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Book rec for boys ?

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
electric whorehouse gunner
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Aphrodisiac community account
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
Charcoal headpube garrison
  12/18/25
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Floppy sick pistol kitchen
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
House-broken Rigor Hunting Ground
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
House-broken Rigor Hunting Ground
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Bearded vigorous turdskin abode
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
comical peach heaven
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
House-broken Rigor Hunting Ground
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
razzle yarmulke
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
galvanic territorial address
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
fighting feces
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
electric whorehouse gunner
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
fighting feces
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
electric whorehouse gunner
  12/18/25
180
fighting feces
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
sable really tough guy area
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
sinister theater queen of the night
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
sable really tough guy area
  12/18/25
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sinister theater queen of the night
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
santa's top guy
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
Hairraiser awkward theater stage faggotry
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
electric whorehouse gunner
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
Ruddy parlor ape
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
electric whorehouse gunner
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
maroon nursing home sandwich
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
cyan hominid
  12/18/25
JackTales 🀑😳
exhilarant legend
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
sable really tough guy area
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
mentally impaired den wrinkle
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
Clear fiercely-loyal faggot firefighter
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
tan chad
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
Clear fiercely-loyal faggot firefighter
  12/18/25
lol
tan chad
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
Kenneth Play
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
sinister theater queen of the night
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
Clear fiercely-loyal faggot firefighter
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
Know-it-all pea-brained indian lodge
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
comical peach heaven
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
Know-it-all pea-brained indian lodge
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
comical peach heaven
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
Know-it-all pea-brained indian lodge
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Yummy Phase Pol Pot
  12/21/25
cr
sinister theater queen of the night
  12/18/25
Anabasis
Trip mother
  12/18/25
...
tan chad
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
provocative sex offender
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
tan chad
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Chocolate Codepig
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
Supple bat shit crazy meetinghouse mental disorder
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
rambunctious point party of the first part
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
tan chad
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
electric whorehouse gunner
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
sinister theater queen of the night
  12/18/25
...
Clear fiercely-loyal faggot firefighter
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
Hairraiser awkward theater stage faggotry
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
Clear fiercely-loyal faggot firefighter
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
Curious mood nibblets
  12/18/25
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Hairraiser awkward theater stage faggotry
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
Kenneth Play
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
overrated multi-billionaire
  12/18/25
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Passionate location
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
Green vibrant friendly grandma
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
House-broken Rigor Hunting Ground
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
Trip mother
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
crimson bonkers stain
  12/19/25
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Alluring sisters in law of yesteryear
  12/26/25


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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: electric whorehouse gunner

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac community account

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Charcoal headpube garrison

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Floppy sick pistol kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: House-broken Rigor Hunting Ground

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: House-broken Rigor Hunting Ground

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Bearded vigorous turdskin abode

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: comical peach heaven

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: House-broken Rigor Hunting Ground

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: razzle yarmulke

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: galvanic territorial address

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: fighting feces

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: electric whorehouse gunner

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: fighting feces

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: electric whorehouse gunner

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: fighting feces

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: sable really tough guy area

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: sinister theater queen of the night

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: sable really tough guy area

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: sinister theater queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: santa's top guy

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Hairraiser awkward theater stage faggotry

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: electric whorehouse gunner

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Ruddy parlor ape

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: electric whorehouse gunner

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: maroon nursing home sandwich

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: cyan hominid

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: exhilarant legend

JackTales 🀑😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: sable really tough guy area

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: mentally impaired den wrinkle

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: Clear fiercely-loyal faggot firefighter

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: tan chad

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: Clear fiercely-loyal faggot firefighter

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: tan chad

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth)

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: sinister theater queen of the night

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: Clear fiercely-loyal faggot firefighter

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: Know-it-all pea-brained indian lodge

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: comical peach heaven

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: Know-it-all pea-brained indian lodge

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: comical peach heaven

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Know-it-all pea-brained indian lodge

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Yummy Phase Pol Pot

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: sinister theater queen of the night

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: Trip mother

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: tan chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: provocative sex offender

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: tan chad

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Chocolate Codepig

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: Supple bat shit crazy meetinghouse mental disorder

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: rambunctious point party of the first part

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: tan chad

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: electric whorehouse gunner

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: sinister theater queen of the night

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: Clear fiercely-loyal faggot firefighter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: Hairraiser awkward theater stage faggotry

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: Clear fiercely-loyal faggot firefighter

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Curious mood nibblets

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: Hairraiser awkward theater stage faggotry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth)

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: overrated multi-billionaire

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Passionate location



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Green vibrant friendly grandma

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: House-broken Rigor Hunting Ground

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: Trip mother

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

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