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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
Salmon cocky indirect expression
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
adventurous sinister temple
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Crystalline flirting dragon quadroon
  06/15/18
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bearded marvelous school cafeteria toilet seat
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bearded marvelous school cafeteria toilet seat
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
Galvanic alcoholic office
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
Wonderful Insecure Foreskin Corner
  10/06/21
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Salmon cocky indirect expression
  02/12/22
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boner police?s buttondick
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Beta twisted field doctorate
  06/15/18
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bearded marvelous school cafeteria toilet seat
  06/15/18
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rambunctious haunting genital piercing
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Beta twisted field doctorate
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
bateful ruddy church building bbw
  06/15/18
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contagious demanding regret really tough guy
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
bearded marvelous school cafeteria toilet seat
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Painfully Honest Lilac Reading Party Hominid
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Startled Hissy Fit Digit Ratio
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
charismatic misunderstood volcanic crater
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Galvanic alcoholic office
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Beta twisted field doctorate
  06/15/18
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contagious demanding regret really tough guy
  06/15/18
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rambunctious haunting genital piercing
  06/15/18
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bearded marvelous school cafeteria toilet seat
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Crystalline flirting dragon quadroon
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rambunctious haunting genital piercing
  06/15/18
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charismatic misunderstood volcanic crater
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laughsome azn
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rambunctious haunting genital piercing
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laughsome azn
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
Salmon cocky indirect expression
  10/06/21
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Salmon cocky indirect expression
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
greedy mind-boggling center
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
Salmon cocky indirect expression
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
flushed juggernaut
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
Salmon cocky indirect expression
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
flushed juggernaut
  06/15/18
Explain
Salmon cocky indirect expression
  06/15/18
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Salmon cocky indirect expression
  06/16/18
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Salmon cocky indirect expression
  09/04/18
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laughsome azn
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
indigo talented round eye
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
lake splenetic shrine sound barrier
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Salmon cocky indirect expression
  02/12/21
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Fluffy bright orchestra pit blood rage
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rambunctious haunting genital piercing
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Salmon cocky indirect expression
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
canary church famous landscape painting
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
vigorous bossy theatre telephone
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
Salmon cocky indirect expression
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
multi-colored parlor multi-billionaire
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
Salmon cocky indirect expression
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
multi-colored parlor multi-billionaire
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
Salmon cocky indirect expression
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
Rusted goyim
  02/12/21
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Fluffy bright orchestra pit blood rage
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
canary church famous landscape painting
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Rusted goyim
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
insane onyx forum mexican
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Rusted goyim
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
insane onyx forum mexican
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
vigorous bossy theatre telephone
  02/12/21
lol no
bull headed know-it-all gunner
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
exhilarant brunch
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  06/29/21
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Salmon cocky indirect expression
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Maniacal Maize Wrinkle
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
appetizing unhinged whorehouse
  10/06/21
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Salmon cocky indirect expression
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: adventurous sinister temple

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Crystalline flirting dragon quadroon

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: bearded marvelous school cafeteria toilet seat



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: bearded marvelous school cafeteria toilet seat



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Galvanic alcoholic office

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Wonderful Insecure Foreskin Corner

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: boner police?s buttondick ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Beta twisted field doctorate

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: bearded marvelous school cafeteria toilet seat



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Beta twisted field doctorate

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: bateful ruddy church building bbw

goes a long way in shaker heights

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: contagious demanding regret really tough guy



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: bearded marvelous school cafeteria toilet seat

Cr. Thats city janitor money

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Lilac Reading Party Hominid

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Startled Hissy Fit Digit Ratio

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: charismatic misunderstood volcanic crater

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Galvanic alcoholic office

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Beta twisted field doctorate

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: contagious demanding regret really tough guy



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: rambunctious haunting genital piercing



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Aromatic affirmative action

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: bearded marvelous school cafeteria toilet seat



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Crystalline flirting dragon quadroon



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: rambunctious haunting genital piercing



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: rambunctious haunting genital piercing

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: charismatic misunderstood volcanic crater



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: laughsome azn



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: laughsome azn



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: greedy mind-boggling center

omg 260k where do they get off

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: flushed juggernaut

p depressing news going into the weekend

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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: flushed juggernaut

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression

Explain

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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: laughsome azn



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: indigo talented round eye

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: lake splenetic shrine sound barrier

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Fluffy bright orchestra pit blood rage



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: rambunctious haunting genital piercing



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: canary church famous landscape painting

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: vigorous bossy theatre telephone

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: multi-colored parlor multi-billionaire

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: multi-colored parlor multi-billionaire

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Rusted goyim

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Fluffy bright orchestra pit blood rage



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: canary church famous landscape painting

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Rusted goyim

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: insane onyx forum mexican

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Rusted goyim

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: insane onyx forum mexican

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: vigorous bossy theatre telephone

(Stevie Brogan)

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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: bull headed know-it-all gunner

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: exhilarant brunch

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Maniacal Maize Wrinkle



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: appetizing unhinged whorehouse

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: Salmon cocky indirect expression



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