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Getting absolutely slaughtered by literary agents again

New ms is a legal/crime thriller. Pablum but whatever, I wro...
milky temple
  10/15/20
how did this work out
dashing bespoke resort
  05/04/21
I can't imagine trying to get anything published these days....
Purple Liquid Oxygen
  05/04/21
...
exciting bearded set
  05/04/21
give self publish a shot?
aromatic tantric coffee pot
  05/04/21
It's borderline impossible to find an agent that doesn't loo...
Stirring haunted graveyard piazza
  05/04/21
makes sense, but how the hell did Turney Duff, Lefevre, etc ...
Purple Liquid Oxygen
  05/04/21
Sifting through agents, sending worthless cold queries and t...
Stirring haunted graveyard piazza
  05/04/21
Self publish. If its good, it will sell. Publishers are incr...
Curious queen of the night
  05/04/21
Seems TTT to self publish. Eventually i'll get drunk with th...
Stirring haunted graveyard piazza
  05/04/21
The guy who wrote the Skippy the Magnificent books self publ...
Curious queen of the night
  05/04/21
We'll see what unfolds.
Stirring haunted graveyard piazza
  05/04/21
lol
Ruddy boyish circlehead hissy fit
  05/04/21
Lol no you won't
translucent french chef native
  05/04/21
the agent's going to be drunk while reading the entire manus...
Ruddy boyish circlehead hissy fit
  05/04/21
a writer would
Saffron Address Nowag
  05/05/21
curious how this works? are there independent publishers tha...
Purple Liquid Oxygen
  05/04/21
There is a whole cottage industry of self help books that wa...
Curious queen of the night
  05/04/21
Your pitch: "Think American Psycho, but set at a Flying...
Odious indirect expression trust fund
  05/04/21
Would read
Stirring haunted graveyard piazza
  05/04/21
...
Abusive Toaster
  05/04/21
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seedy rehab degenerate
  05/04/21
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Comical maize senate
  05/05/21
sup pensive
Light den
  05/04/21
we should workshop a book on XO. we know how sjw think bette...
Purple Liquid Oxygen
  05/04/21
that would for sure make Oprah's book club. I'm not even jok...
aromatic tantric coffee pot
  05/04/21
she’s bored at the office, and after a gay pride parad...
seedy rehab degenerate
  05/04/21
*join the CIA to take down Putin
Opaque idea he suggested principal's office
  05/04/21
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Big Hospital
  05/04/21
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Walnut depressive mother
  05/04/21
so I was OP. I previously had a literary agent at one of ...
milky temple
  05/04/21
You obviously out yourself here, and then get Tucker to push...
impertinent lay dragon
  05/04/21
what were some examples of the thoughtful and detailed criti...
Light den
  05/04/21
it was clear they had read deep enough into the ms to get to...
milky temple
  05/04/21
that's cool. they sound like good doods
Light den
  05/04/21
the stigma of self-pub must be fading though? But to your po...
Purple Liquid Oxygen
  05/04/21
...
dashing bespoke resort
  05/04/21
funny, I also had an excel column with shorthand for variety...
milky temple
  05/04/21
If you actually believe in the book but have no social media...
Ocher locus tattoo
  05/05/21
seems like there's money to be made by some publisher promot...
Big Hospital
  05/04/21
There is no money in this. Like 70% of books sales are to wo...
Curious queen of the night
  05/04/21
This
titillating buck-toothed codepig
  05/04/21
true, but circular. Men dont vote democrat either, etc.
milky temple
  05/04/21
This is what needs fixing. I have always believed that this...
impertinent lay dragon
  05/04/21
what makes this an impossible dream is that you just need to...
milky temple
  05/04/21
The problem with your line of thinking is books still sell -...
Curious queen of the night
  05/04/21
True enough re audiobooks, but 1) that happened 15-20 years ...
impertinent lay dragon
  05/04/21
I blow a solid $250 on audiobooks a year. Nice to know I'm l...
Curious queen of the night
  05/04/21
American publishing isnt really looking for good stories wri...
Saffron Address Nowag
  05/04/21
MAYA'S VOICE Thanks for your letter. I would have cal...
seedy rehab degenerate
  05/04/21
I know a best-selling author who just started putting his sh...
Magical nursing home pistol
  05/04/21
Just transition to gay black man
irradiated startled fat ankles brunch
  05/04/21
not op but I did respond to this thread, returning now only ...
young Boasthard
  03/03/26
Might as well self publish rather than have them just sit on...
JJC (retired)
  03/03/26
self publishing is a total joke unless you have a pre-existi...
young Boasthard
  03/03/26
Of course it's a joke and barely anyone will read your books...
JJC (retired)
  03/03/26
pathetically, part of me hopes that for my sixth book I can ...
young Boasthard
  03/03/26
but see https://www.decentralizedfiction.com/ https://...
Consuela
  03/03/26
Post your best one to xo in chapters, and we'll give you fee...
Emotionally + Physically Abusive Ex-Husband
  03/03/26
Why not just self publish? Colleen Hoover maed it.
@grok, is this true?
  03/03/26


