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Dark Forest theory is most compelling answer to Fermi paradox
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Date: December 31st, 2023 6:56 AM Author: cerise demanding theater famous landscape painting No way to prove it’s correct or not, but the logic is sound and it’s more plausible than “galactic zoo” or prime directive or similar explanations. Plus, it already has people on earth talking about reducing our radio profile and not trying to initiate a first contact - presumably other civilizations reached the same conclusions not far into their existence. It’s sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5468201&forum_id=2)#47232690) |
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Date: December 31st, 2023 9:06 AM Author: mind-boggling hospital useless brakes That book is 180^180 |
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Date: December 31st, 2023 9:12 AM Author: Hyperventilating theater stage what's so great about that book and the series?
tried to read the three body problem, but it bot boring when they kept going into the weird red planet VR. nothing was happening. |
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Date: December 31st, 2023 11:41 AM Author: bossy self-absorbed multi-billionaire space The fist book was good because it had a mystery element - the later books were not nearly as good and they just played it out to it's logical conclusion - super tiny universe mass suicide.
It's tough to keep people interested when the time scopes are thousands of year |
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Date: January 1st, 2024 8:43 AM Author: cerise demanding theater famous landscape painting It took me awhile to get into the first book, but I think that was partly due to it being a translated work and having to get used to the names and cultural references. The weird VR world sequences are a slow burn and in retrospect an incredibly cool and haunting way to set up the main conflict. I’m not trying to be too vague here, just don’t want to spoil if you go back to it.
The second book (dark forest) is brilliant though. I don’t want to say much to avoid spoiling it for you , but about 2/3 the way through the second book there’s an encounter that is one of the most stunning things I’ve ever read.
SPOILER STOP READING (I’m talking about the sequence where overconfident humanity discovers the teardrops and the immediate aftermath)
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Date: January 1st, 2024 8:49 AM Author: Ultramarine toaster It’s a 180 scene. Great series. Hard sci-fi done right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5468201&forum_id=2)#47235839) |
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Date: January 1st, 2024 8:50 AM Author: Bright karate the names were very difficult. i had to constantly refer to the front of the book where it had the list of names and their role while reading it. i bought the second and third books years ago but haven't read them because of the name thing. i will read it since you said it's brilliant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5468201&forum_id=2)#47235840) |
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Date: January 1st, 2024 8:54 AM Author: Ultramarine toaster They are each better than the first book. The names are annoying but most of the characters aren’t too important. They are just vehicles for moving the compelling main story along. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5468201&forum_id=2)#47235847) |
Date: December 31st, 2023 7:08 AM Author: avocado cerebral cuckoldry travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5468201&forum_id=2)#47232698) |
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Date: December 31st, 2023 9:12 AM Author: Very tactful piazza legend Why would a more advanced civilization want to destroy us? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5468201&forum_id=2)#47232808) |
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Date: January 1st, 2024 8:52 AM Author: Milky free-loading hunting ground brethren They just want to talk to the United States government. Never any other country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5468201&forum_id=2)#47235842) |
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Date: January 1st, 2024 8:53 AM Author: cerise demanding theater famous landscape painting As articulated by the novels: Survival is the imperative of all life While the universe is infinite, the matter in the universe is finite Also consider: chains of suspicion and technological explosion
What the theory postulates is that the distances in space, the vast timescales involved in communication and travel, and the ability of a civilization to rapidly develop technology make everyone deeply suspicious of each other. Not that different from IRL international relations if you took away the ability to communicate
So, if Civilization A detects Civilization B in a system 5 light years away, A has to consider the consequences of B continuing to exist. If A can see B , presumably B can see A. A doesn’t know if B is aggressive or not. If A does nothing and B is aggressive, then B might be able to wipe out A in a first strike, so A should launch first . If B is not aggressive, but discovers A, B might fear that A is aggressive and for its own survival wipe out A, which means that A should preemptively wipe out B. If B discovers A and B is not aggressive , and B doesn’t think A is an aggressive state, B might still consider that A thinks B thinks A is aggressive and will launch a preemptive strike, which means that B should launch its own preemptive strike, so to be safe A should launch its own preemptive strike. And so on.
Basically the issue is there is no practical way to assure other civilizations of your benign intent, and the time it takes for messages to travel will be so long that by the time a message goes out and comes back, the sender may have experienced centuries of technological development in the interim and become far more dangerous than when the message was sent. Also, it only takes one Uber powerful civilization thinking along these lines to make preemptive destruction the only rational choice for everyone involved.
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Date: January 1st, 2024 10:40 AM Author: Very tactful piazza legend That's real retarded. Maybe it makes for a good book idk but applying game theory drivel to the universe is not logical.
Should I murder you because resources on earth are finite?
If I come across an ant colony building things the only question from a survival standpoint is whether the resources they are using are more valuable with or without the ants. I don't worry about the ants evolving and killing me for my resources. I can snuff them out at any time, but if they are rare I probably keep them around to study or just for novelty. |
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Date: January 1st, 2024 3:59 PM Author: cerise demanding theater famous landscape painting You probably would murder me if we couldn’t communicate and there was no social framework to provide consequences for murder. That is the history of humanity. The only things that have stopped it have been the ability to communicate and build trust/verify what the other side is doing.
You would murder the ant hill if it was possible that, the next time you looked at the ants, they had invented a gun and pointed it at your head
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Date: December 31st, 2023 11:46 AM Author: kink-friendly zippy masturbator The answer is libs. Don’t overthink it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5468201&forum_id=2)#47233112) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:29 PM Author: Lascivious lemon goal in life
we are looking around like "where's the evidence". nigga we ARE the evidence |