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🚨 Pakistan shoots down Indian passenger airline 🚨

https://www.twitter.com/BabaHakim0/status/193309346744329865...
Slate Galvanic Pisswyrm
  06/12/25
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comical judgmental bawdyhouse
  06/12/25
OP jokes but hints at a larger problem with accidents that h...
opaque beady-eyed roast beef lay
  06/12/25
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comical judgmental bawdyhouse
  06/12/25
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startling provocative degenerate gas station
  06/12/25
If captain allears had been on board it wouldnt have gone do...
clear filthpig
  06/12/25
supposedly it crashed directly into a medical school while s...
Slate Galvanic Pisswyrm
  06/12/25
*white people breathing ANOTHER sigh of relief*
garnet bateful weed whacker sweet tailpipe
  06/12/25
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Titillating voyeur school cafeteria
  06/12/25
wow
startling provocative degenerate gas station
  06/12/25
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stimulating deep mother
  06/12/25
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opaque beady-eyed roast beef lay
  06/12/25
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out-of-control hell hunting ground
  06/12/25
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Bat Shit Crazy Blathering Pistol
  06/12/25
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Multi-colored Milky Chapel Jew
  06/12/25
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Umber heady giraffe state
  06/12/25
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Salmon Insanely Creepy Step-uncle's House Fortuitous Meteor
  06/12/25
Jewish guy at the very back of the plane survived for a whil...
opaque beady-eyed roast beef lay
  06/12/25
not flame, i thought of going to korea on a holiday right be...
comical judgmental bawdyhouse
  06/12/25
Thoughts and prayers
lime hairy legs
  06/12/25
I took an Air India flight in about 2018 but I'm OK
stimulating deep mother
  06/12/25
Don't let Koreans pilot your aircraft. At least Indians co-p...
aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut
  06/12/25
Saw an Infographic recently which said India has the highest...
wonderful chocolate tanning salon friendly grandma
  06/12/25
They're probably better than the men
aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut
  06/12/25
yep and they brag abt it, in airports they have signs braggi...
lascivious bipolar stage boiling water
  06/12/25
Almost certainly pilot error. The 787 is an exhaustively pr...
Crimson Volcanic Crater Really Tough Guy
  06/12/25
Oh fuck we convince India to buy those? These "people&q...
aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut
  06/12/25
yep its not like some of the guys at boeing who actually mad...
lascivious bipolar stage boiling water
  06/12/25
Bro on X said the flaps appeared to be set at 0 instead of 1...
vibrant native national security agency
  06/12/25
Doesn't necessarily mean it was pilot error but still, you k...
aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut
  06/12/25
this is just like the wright brothers at kitty hawk (right u...
carmine theater
  06/12/25
jfc some guy in comments claims it shows the pilots retract...
stimulating deep mother
  06/12/25
this other guy says the same thing https://x.com/PilotPoli/...
stimulating deep mother
  06/12/25
how is this not an automated part of the takeoff?
opaque beady-eyed roast beef lay
  06/12/25
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stimulating deep mother
  06/12/25
LOL stupid fuckin jeets let's import millions more!
stirring business firm skinny woman
  06/12/25
i don't see any birdshits. this looks like pilot error. the ...
wonderful chocolate tanning salon friendly grandma
  06/12/25
JFC, motherfucker stalled almost instantly
opaque beady-eyed roast beef lay
  06/12/25
Holy shit
Bronze Very Tactful Lodge
  06/12/25
how is this a "tragedy"?
stirring business firm skinny woman
  06/12/25
What is the exact cause of death in an accident like this? B...
Hateful Station
  06/12/25
blunt force trauma most likely... it was an instaneous massi...
shaky mischievous area
  06/12/25
There are often some survivors in crashes like this though, ...
Hateful Station
  06/12/25
TT your response to the death offirst officer Clive (son of ...
carmine theater
  06/12/25
pilot did the needful and kept these jeets out of western co...
lascivious bipolar stage boiling water
  06/12/25
He probably told the pilot what was happening, but the pilot...
aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut
  06/12/25
Guy from the prior flight claims nothing on the plane was wo...
curious costumed toaster karate
  06/12/25
thats all their planes though, why dont they crash. they act...
lascivious bipolar stage boiling water
  06/12/25
I can't believe Indians would struggle with airplane mainten...
aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut
  06/12/25
stupid clickbait
opaque beady-eyed roast beef lay
  06/12/25
Wow, that's insane. What a piece of shit airline these turds...
flickering apoplectic office kitty
  06/12/25
turns out jet fuel can melt jeets
razzle church
  06/12/25
Saar! Saar! Do not redeem the flaps Saar! Do not redeem s...
razzle church
  06/12/25
"Fuck you bloody" *conversation cuts off*
aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut
  06/12/25
new angle https://x.com/JeffWCarlton/status/1933176198122...
Amethyst masturbator
  06/12/25
🚨BREAKING🚨 Audio between the pilot of Air India flight...
garnet bateful weed whacker sweet tailpipe
  06/12/25
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wonderful chocolate tanning salon friendly grandma
  06/12/25
You can tell that's exactly what happened. Even maintenance ...
aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut
  06/12/25
I'm honestly not sure if this is a joke
Silver Field
  06/12/25
not flame my pilot instructor friend did nothing but drill t...
aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut
  06/12/25
The one where they crashed in the river because the copilot ...
Disgusting base
  06/12/25
That's a really weird one for sure. It's like taking the LSA...
aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut
  06/12/25
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stimulating deep mother
  06/12/25
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180 senate
  06/12/25
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Multi-colored Milky Chapel Jew
  06/13/25
One passenger managed to JUMP and survive this time. https:...
Adulterous shrine
  06/12/25
get that goy a moniker
green cracking orchestra pit
  06/12/25
ran here when I saw this, you see him on the ground just wal...
Gay Dragon Codepig
  06/13/25