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Date: October 15th, 2020 3:00 PM
Author: milky temple

New ms is a legal/crime thriller. Pablum but whatever, I wrote it "commercial" because I actually want to sell it.

Doesnt explicitly deal with race/gender, except insofar as the characters have races and genders.

I did the usual diligence of identifying lit agents who specifically welcome queries for this genre and who indicate they are open to queries.

(As a side note, I cant imagine any other industries getting away with the lackadaisical timelines of publishing. Standard for agents to respond to queries [if at all] 8 weeks after submission. If they request a full-read, many will respond 5 months after that. If they want re-writes, a year will pass between initial query and submission to pub house.)

Anyway, despite my agent filtering Im still left with no one but completely repellent shitlibs. Ive read their twitter and blogs. Absolutely every one of them lists pronouns. One writes about transitioning her new "daughter". Nearly all use the hashtag #ourvoices to encourage non-white authors to submit. The books they promote are peak idpol, with non-white transexual protags. Even the least political are reflexively #girlboss and absolutely every single one voiced grief over RBG.

The rejections are streaming in, most formulaic, but many specifically critical of my writing BIPOC characters as a white author or failing to address the "root causes" of crime.

My writing may be utter shit, but I wouldn't know it because Im pretty sure they'd reject anyone from my demographics.

Sucks and Im tremendously discouraged. And best case realistic scenario is you get representation and published for a $20k advance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#41119040)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 2:24 PM
Author: dashing bespoke resort

how did this work out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42399862)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 2:39 PM
Author: Purple Liquid Oxygen

I can't imagine trying to get anything published these days. Literary agents are like the jaws of the sjw beast.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42399974)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:58 PM
Author: exciting bearded set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400449)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 2:48 PM
Author: aromatic tantric coffee pot

give self publish a shot?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400047)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 2:52 PM
Author: Stirring haunted graveyard piazza

It's borderline impossible to find an agent that doesn't look like *THE* most virulent type of purple haired, dying alone in Brooklyn with cats shitlib. Recently an agent passed stating in part (while clutching his pearls) "I don’t think readers/publishers have much appetite for this kind of full throated debauchery."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400068)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:08 PM
Author: Purple Liquid Oxygen

makes sense, but how the hell did Turney Duff, Lefevre, etc break through? seems like you'd spend more time searching for a normal agent than writing the fucking book smh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400156)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:11 PM
Author: Stirring haunted graveyard piazza

Sifting through agents, sending worthless cold queries and trying to look for connections to get to someone absolutely takes more time than writing the book. If you dig enough into any author bio who hasn't been doing it for 20+ years or who isn't some lib demographic combo cause celebre you almost always find they had a person with an in that made it happen.

