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Have you ever actually read Claude Shannon's 1948 paper which built the internet

here you go: https://people.math.harvard.edu/~ctm/home/te...
Passionate point
  04/08/25
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know-it-all ratface
  04/08/25
gotta be honest; i'm not done reading this yet. in fact, i ...
Passionate point
  04/18/25
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Big bawdyhouse coldplay fan
  04/22/25
ty i'm just starting let's do the book club talk next week
Insecure awkward library
  04/22/25
i'm still committed to doing this btw. i got massively side...
Passionate point
  10/27/25
would love to read and discuss this with you friend but they...
titillating nubile principal's office antidepressant drug
  10/27/25
i don't think we're going to focus on specific equations as ...
Passionate point
  10/27/25
or how does marconi work? The telephone? How was the first m...
crawly stirring theater stage alpha
  10/27/25
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azure cuck whorehouse
  11/11/25
my body is getting ready for this. i literally haven't read...
Passionate point
  12/29/25
Of course. Multiple times, in fact.
Arousing electric furnace hell
  12/29/25
okay now wait until i actually read this stuff and then we c...
Passionate point
  12/29/25
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Arousing electric furnace hell
  12/29/25
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Insecure awkward library
  12/29/25
this is an extremely good paper so far. i'm not ready to di...
Passionate point
  01/17/26
a few more preliminary concepts which will be important here...
Passionate point
  01/19/26
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Honey-headed telephone masturbator
  02/02/26
i've read the whole thing, i've done some collateral reading...
Passionate point
  04/11/26
i thought al gore invented the internet
Lilac swashbuckling stage
  04/11/26
Only the series of interconnecting tubes
Arousing electric furnace hell
  04/11/26
don't worry; i haven't forgotten this. i'll be delivering s...
,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,.
  06/22/26
Strasserites rise up
getulio
  06/22/26


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Date: April 8th, 2025 9:03 PM
Author: Passionate point

here you go:

https://people.math.harvard.edu/~ctm/home/text/others/shannon/entropy/entropy.pdf

let's all read this and have a confab kind of thing next week. we never really talk about information theory on here; time to change that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#48829263)



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Date: April 8th, 2025 10:05 PM
Author: know-it-all ratface



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Date: April 18th, 2025 11:35 PM
Author: Passionate point

gotta be honest; i'm not done reading this yet. in fact, i have barely started. i am unilaterally postponing our colloquium to may 2nd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#48862023)



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Date: April 22nd, 2025 8:53 AM
Author: Big bawdyhouse coldplay fan



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Date: April 22nd, 2025 8:53 AM
Author: Insecure awkward library

ty i'm just starting let's do the book club talk next week

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#48870131)



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Date: October 27th, 2025 4:16 AM
Author: Passionate point

i'm still committed to doing this btw. i got massively sidetracked by a whole lot of tracks. preliminarily, let's do this in january or so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49377980)



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Date: October 27th, 2025 4:20 AM
Author: titillating nubile principal's office antidepressant drug

would love to read and discuss this with you friend but they nuked my soul and now i'm retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49377982)



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Date: October 27th, 2025 4:39 AM
Author: Passionate point

i don't think we're going to focus on specific equations as much as more general ideas.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49377984)



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Date: October 27th, 2025 5:09 AM
Author: crawly stirring theater stage alpha

or how does marconi work? The telephone? How was the first machine-production factory built without preexisting machines?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49378005)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: azure cuck whorehouse



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Date: December 29th, 2025 8:55 AM
Author: Passionate point

my body is getting ready for this. i literally haven't read the paper yet, but i feel like it's almost time to swallow it down in one gulp like fish TP's christmas carp.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49546731)



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Date: December 29th, 2025 8:56 AM
Author: Arousing electric furnace hell

Of course. Multiple times, in fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49546732)



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Date: December 29th, 2025 9:16 AM
Author: Passionate point

okay now wait until i actually read this stuff and then we can have some kind of discourse. estimated time maybe 15 days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49546750)



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Date: December 29th, 2025 7:11 PM
Author: Arousing electric furnace hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49548152)