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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:27 AM
Author: Slate Galvanic Pisswyrm

https://www.twitter.com/BabaHakim0/status/1933093467443298659

242 passengers; outbound to london from ahmedabad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007641)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:39 AM
Author: comical judgmental bawdyhouse

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007649)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:00 AM
Author: opaque beady-eyed roast beef lay

OP jokes but hints at a larger problem with accidents that happen in countries where saving face is more important that the truth, or saving lives, or any other trivial thing like that

India’s “investigation” of this crash will be an absolute farce, and in no way will any Indian be accused of anything. not the pilots, not the ATC, not the ground crews, no one

it’s those benchods from Boeing and their faulty plane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007676)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:08 AM
Author: comical judgmental bawdyhouse

120

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007680)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:55 AM
Author: startling provocative degenerate gas station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007712)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:23 PM
Author: clear filthpig

If captain allears had been on board it wouldnt have gone down like that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49009581)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:36 AM
Author: Slate Galvanic Pisswyrm

supposedly it crashed directly into a medical school while school was in session.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007701)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:38 AM
Author: garnet bateful weed whacker sweet tailpipe

*white people breathing ANOTHER sigh of relief*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007704)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:40 AM
Author: Titillating voyeur school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007707)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:55 AM
Author: startling provocative degenerate gas station

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007713)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:00 AM
Author: stimulating deep mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007773)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:33 AM
Author: opaque beady-eyed roast beef lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007819)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:34 AM
Author: out-of-control hell hunting ground



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007959)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:02 AM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Blathering Pistol



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008197)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:06 AM
Author: Multi-colored Milky Chapel Jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008220)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: Umber heady giraffe state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008224)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Salmon Insanely Creepy Step-uncle's House Fortuitous Meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008806)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:38 AM
Author: opaque beady-eyed roast beef lay

Jewish guy at the very back of the plane survived for a while and apparently was cogent enough to remark “is there a doctor on board?” before expiring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007705)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:57 AM
Author: comical judgmental bawdyhouse

not flame, i thought of going to korea on a holiday right before that jeju air crash.

i thought the same about a sojourn in maine right before that schizo killed 30 people

i guess in this instance it was TT holding the bag this time round, hopefully that implies he inherited my curse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007715)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 7:59 AM
Author: lime hairy legs

Thoughts and prayers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007771)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:00 AM
Author: stimulating deep mother

I took an Air India flight in about 2018 but I'm OK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007774)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:59 PM
Author: aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut

Don't let Koreans pilot your aircraft. At least Indians co-pilots will argue. Korean co-pilots just stay silent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008932)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:15 AM
Author: wonderful chocolate tanning salon friendly grandma

Saw an Infographic recently which said India has the highest number of female pilots. Something like 12%. ljl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007794)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:12 AM
Author: aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut

They're probably better than the men

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007906)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:06 AM
Author: lascivious bipolar stage boiling water

yep and they brag abt it, in airports they have signs bragging abt it, ljl pajeets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008216)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:19 AM
Author: Crimson Volcanic Crater Really Tough Guy

Almost certainly pilot error. The 787 is an exhaustively proven aircraft.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007922)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:20 AM
Author: aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut

Oh fuck we convince India to buy those? These "people" are amazing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49007923)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:05 AM
Author: lascivious bipolar stage boiling water

yep its not like some of the guys at boeing who actually made the plane warned that eventually these will fall out of the sky cause they are SHIT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008213)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:01 PM
Author: vibrant native national security agency

Bro on X said the flaps appeared to be set at 0 instead of 15 degrees, guaranteeing a crash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49009353)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:04 PM
Author: aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut

Doesn't necessarily mean it was pilot error but still, you know they were arguing in the cockpit on the way down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49009362)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:20 AM
Author: carmine theater

this is just like the wright brothers at kitty hawk (right until the end)

https://x.com/Vikasmakwana111/status/1933162059556159903

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008084)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:25 AM
Author: stimulating deep mother

jfc

some guy in comments claims it shows the pilots retracted flaps instead of landing gear