For literary fiction at least, I think there's slightly more space to break in to genre fiction with cold queries.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400168)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:16 PM
Author: Curious queen of the night

Self publish. If its good, it will sell. Publishers are increasingly worthless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400202)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:17 PM
Author: Stirring haunted graveyard piazza

Seems TTT to self publish. Eventually i'll get drunk with the right person and find a way in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400212)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:19 PM
Author: Curious queen of the night

The guy who wrote the Skippy the Magnificent books self published and then sold like 20 million copies. Fuck chasing prestige. Every publisher dinged him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400221)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:20 PM
Author: Stirring haunted graveyard piazza

We'll see what unfolds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400232)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:19 PM
Author: Ruddy boyish circlehead hissy fit

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400224)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:44 PM
Author: translucent french chef native

Lol no you won't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400378)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:44 PM
Author: Ruddy boyish circlehead hissy fit

the agent's going to be drunk while reading the entire manuscript and all other parties/gatekeepers will be drunk the whole way through to publication

then a bunch of drunks will stumble into Barnes and Nobles across the country to buy the rag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400804)



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Date: May 5th, 2021 11:28 AM
Author: Saffron Address Nowag

a writer would

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42405411)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:19 PM
Author: Purple Liquid Oxygen

curious how this works? are there independent publishers that assist with this? Or is it just you starting a website to sell a pdf?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400225)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:20 PM
Author: Curious queen of the night

There is a whole cottage industry of self help books that walk you through getting an ISBN number and getting your shit on Amazon. Its not like the publishing houses are really going to spend mega bucks marketing your first book anyway so its not beyond the average person's ability to do the whole thing themselves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400231)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Odious indirect expression trust fund

Your pitch: "Think American Psycho, but set at a Flying J."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400242)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:23 PM
Author: Stirring haunted graveyard piazza

Would read

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400254)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:26 PM
Author: Abusive Toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400268)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:37 PM
Author: seedy rehab degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400333)



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Date: May 5th, 2021 1:39 AM
Author: Comical maize senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42403855)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:20 PM
Author: Light den

sup pensive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400229)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Purple Liquid Oxygen

we should workshop a book on XO. we know how sjw think better than they do. we'll start with a black, lesbian, transvestite, immigrant, protagonist who pulls her wheelchair into her new york office job where she will battle the patriarchy using her genius intellect and sass!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400273)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:33 PM
Author: aromatic tantric coffee pot

that would for sure make Oprah's book club. I'm not even joking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400305)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:38 PM
Author: seedy rehab degenerate

she’s bored at the office, and after a gay pride parade in Belgrade is broken up by the police with 4 arrests, she decides she needs to join the Navy SEALs to fight for LGBT rights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400342)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 5:07 PM
Author: Opaque idea he suggested principal's office

*join the CIA to take down Putin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400934)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:04 PM
Author: Big Hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400490)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:33 PM
Author: Walnut depressive mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400307)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 3:57 PM
Author: milky temple

so I was OP.

I previously had a literary agent at one of the big three houses in NY. Long story, he never sold anything of mine, but Im technically under contract so I submitted to him first.

Didnt like it, though it took him 8 weeks to say so. Fair enough, the previous book he liked was nothing like this one, which admittedly is pulpy, crimey, and squalid.

After that, as described above, I made a spreadsheet of ~80 agents. Always look for the male on the agency website, even if theyre gay. I was searching, in this case, for "thriller" "crime" etc.

Follow each agent's particular rules for queries, which is a PITA.

From the ~80, I ultimately received ~30 rejections, the rest radio silence. Of the rejections I got two that were thoughtful and detailed.

So the "book" sits on my hard drive.

Like RSF I always looked down on self-pub. Now I would be more interested, except for the fact that self-pubbing seems to rely entirely on social media presence. I have no social media.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400447)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:10 PM
Author: impertinent lay dragon

You obviously out yourself here, and then get Tucker to push your book as a way to stick it to the libs. YWIA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400530)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:14 PM
Author: Light den

what were some examples of the thoughtful and detailed critique? seems like those guys are cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400556)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:16 PM
Author: milky temple

it was clear they had read deep enough into the ms to get to various "twists". they thought it was too bleak, too grimy, too squalid, etc. they argued women are primary audience for crime and murder stories and so the female characters need to be more likable.

right or wrong, they had valid reasons for not wanting to invest their time, so I was grateful they took the time to explain why

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400572)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 5:50 PM
Author: Light den

that's cool. they sound like good doods

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42401182)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:16 PM
Author: Purple Liquid Oxygen

the stigma of self-pub must be fading though? But to your point its probably only the "look-at-me" youtube or reality star types that actually push sales.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400575)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:55 PM
Author: dashing bespoke resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400872)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 5:27 PM
Author: milky temple

funny, I also had an excel column with shorthand for variety of lib. As I wrote, I *always* went with whatever male agent they had, no matter how lib or gay.

