he was only 50 percent into his career? Halfway done and a top 300 player.

Are you innumerate? He's on track for top 10 after just 8 seasons and if you go look at the current top 10 you might notice that Barry Bonds and Clemens are the only ones who have done this in the modern era. There's something that connects those two players, but I can't remember what.

If you dropped Ohtani into 1920 he would quit baseball because the competition was laughably uncompetitive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359402)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:40 AM
Author: Indigo newt nowag

You said he’s already the GOAT. Double his WAR and he’s still at number 31.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359415)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:43 AM
Author: cracking area boiling water

peak matters more than longevity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359428)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:09 AM
Author: Indigo newt nowag

they both matter. longevity often matters more for HOF voting. we had this recently with the verlander / kershaw debate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359486)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:46 AM
Author: cracking area boiling water

you're right - i was being too flippant. what was the result of the kershaw verlander debate? they have similar numbers - verlander has played a few more years and also had slightly higher WAR peaks. but they're both HOF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359650)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:43 AM
Author: Arousing site son of senegal

WAR is not an effective stat for comparing players of different eras. It's scaled to 1000, but the talent pool in 1920 and the typical "replacement player" in 1920 is not comparable to 2025. A 1920 replacement level player wouldn't get a college scholarship in 2025.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359429)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:10 AM
Author: Indigo newt nowag

as poasted below, ohtani's WAR doesnt compare great against other stars of this era

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359489)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Arousing site son of senegal

That’s not remotely true. You’re looking at one season. Aaron Judge is the only player with more WAR since Ohtani’s debut and he doesn’t pitch. The relevant comparisons are Ruth, Mays, and Bonds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359915)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:43 AM
Author: cracking area boiling water

sandy koufax is #339 in career WAR. Shohei played 5 years in Japan, and he's not done yet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359427)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:45 AM
Author: Arousing site son of senegal

Apparently this guy thinks Walter Johnson is the GOAT runner up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359433)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:49 AM
Author: Copper roast beef

It's a made up jewish number and it doesn't matter much because it's just baseball, but this same sort of jew bullshit underpins finance, GDP, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359445)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:51 PM
Author: ponyboy curtis (If I May, tp)

(Guy yelling at Pongo Joe: "get the pitchfork ready, Joe.. your hayseed's on his way back to the barn!")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49360914)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:46 AM
Author: Arousing site son of senegal

He's the only top 300 player with fewer than 10 seasons. And you have to go down to 431 to find a guy with just 9 seasons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359434)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:08 AM
Author: Indigo newt nowag

lol @ this arbitrary benchmark of , plus not using age.

trout (33) is at 87.5, mookie betts (32) is at 75.1, judge (33) is at 62.3, machado (32) is at 61.7

compare with ohtani (30) at 51.5



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359482)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:16 AM
Author: floppy address international law enforcement agency

Amazing to see only one active player in the top 50 and so few beyond that. In other sports the new age stats are dominated by newer players, which makes sense since they’re tailoring their game for the new strategy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359514)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:26 AM
Author: Arousing site son of senegal

WAR measures how good you are relative to others in that season. Given the state of player development, you would expect that the replacement level player in 1920 wasn’t anywhere close to a GREAT player. A 2025 replacement level player transported to 1920 would utterly dominate. It doesn’t tell you how good Babe Ruth would be in 2025 (probably terrible).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359552)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:31 AM
Author: misunderstood magical stead knife

ohtani might be the best all around athlete in history.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359173)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: Indigo newt nowag

lol @ the oriental and shitskin dicksucking of ohtani on xo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359192)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:44 AM
Author: Copper roast beef

lol at dicksucking some kike who batted .000!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359198)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: misunderstood magical stead knife

lol i'm pretty brutal on gook accomplishments in sports, but c'mon now. we may never see an MLB two-way player again period. let alone someone who is delivers a 3 HR, scoreless 6 IP, and 10 Ks. the pitching and batting performances on their own is extraordinary.

you've got some gook derangement syndrome if you can't recognize this. i'm not running around acting like jordan and lebron aren't the two goat contenders because they're niggers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359206)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:56 AM
Author: Copper roast beef

Larry Bird was better anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359209)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:57 AM
Author: misunderstood magical stead knife

yao ming number one since im an oriental dickrider now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359212)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:04 AM
Author: Copper roast beef

He was Tall, no disputing that, but the stats clearly show Birdshit Bird as the GOATPOTUS bball player

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359229)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:07 AM
Author: misunderstood magical stead knife

YAO MING BEST AT BASKETBALL

OHTANI BEST AT BASEBALL

HINES WARD BEST AT FOOTBALL

NICK SUZUKI BEST AT HOCKEY

ASIA NUMBA WANG!! BEST AT SPORT AND MATH!! CUMSKINS IRATE! BANGERANG!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359235)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:07 AM
Author: Copper roast beef

I stand corrected

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359238)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:09 AM
Author: Indigo newt nowag

half nowag tiger woods actually the GOAT at golf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359240)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:12 AM
Author: Spectacular National Trump Supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359250)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:46 AM
Author: 180 bipolar mood hell

Brady*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359202)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:10 AM
Author: boyish genital piercing gay wizard

wow yes I feel so blessed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359245)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:11 AM
Author: curious trust fund

Shohei had 1 great postseason game. Completely shut down and rocked by Phillies when he pitched, you stupid shitlennial foreigner

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359248)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:13 AM
Author: Indigo newt nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359253)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 4:15 PM
Author: Arousing site son of senegal

(Phillies fan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49360222)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 11:52 PM
Author: Orion Kerkering's Panic Attack



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49373232)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:35 AM
Author: Vibrant University Affirmative Action

Plus Tiger, Michael Phelps, Lance Armstrong, Federer/Lance "Rafa", Usain Bolt, Simone Biles, not a soccermo but Messi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359394)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:37 AM
Author: Indigo newt nowag

Great job leaving out the GOAT tennis player and naming the 2nd and 3rd best

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359401)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:47 AM
Author: Arousing site son of senegal

Cr. Pete Sampras was the GOAT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359436)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:36 AM
Author: Aqua talented community account

The only one of those who is a GOAT is Gretzky and that is debatable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359398)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:49 AM
Author: Arousing site son of senegal

Even if you disagree with his selection of GOATs, are your replacements pre-1990?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359442)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:51 AM
Author: cracking area boiling water

please debate the "not GOAT" argument on Gretzky? even if you take away every one of his career goals he's still the points leader

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359452)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Arousing site son of senegal

And name another Hockey player who could carry a saturday morning cartoon?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359461)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 10:56 AM
Author: Arousing site son of senegal

And we got to watch ProStars: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLhOnau-tupS-d7LaTTQxgt5zIXfKmTer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359465)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:10 AM
Author: Slap-happy frozen rigor

DBG is such a fag. Can we get revised stances on Palestine please?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359493)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: dun awkward sanctuary internal respiration

Brady

Jordan

Gretzky

Bonds*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49359923)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 9:06 PM
Author: Allahu Cock-Bar!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49373005)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 3:40 PM
Author: Vermilion Cocky Lodge Wagecucks

Not a coincidence that every single one of these guys played in the most libbiest of lib cities

con cities’ only great is Nolan Ryan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49360164)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Spectacular National Trump Supporter

Ryan Day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2)#49360309)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 9:10 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


what years did fans not see all the GOATs? if Ruth was the GOAT for decades then most didn't.

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Date: October 24th, 2025 11:42 PM
Author: hung stud

In the 70s it was like Steve Carlton, Franco Harris, Bill Bradley, and Bobby Orr

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