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008097)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:59 AM
Author: stimulating deep mother

this other guy says the same thing

https://x.com/PilotPoli/status/1933091986543886618

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008188)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:01 AM
Author: opaque beady-eyed roast beef lay

how is this not an automated part of the takeoff?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008193)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:04 AM
Author: stimulating deep mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008206)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:06 AM
Author: stirring business firm skinny woman

LOL stupid fuckin jeets

let's import millions more!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008218)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:32 AM
Author: wonderful chocolate tanning salon friendly grandma

i don't see any birdshits. this looks like pilot error. the plane looks too slow even on the takeoff roll.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008117)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:34 AM
Author: opaque beady-eyed roast beef lay

JFC, motherfucker stalled almost instantly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008122)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:22 PM
Author: Bronze Very Tactful Lodge

Holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49009575)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:03 AM
Author: stirring business firm skinny woman

how is this a "tragedy"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008203)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: Hateful Station

What is the exact cause of death in an accident like this? Blunt force trauma? Being ripped apart by the explosion? Burning alive? Smoke inhalation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008226)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: shaky mischievous area

blunt force trauma most likely... it was an instaneous massive explosion and the blast alone would definitely render you unconscious before being burned alive by jet fuel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008645)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Hateful Station

There are often some survivors in crashes like this though, which suggest many passengers probably survive the initial impact but probably succumb to fire or smoke inhalation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008867)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:50 AM
Author: carmine theater

TT your response to the death offirst officer Clive (son of Clifford) "Kunder" cousin to bollywood superstar "Vikrant" Massey?

https://www.indiatvnews.com/entertainment/news/air-india-plane-crash-who-was-clive-kunder-vikrant-massey-reacts-to-co-pilot-s-death-see-post-2025-06-12-994457

Maybe he used to fly for Loganair in scotland?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwyVWaCAD2A



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008343)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: lascivious bipolar stage boiling water

pilot did the needful and kept these jeets out of western countries, he deserves a medal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008677)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:56 PM
Author: aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut

He probably told the pilot what was happening, but the pilot ignored him because he comes from a lower caste.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008681)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:50 PM
Author: curious costumed toaster karate

Guy from the prior flight claims nothing on the plane was working: https://x.com/akku92/status/1933114664923148455

Jesus, it might turn out India's flag carrier actually ran a Dreamliner into the ground to the point it couldn't take off without crashing!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008665)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:57 PM
Author: lascivious bipolar stage boiling water

thats all their planes though, why dont they crash. they actually have a pretty good safety record, last major crash was like 10 years ago or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008686)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:58 PM
Author: aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut

I can't believe Indians would struggle with airplane maintenance after watching TT encounter a small diesel engine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008687)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:59 PM
Author: opaque beady-eyed roast beef lay

stupid clickbait

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008694)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:01 PM
Author: flickering apoplectic office kitty

Wow, that's insane. What a piece of shit airline these turds can't do anything right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008698)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:53 PM
Author: razzle church

turns out jet fuel can melt jeets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008672)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:54 PM
Author: razzle church

Saar! Saar! Do not redeem the flaps Saar! Do not redeem saar!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008676)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut

"Fuck you bloody" *conversation cuts off*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008804)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:33 PM
Author: Amethyst masturbator

new angle

https://x.com/JeffWCarlton/status/1933176198122639791

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008798)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: garnet bateful weed whacker sweet tailpipe

🚨BREAKING🚨 Audio between the pilot of Air India flight 171 and tower control was released.

https://x.com/TheOnlyDSC/status/1933173833214919023

heads will roll over this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008906)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:55 PM
Author: wonderful chocolate tanning salon friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008921)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:57 PM
Author: aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut

You can tell that's exactly what happened. Even maintenance crews fucked up, the pilot and co-pilot were arguing with each other the whole time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49008928)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:07 PM
Author: Silver Field

I'm honestly not sure if this is a joke

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49009367)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut

not flame my pilot instructor friend did nothing but drill this into the heads of foreign pilots: THERE'S NO HIERARCHY IN THE COCKPIT. He played black box recordings of fatal crashes where the co-pilot said nothing and made students listen to them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49009370)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:41 PM
Author: Disgusting base

The one where they crashed in the river because the copilot didn’t make a bigger deal about the fact that the snow machine / deicer wasn’t on still haunts me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Florida_Flight_90



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49009633)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:42 PM
Author: aquamarine hairraiser juggernaut

That's a really weird one for sure. It's like taking the LSAT and getting every question wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49009637)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:16 PM
Author: stimulating deep mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49009565)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 7:38 PM
Author: 180 senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49009820)



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Date: June 13th, 2025 1:53 AM
Author: Multi-colored Milky Chapel Jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49011130)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:44 PM
Author: Adulterous shrine

One passenger managed to JUMP and survive this time. https://www.reuters.com/world/india/survivor-air-india-crash-jumped-out-emergency-exit-police-say-2025-06-12/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2)#49009470)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:23 PM
Author: green cracking orchestra pit

get that goy a moniker

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Date: June 13th, 2025 1:28 AM
Author: Gay Dragon Codepig

ran here when I saw this, you see him on the ground just walking off? rip to all those souls but that man must feel fucking alive

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