Ive learned a lot over the various attempts, but never enough to crack the nut. One big thing Ive found, which takes a ton of homework, is to find a similar book that particular agent has sold and mention how much you love it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42401055)



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Date: May 5th, 2021 1:36 AM
Author: Ocher locus tattoo

If you actually believe in the book but have no social media to effectively advertise then you could always spend like $5-10k on Google AdWords and see what happens

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42403846)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:04 PM
Author: Big Hospital

seems like there's money to be made by some publisher promoting "right-wing" work or work thats just not total shitlib. A lot of people go unrepresented in book and tv. not sure why no one has got on that. seems at odds with capatalism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400486)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:08 PM
Author: Curious queen of the night

There is no money in this. Like 70% of books sales are to women. Men do not read books in America. If you arent targeting chicks or young adult there is no money in it with very limited exception. The women who do read are leftist soccer moms. That's why everything is SJW or bust in this industry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400518)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:10 PM
Author: titillating buck-toothed codepig

This

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400529)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:11 PM
Author: milky temple

true, but circular. Men dont vote democrat either, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400535)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:15 PM
Author: impertinent lay dragon

This is what needs fixing. I have always believed that this is directly correlated with the fact that the men most likely to read books now have jobs where they are expected to be available at all waking hours and some non-waking ones. That's not the only reason (LOL at the thought of me reading a book while my wife makes dinner or does laundry), but it's the most important one.

The strategy to combat this is for writers to go find readers where they are and engage them enough to get them to buy the book. That's why it only makes sense to self-publish if you're connected into the online worlds of these kinds of people you want to access and can figure out how to grab their attention.

The market failure in publishing is the same as in music. People stopped paying for books when 1) they became easy to steal and 2) they got lots of other sources of entertainment instantly available for free when the internet came along. LOL at the kinds of people who want to be literary agents in the current version of the publishing industry being remotely capable of figuring out how to respond to that set of circumstances.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400562)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:17 PM
Author: milky temple

what makes this an impossible dream is that you just need to first accumulate 20k twitter followers.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400586)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:21 PM
Author: Curious queen of the night

The problem with your line of thinking is books still sell -- as Audible audio books. Pirating audio books is a PITA and most people just buy them. That's where the sales and the profits now are. Audio book sales are at insane historic highs and most of the sales are to women. Women have a higher level of educational attainment in Yankeestan than men. The average dude is a blue collar and not reading shit. The average bitch has more college than her man. That's really what it is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400606)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:35 PM
Author: impertinent lay dragon

True enough re audiobooks, but 1) that happened 15-20 years later after an entire generation of readers were lost and the industry was already decimated, meanwhile publishers decided to try to form the most clumsy price-fixing ring ever to get back at Amazon and were easily caught bc they are boomer retards. 2) this doesn't track with the closest cousin form of media, which is podcasts:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188967/distribution-of-us-podcast-consumers-by-gender/

I still think you go to where dudes are, encourage the communities of users to adopt audiobooks as a format in the first place (likely should also get better deals with Spotify, Apple, Sticher, etc.) and then push your marketing into those same spaces to sell books. Bottom line is that Agents as a business model don't make sense when distribution is no longer gated by access to one of a handful of publishing houses. Specifically it makes no sense to try to recreate the agency model to address this problem of dudes not reading.

EDIT TO ADD: Also Audiobooks did 1.2B in sales last year in the U.S. It's a recovery from how bad things were ten years ago but it's still laughably SPS and it has to do with the fact that 95+% of the people in the publishing industry fundamentally hate and fear all forms of digital technology.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400727)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:59 PM
Author: Curious queen of the night

I blow a solid $250 on audiobooks a year. Nice to know I'm like one-five millionth of the entire industry just by myself. People are uncultured savages....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400896)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 4:19 PM
Author: Saffron Address Nowag

American publishing isnt really looking for good stories written by white men. sorry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400593)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 5:02 PM
Author: seedy rehab degenerate

MAYA'S VOICE

Thanks for your letter. I would have

called you sooner, but I think I've

needed some time to think about

everything that happened and what

you wrote to me. Another reason I

didn't call sooner is that I wanted

to finish your book, which I finally

did last night.