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Date: December 29th, 2025 6:18 PM
Author: Insecure awkward library



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Date: January 17th, 2026 8:13 AM
Author: Passionate point

this is an extremely good paper so far. i'm not ready to discuss the whole thing yet, but i'm into it a bit, and i should lay down some very preliminary ideas to begin to ground this whole thing for non-experts.

shannon's job here is to formalize the problem of communication. not some sort of habermas generality about psycho-emotive human communication, but the actual components of a 'message' in theory. what does it even mean to 'communicate' anything at all?

shannon's approach is to decompose 'message' into its barest constituent units, which he cites other theorists before himself as describing in terms of 'bits.' for example, when he talks about television transmissions, he describes them in terms of XY grid coordinates (the individual dots appearing on a screen) at any given moment, and then each coordinate has a motion in terms of time.

there is a unit of time in which each XY coordinate shifts value. in his era, it would have been the standard refresh rate in terms of hertz, which was the rate at which a cathode ray tube could scan a particular field. or around 30 frames per second.

in this type of 'message,' we now have a specific set of data (dots per image and image per unit of time) which must now be transmitted between a sender and a receiver. this data can be described in terms of bits to express the overall size of the transmission. easy enough, no?

NO!

because we have INTERFERENCE. interference is any sort of additional data contributed to the set of data which defines our original message. interference can come from any source (weather, hackers, animals chewing through wires, etc.). in terms of our analog TV example, interference visually represents as STATIC. static is the shit we don't want.

shannon's task from this point forward is to establish methods by which to deal with interference, and to reconstruct - as best he can - the original and purest form of the 'message' prior to its transmission.

to be continued, probably.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49596052)



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Date: January 19th, 2026 12:02 AM
Author: Passionate point

a few more preliminary concepts which will be important here:

-logarithms: if you forgot math, the log is basically the inverse of doing an exponent. logs are important in information theory, because we will be dealing with problems like the rates at which possible symbol values increase over a unit of time, which often end up as log functions.

-the concept of a CHANNEL via which symbols/messages are transmitted. the channel is the vector by which our transmission factors are limited and often defined. shannon formalizes the channel in various ways; it is not a vague term for him.

-the markov/markoff chain and stochastic processes. the upshot here is that symbols within systems such as latin letters or TV pixel values are not usually random. they can be calculated in terms of probabilities (letter frequency, for example) and in terms of what has come prior (which also applies to words and larger units rather than just individual symbols).

-'states' as an abstraction for more particular entities such as letters or telegraphy dots/dashes. shannon is trying to move these things into a more abstracted form. if you shift from letter A to letter B, a formalized description would be that you have moved from a system state 1 (in this case, A) to a system state 2. as noted above, the probability of a particular state-shift is one of the major problems under consideration, because this is not going to be random if a coherent message is being transmitted rather than pure noise or static.

-ergodicity. a simple example would be something like letter frequencies in english words. if you start sending coherent english text, you would be expected to arrive at the same letter frequency over time as someone else doing the same thing, even though your texts are unrelated in terms of content. this is because english in this case is an ergodic system with specific frequency properties.

all of this will be significant as the paper moves along.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49600223)



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Date: February 2nd, 2026 9:09 AM
Author: Honey-headed telephone masturbator



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Date: April 11th, 2026 8:16 AM
Author: Passionate point

i've read the whole thing, i've done some collateral readings, and i'm definitely going to come back around to this. just you wait. it's going to happen. hold on for a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49810149)



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Date: April 11th, 2026 8:19 AM
Author: Lilac swashbuckling stage

i thought al gore invented the internet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49810152)



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Date: April 11th, 2026 8:46 AM
Author: Arousing electric furnace hell

Only the series of interconnecting tubes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49810165)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: ,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,.


don't worry; i haven't forgotten this. i'll be delivering some HOT TAKES on the rest of the paper before long, or at least before what *I* consider to be particularly long. it'll be interesting and fun. don't even worry about it. this thing is in the bag, mostly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49955038)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 8:37 AM
Author: getulio

Strasserites rise up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2)#49955045)