I think it's really lovely, Miles.

You're so good with words. Who cares

if it's not getting published? There

are so many beautiful and painful

things about it. Did you really go

through all that? It must have been

awfully hard. And the sister character --

Jesus, what a wreck. But I have to

say I was really confused by the

ending. Did the father finally commit

suicide, or what? It's driving me

crazy. And the title.

Anyway, it's turned cold and rainy

here lately. But I like winter. So

listen, if you ever do decide to

come up here again, you should let

me know. I would say stop by the

Hitching Post, but to tell you the

truth I'm not sure how much longer

I'm going to be working there. I'm

going to graduate soon so I'll

probably relocate. We'll see.

Anyway, like I said, I really loved

your novel. Don't give up, Miles.

Keep writing. You're really good.

Hope you're well. Bye.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400908)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 5:14 PM
Author: Magical nursing home pistol

I know a best-selling author who just started putting his shit out on live journal and gained a following.

Dealing with shitlib gynocentric publishers is a fools errand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400966)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 5:15 PM
Author: irradiated startled fat ankles brunch

Just transition to gay black man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#42400972)



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Date: March 3rd, 2026 8:02 PM
Author: young Boasthard

not op but I did respond to this thread, returning now only so people can bash/laugh at/mock/defame me: I had written one book since this thread was posted and had queried it unsuccessfully. since then, I wrote FOUR more and queried each of them unsuccessfully. I now have literally hundreds of rejections across five different books and am totally ready to give up

I wish I never wasted so much time on this. growing up as a book kid I never knew how bad the world was; 80% of agents and editors are women, a majority of agents are obviously only looking for women/BIPOC writers, and a substantial minority explicitly discriminate against white guys. this would be hilarious if it weren't so sad and hopeless. the only people getting signed are marginalized types writing books about their marginalization (along with porn/smut). I am not even in literary/upmarket (most of my stuff is speculative with occasional YA appeal), but even in what most would consider slop genres like sci fi and fantasy, the only debuts are marginalized people (what I would give to be so marginal...) and people with big pre-existing followings (attractive women on TikTok)

I am only posting this now as a warning to others; DO NOT waste your time writing books if your aim is to share them with others. do literally anything else productive with your life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#49713047)



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Date: March 3rd, 2026 8:03 PM
Author: JJC (retired)

Might as well self publish rather than have them just sit on your comp, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#49713050)



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Date: March 3rd, 2026 8:07 PM
Author: young Boasthard

self publishing is a total joke unless you have a pre-existing following or tens of thousands to throw at marketing (ad buying). outside of that, it can work for romance authors on kindle and no one else. there is just too much being published by the minute, and AI has made it a lot worse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#49713061)



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Date: March 3rd, 2026 8:08 PM
Author: JJC (retired)

Of course it's a joke and barely anyone will read your books. But better than having literally no one ever having a chance of reading, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#49713064)



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Date: March 3rd, 2026 8:18 PM
Author: young Boasthard

pathetically, part of me hopes that for my sixth book I can get a literary agent and book deal, and I don't want to "waste" my backlog on self-publishing (once you do that, publishing houses won't consider them). I just have to write the right book. yes I deserve abuse for this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#49713090)



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Date: March 3rd, 2026 8:11 PM
Author: Consuela

but see

https://www.decentralizedfiction.com/

https://www.amazon.com/INCEL-Novel-ARX-Han/dp/B0CJLCZVCG

small but decent self-published result

AI slop has made it much worse, yes

have you considered trolling - create the most awful LGBTQZFAG bipoc material possible, make it 80 IQ, throw some shit on it, write it under a brown tranny pseudonym, and get published that way?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#49713076)



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Date: March 3rd, 2026 8:06 PM
Author: Emotionally + Physically Abusive Ex-Husband (oppose bitchbois)

Post your best one to xo in chapters, and we'll give you feedback. Could be a historic thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#49713054)



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Date: March 3rd, 2026 8:15 PM
Author: @grok, is this true?

Why not just self publish? Colleen Hoover maed it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652097&forum_id=2)#49713084)